Drinking While Jumpseating in Cabin

[Flying Horses]

What are people's opinion on whether or not it is OK to drink alcohol while sitting as a passsenger in "civilian clothes" in the cabin, but using jumpseat priviliges to get that seat. For example, on United, you have to pay a hefty yield fare for a First Class seat to, say, Europe. If you pay this fare, you can, of course, drink. But to avoid paying this, you can just list as an OMC and get the same seat. Can you drink then?

Also, what about when you fly on a carrier you have no travel benefits with? You would just jumpseat and would get issued a seat in the cabin, because you cannot sit in the cockpit anyway when jumpseating internationally on another carrier. In this situation, would you never be able to drink flying on another airline?

My current opinion is no, you cannot drink alcohol, since when you are "jumpseating," you are technically an additional crewmember. However, so many people I talk to say they drink, since they are just sitting in the cabin anyway and would not ever be in the cockpit.

So, what are your thoughts?

 

[N1atEcon]

I personally wouldn't because technically your are a crew member.
There are a million worst case senarios you could think up that could cause you trouble with the Feds and in todays litigious society. Would they ever happen? Probably not. I just don't need that stress in my life for a few drinks.

 

[accinelli]

Drink if you must. Just don't go overboard with it.

 

[northstar]

What are people's opinion on whether or not it is OK to drink alcohol while sitting as a passsenger in "civilian clothes" in the cabin, but using jumpseat priviliges to get that seat. For example, on United, you have to pay a hefty yield fare for a First Class seat to, say, Europe. If you pay this fare, you can, of course, drink. But to avoid paying this, you can just list as an OMC and get the same seat. Can you drink then?

Also, what about when you fly on a carrier you have no travel benefits with? You would just jumpseat and would get issued a seat in the cabin, because you cannot sit in the cockpit anyway when jumpseating internationally on another carrier. In this situation, would you never be able to drink flying on another airline?

My current opinion is no, you cannot drink alcohol, since when you are "jumpseating," you are technically an additional crewmember. However, so many people I talk to say they drink, since they are just sitting in the cabin anyway and would not ever be in the cockpit.

So, what are your thoughts?

...do you work for an airline? Is this a joke? If you are signed up for jumpseat whether front or back... alcohol is a big NO NO. Am I missing something here?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

If you have to ask, then that should answer your question. Professionals don't need to be policed.

Finally, the jumpseat is a must benefit for commuters to take care of their families. Don't screw it up for all of us just cause you can't wait four hours for a beer or shot.

 

[Ty Webb]

If you are non-rev traveling and out of uniform - Woo-Hoo! Drink up, Shriner!!

If you are riding as a result of a jumpseat agreement- different story. That would be a negatory on the libations, copy, copy? . . .


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[Going2Baja]

Go ahead and drink up if you'd like to help the junior guys at your carrier move up. You must be insane asking such a question. I wouldn't even think of it on my own airlines or if the Captain or Lead FA offered it up. This could be one way to flush your short career down the toilet.

Pay the $$ and enjoy the 1st class wine and top shelf booze!!

Good luck!

Baja.

 

[dojetdriver]

See Dick fly a grueling 4 day trip with lots of long days, short overnights, and long sits.

See Dick block in early and think he can make the earlier flight home.

See Dick run across the airport, get the JS form and go down the jetway.

See Dick get on the flight and think to himself, gee, I need a beer after this trip.

See the FA go to the cockpit and chat with the CA when giving them their their meals.

See the CA ask the FA, "how is our JS'er doing? He was happy to get on the flight"

See the FA tell the CA, "he's fine, he's relaxing with a beer"

See the CA call his JS coordinater, who intern calls YOUR JS coordinator and makes life hard for you (Dick) and the pilots YOU represent.

Don't be a Dick and screw it up for the rest of us who are grateful for the priveledge and the ability make our QOL better because of it.

 

[aussiefly]

Jumpseating = additional crewmember. Therefore no drinky drinky under any circumstances. NON-Rev is completely different.

See Dick fly a grueling 4 day trip with lots of long days, short overnights, and long sits.

See Dick block in early and think he can make the earlier flight home.

See Dick run across the airport, get the JS form and go down the jetway.

See Dick get on the flight and think to himself, gee, I need a beer after this trip.

See the FA go to the cockpit and chat with the CA when giving them their their meals.

See the CA ask the FA, "how is our JS'er doing? He was happy to get on the flight"

See the FA tell the CA, "he's fine, he's relaxing with a beer"

See the CA call his JS coordinater, who intern calls YOUR JS coordinator and makes life hard for you (Dick) and the pilots YOU represent.

Don't be a Dick and screw it up for the rest of us who are grateful for the priveledge and the ability make our QOL better because of it.

This is classic and should be stickied

lol
cheers mate

 

[BYM]

The TWA manual specifically addressed this issue. After the door was closed, and the jumpseater was seated in the cabin, he/she could imbibe freely. They could not return to the flight deck, however, for the rest of the flight. It was this way right up until the end. No big deal.

 

[vetrider]

Even if I'm in civies on a full fare paid ticket I won't drink on an airplane. Keep it simple, why open yourself up to potential problems.

 

[propjob27]

The TWA manual specifically addressed this issue. After the door was closed, and the jumpseater was seated in the cabin, he/she could imbibe freely. They could not return to the flight deck, however, for the rest of the flight. It was this way right up until the end. No big deal.

Now that's my kind of FOM.

 

[STL717]

That was my airline!

Many great memories.

 

[CA1900]

Indeed, I guess it depends on the airline. Riding on somebody else's airline as a jumpseater (including your codeshare partner), absolutely don't drink. On your own airline, don't do it unless there's a specific exemption as in the example above.

