Dream Job

[gobigred1]

As a regional pilot not excited about the idea of making a career at the regionals or flying for the low fare carriers whose boarding areas look like Greyhound terminals I am thinking about making the jump to corporate and am doing research. I was wondering if the corporate world has the "dream jobs" that the airlines do? I heard Coke, Home Depot and Walmart are the cream of the crop. I am not arrogant enough to think I will get a job like this right out of the blocks but would like to know who are the ones to measure others by. Also, where can I find info on corporate flight departments?

Thanks for your thoughts

 

[Otter]

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this is flame bait......right?

 

[Brett Hull]

If you think the low fare boarding areas look like greyhound terminals, you should see the Wal-Mart "terminal".

 

[gobigred1]

Guess that was a stupid question to ask. I honestly don't know a whole lot about the corporate world and was hoping for some direction.

 

[501261]

1., Get a subscription to Forbes.
2., Start hanging out at the corporate "hubs", TEB, VNY, etc. See who's got the nice shiny new jets and go from there.

 

[SCT]

Please beware that not all the "Dream Jobs" may be as good as they appear. I know of a few large Fortune 500 flight departments that have a revolving door for flight crews.......and from the outside looking in, you would think the job would be a career type job.

I guess, I'm saying you not only have to find a job, but find one that fits you and your goals, lifestyle, and personality.

My thoughts,
SCT

 

[English]

501261 hit it on the head.

 

[RJP]

Please beware that not all the "Dream Jobs" may be as good as they appear. I know of a few large Fortune 500 flight departments that have a revolving door for flight crews.......and from the outside looking in, you would think the job would be a career type job.

I guess, I'm saying you not only have to find a job, but find one that fits you and your goals, lifestyle, and personality.

This is accurate. Revolving door based on politics and looking out for "no. 1" by the chief pilot or captain. Job security is a joke. No union, nowhere to turn if there are problems and everyone looking out for themselves. I remember hearing quotes like "if you tell the boss you can't do it, you will be buying a ticket home after they hire someone else to fill your seat". That's the way some of companies work.

Beware of any company with a single crew for each aircraft. No flexibility. Beware of the full part 91 operation. No rest requirements and basically no regulation.

 

[Jack Schitt]

Beware of the full part 91 operation. No rest requirements and basically no regulation.

Yeah, flying corporate really sucks. There's not a single company in this country that operates with a GOM. No companies even take the time to develope their own duty times and standardization. Nobody cares about safety. God knows you have to have a union for all that stuff. And how can you possibly earn a fair wage without union representation? Whatever.....pull your head out of your @ss.

 

[TMMT]

Yeah... I've been flying 24/7 since they hired me 7 years ago, and our managment wipes there asses with the FAR.

 

[RJP]

Yeah, flying corporate really sucks. There's not a single company in this country that operates with a GOM. No companies even take the time to develope their own duty times and standardization. Nobody cares about safety. God knows you have to have a union for all that stuff. And how can you possibly earn a fair wage without union representation? Whatever.....pull your head out of your @ss.

Yep, you certainly know jack schitt. Not EVERY company has a good deal, which was kinda the point.

And there's no E in develop.

 

[na265]

I am at a good 91 flight dept. We do have duty times and regs that are modeled after 121 ops. See if the co's you are intrested in have anything like this.

A good flight dept is all about the people. If the company has a high turn over, turn around and leave.

A last note. Getting into Corp is all about knowing someone. Beat the bushes and talk to people. Let them know that you won't be jumping ship to the majors anytime soon. The last thing a corp dept wants to do is invest a lot of money in you, only to have you leave in a year or so.

 

[Jack Schitt]

Sorry RJP, I thought we were making generalizations.

Job security is a joke. No union, nowhere to turn if there are problems and everyone looking out for themselves.

Funny how you can say the exact same thing about USAir, United, Delta and AA/TWA. Hope you enjoy your beloved ALPA. Or should I call it ALCA? (Air Line Captains Association). Or maybe MALCA would be a better name for it? (Major Air Line Captains Association).

 

[banned username 2]

Or maybe MALCA would be a better name for it? (Major Air Line Captains Association).

Or maybe SMALCA (Senior Major Airline Captains Association)... Just ask the TWA folks about that...

 

[Flywrite]

And there's no E in develop.

This one is almost too easy...it just doesn't seem sporting.

 

[LegacyDriver]

Yep, you certainly know jack schitt. Not EVERY company has a good deal, which was kinda the point.

And there's no E in develop.

Wrong, there are only two instead of three. *DING*

 

[AA717driver]

Maybe it's the RSSMACA(Real Senior Small Major Airline Captain's Association)

gobigred--Having just made the transition from airline to corporate I'll throw my two cents worth in... These are kind of random so just pick through them.

First priority is to know someone. That's how I did it and he still had a fight on his hands. There is an institutional bias against airline types in corporate. Some is deserved, some isn't. Too many airline pilots went out and got corporate jobs while on furlough, promising not to go back to the airline. They lied. That's the deserved aspect.

Anyway, now a lot of people are realizing that there is no job security anywhere and that there are good jobs and bad in all areas of the industry.

You most likely won't score that "Dream Job" right out of the box anyway. (I may have but I'll tell you if I did after I retire.)

You may want to suck it up and go work for a frac to ease into the business. Talk to corporate pilots at the FBO's and tell them your story.

I miss the guaranteed days off that the airline gave me(now I only have 4 a month). But I don't miss scheduling doing everything they could to twist the wording of the contract and screw me. I've been talking to some friends at JB. That would be a great option if I wasn't at my current job. They do have a great deal right now. But what happens if another 9/11 occurs? My owners don't care about the price of fuel, either.

It does seem that the guys in my department have every bit as much disposable income as the airline types.

I would say that if I could go back to my life before 9/11, I would do it. But we all know the response to that... I honestly think you're looking in the right direction and you are going about it the right way. Educate yourself as best you can and realize you will occasionally be pleasantly surprised and occasionally greatly disappointed(yeah, I know that's true for any job in aviation).

Just realize that in corporate more than anywhere else, the grass always seems greener on the other side of the ramp.TC