My previous commuter airline fired a guy who got loud and obnoxious after having a couple drinks as a jumpseater on their mainline partner. As a jumpseater, you're normally considered as an additional crewmember. Make your decisions in that context.

 

[Fox-Tree]

Even if I'm in civies on a full fare paid ticket I won't drink on an airplane. Keep it simple, why open yourself up to potential problems.

WTF??
I guess a man's got to know his own limitations. Can I have your drinks then?

Do what you want, vetrider, by all means. If you're a paying customer and you want to have a cocktail, what's the problem?
I totally agree with not drinking if you have the seat as a result of a jumpseat agreement.

 

[jehtplane]

I personally wouldn't because technically your are a crew member.
There are a million worst case senarios you could think up that could cause you trouble with the Feds and in todays litigious society. Would they ever happen? Probably not. I just don't need that stress in my life for a few drinks.

You are considered an additional crew member if you are actually sitting in the cockpit.

 

[Ganja60Heavy]

Drink away....but if both pilots eat the fish and are taken ill, and the stewardess asks "are there any pilots on board?", and you are talked through the landing by a guy in the control tower and are a hero, the FAA is gonna ding you for reckless operation, and CNN will harp on the drunk pilot story for 3 weeks...

....another 'Jack, please!

 

[Ty Webb]

Cripes! Hide the liquor!

Even if I'm in civies on a full fare paid ticket I won't drink on an airplane. Keep it simple, why open yourself up to potential problems.

We're talking a couple of drinks, not breaking out the beer bong and doing flaming shots . . . Man, you must not hold your liquor very well!

"I won't even drink, unless I'm in my own house, in a padded room, wearing a straitjacket, a shock collar, attended to by a physician, and with 7 days of vacation ahead . . . . ".


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[StaySeated]

On more than one occasion I have had the Captain specifically state that I should have a beer on the way home. I proceeded directly to the galley, snagged the entire liquor kit, gleefullly skipped down the aisle to my seat, unclipped my clip on tie and went to town. :beer:

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Drink away....but if both pilots eat the fish and are taken ill, and the stewardess asks "are there any pilots on board?", and you are talked through the landing by a guy in the control tower and are a hero, the FAA is gonna ding you for reckless operation, and CNN will harp on the drunk pilot story for 3 weeks...

....another 'Jack, please!

Brings a new meaning to "Hey ya'll.. hold my beer. Ok, now watch this!"


Not only are you not exempt from the drinking policies on board the planes, many companies also hold you to the FAR's for crewmembers as far as bottle to throttle. It's in the little tiny print on the back of the forms in most cases.


Besides- why pay 5 bucks for a beer on a plane when you can drive by meijer or whatever on the way home and grab a 12 pack for 9 bucks. That's how the night begins!

 

[BYM]

Who said anything about paying for it? Kids.

 

[vetrider]

WTF??
I guess a man's got to know his own limitations. Can I have your drinks then?

Do what you want, vetrider, by all means. If you're a paying customer and you want to have a cocktail, what's the problem?
I totally agree with not drinking if you have the seat as a result of a jumpseat agreement.

I agree, thats probably going a little to far, but at least I don't have to worry about it. I have a good friend who always just has to have a drink, and it has caused him nothing but problems.

To each his own, thats just me.

 

[vetrider]

We're talking a couple of drinks, not breaking out the beer bong and doing flaming shots . . . Man, you must not hold your liquor very well!

"I won't even drink, unless I'm in my own house, in a padded room, wearing a straitjacket, a shock collar, attended to by a physician, and with 7 days of vacation ahead . . . . ".


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I know some people that don't drink at all. Is something wrong with that too?
Go ahead and drink Ty, I don't give a rats a.., I was just talking about what I do.

 

[VABB]

Drink away....but if both pilots eat the fish and are taken ill, and the stewardess asks "are there any pilots on board?", and you are talked through the landing by a guy in the control tower and are a hero, the FAA is gonna ding you for reckless operation, and CNN will harp on the drunk pilot story for 3 weeks...

....another 'Jack, please!

Impossible. Crew meals are a thing of the past at most carriers.

 

[Jeepman]

I have had a FA from another airline, twice now, offer me a drink while JS in the cabin, (different shirt ID hidden). Did I? NO. Why? Even if she says o.k. what if something happens?.......not worth it. What could happen?

1. Emergency where I am needed.
2. Another pilot in cabin knows I am jumpseating & drinking
3. FAA in cabin & sees me drinking.
4. Capt. finds out & is not happy about it
5. A thousand other reasons I can't think of right now.

 

[Ganja60Heavy]

Impossible. Crew meals are a thing of the past at most carriers.

I wasn't talking about food

 

[Clyde]

Why not just wait until you reach your destination? If you want a drink that bad, ask for a glass of grape juice and pretend it's cheap wine.

Could we next start a thread on whether or not to eat a poppyseed muffin once in a while?

 

[TR4A]

At my first airline, Pan American World Airways, the only restriction on a non-uniform J/S in the cabin was if you drank you could not come back to the cockpit for 8 hours.

 

[Super Monkey]

So far unofficial answer from LA FISDO is this:

If jumpseater is NOT on duty, nor traveling for duty, and it's been 8hrs and their BAC is under .04% (or your company policy limitations), then he/she can partake in consumption of limited quanties of alcohol.

 

[Fox-Tree]

Impossible. Crew meals are a thing of the past at most carriers.

Just 'cuz the pax don't eat, doesn't mean the crew doesn't either. I know UAL still feeds their pilots and I'm sure most others do too (when duty time calls for it).
I did hear that DL or NW (can't remember) did lose their crew meals on their last round of concessions.