DR is Back!? ASA hiring department back?

[Oakum_Boy]

Seriously? Is this what the future holds.. Getting jm'ed before you've even made it home??

 

[OCP]

Seriously? Is this what the future holds.. Getting jm'ed before you've even made it home??

Yes... But if you are too TIRED TO FLY. Then you MUST CALL IN FATIGUED. I am still amazed at how scared line holders are to do this. All you need to do is say, "I can no longer continue with this assignment. I am fatigued." You say the same exact thing to a chief pilot, and go home. Fill out the form however you want and should also fill out an ASAP so that the feds learn we are a very fatigued airline. That is is. No nothing. Just don't fly tired.

 

[Data]

So I heard in recurrent that 90% of fatigue calls are coming from pilots under the age of 30. I didn't realize they track these stats but, if true, what is this, a generational thing? Is the entitlement generation not getting the love they need to carry on? Here, I'll say it so that you guys feel better; We appreciate all that you do.

 

[goahead]

The job posting is on the asa website, myasa-careers.......

 

[79%N1]

Yes... But if you are too TIRED TO FLY. Then you MUST CALL IN FATIGUED. I am still amazed at how scared line holders are to do this. All you need to do is say, "I can no longer continue with this assignment. I am fatigued." You say the same exact thing to a chief pilot, and go home. Fill out the form however you want and should also fill out an ASAP so that the feds learn we are a very fatigued airline. That is is. No nothing. Just don't fly tired.

And then be docked 4 hrs pay....just saying.

 

[Av8trix616]

So I heard in recurrent that 90% of fatigue calls are coming from pilots under the age of 30. I didn't realize they track these stats but, if true, what is this, a generational thing? Is the entitlement generation not getting the love they need to carry on? Here, I'll say it so that you guys feel better; We appreciate all that you do.

That may be true, but it's also hard to draw conclusions without more info on this- I'd imagine that pilots under 30 make up a much greater percentage of reserve and junior lineholders- ie, the folks getting extended and junior manned. They would also have worse schedules to start with. 50-somethings with great seniority working 3 day trips or 9 hour naps will not, of course be affected by the same factors as the junior crowd.

I try to remember when someone throws out an off-the-cuff number like that, that there are "Lies, damned lies, and statistics"

 

[buscap]

So I heard in recurrent that 90% of fatigue calls are coming from pilots under the age of 30. I didn't realize they track these stats but, if true, what is this, a generational thing? Is the entitlement generation not getting the love they need to carry on? Here, I'll say it so that you guys feel better; We appreciate all that you do.

There are two different kind of fatigue calls. The "tired" kind and the "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore" kind. (think NETWORK)

I would say the most dangerous fatigue situation is the just plain tired pilot, who simply did not get enough sleep in the previous 24 hours to support the day they are asked to fly.

Also dangerous but maybe less so, is the pilot who is simply sick of the crap schedules, commuting, extensions, and contract violations. Without a good work ethic and light at the end of the tunnel, that pilot will be distracted, stressed, and chronically fatigued.

For some folks, the current staffing situation is not a problem, depending on their personal disposition and background. But if this is one's first real job out of college, I doubt the skills needed to cope in such a situation are present. Sucking-it-up, manning up, pull your weight, etc., are not part of the child rearing industry in the US.

And unfortunately, management is doing absolutely nothing to let these kids know their efforts are appreciated or a short term situation. And while I am loathe to do so, I would submit most folks are unable to realize just how much it could suck more. Call Comair.

But at the same time, we absolutely must fix this situation, while still getting the job done, before some distracted-commuting-extended-peeeessed off-pilot bends metal.

And after the metal is bent, it would be nice if there was a more noble reason for them not having their head in the game, besides poor staffing management.

Pilots should be fatigued because they were out partying or rodgering the FA all night. There is no honor in schedule related fatigue.

 

[Abernathy]

So I heard in recurrent that 90% of fatigue calls are coming from pilots under the age of 30. I didn't realize they track these stats but, if true, what is this, a generational thing? Is the entitlement generation not getting the love they need to carry on? Here, I'll say it so that you guys feel better; We appreciate all that you do.

That's probably because the people above 30 have decent schedules and aren't on reserve, genius. Generational thing? whatever.

 

[Speedtape]

Gosh-

I must have misread DR's memo... I thought it was just a statement of the rather obvious fact that he is RETARDED, not RETIRING.

-We REALLY need new blood over there! That clown has hired some real goombahs!

(And for clarification, they are referring to the suckup a-hole who used to be the CP-who screwed the HELL out of everyone, not the cool guy who used to do indoc.)

He hired me. And, he probably hired you! So, are we goombahs? I will be the judge of that! He has been involved in the hiring process for most of the last 27 years. Goombahs get hired everywhere--it's called slipping through the cracks! I am just glad we are all Rocket Scientists.

 

[Freebrd]

aint it ironic that they can't hire enough pilots but bring back and pay this tool of a CP to hire. geez couldn't SH do it he might have to miss a few RGT classes but come on let's see some efficiency here :laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[OPECJet]

AirlineApps....... Ugh......

Are they still doing the 100 hrs in the last 6 mos thing? What about furloughed guys resigning their numbers?

 

[79%N1]

I don't think ASA has ever required furloughed pilots to resign seniority #'s.

 

[wms]

So I heard in recurrent that 90% of fatigue calls are coming from pilots under the age of 30. I didn't realize they track these stats but, if true, what is this, a generational thing? Is the entitlement generation not getting the love they need to carry on? Here, I'll say it so that you guys feel better; We appreciate all that you do.

A lot of the over 30 folks have had to deal with tougher things than a long work day. Many have been in the military, flown checks all night long, flown charter where if you refuse you get fired or flown corporate where you can only work 24 hours a day and can't do that more than 365 days per year. Or worked a real job where people expexted something from you.

Younger people have not yet reached the point in their lives where they've had to just suck it up and do whatever it takes to get the job done.

DO NOT break the regs or be unsafe. If you're too tired to fly call in fatigued and make sure you talk to one of the reasonable CPs we have. But if you're just pissed because you got extended, be a man and suck it up.

Our staffing is not good right now, but believe me it will get better, and then it will get worse.... It is what it is.

It used to be a badge of honor to have endured hardship, now it's an injustice.

 

[OPECJet]

I don't think ASA has ever required furloughed pilots to resign seniority #'s.

Thanks. Classy on their part.

 

[ASABound]

Bigshooter107 , what is the big announcement ??

 

[COOPERVANE]

Bigshooter107 , what is the big announcement ??

BH is burned out from having to micromanage EVERYTHING!!

I mean, if you want your paycheck to be right, you have to send a letter to the president of the company. Ridiculous!!

That's gotta be tiring!!

 

[JumpersAway]

Heard more 700's on the way, resulting in the need for approximately 250ish pilots needed. Heard this from sources outside the company, as well as from some of the "higher ups" as well. From what I understand, none of them are Mesa airframes or from Comair. Many are from an airline out west that has recently slimmed down to stricktly turbo props, and renegotiated their business agreement with Alaska. Hmmmmmm- makes you think!

 

[johnpeace]

Heard more 700's on the way, resulting in the need for approximately 250ish pilots needed.

That's consistent with the rumor I heard from a training captain who had a fed on his jumpseat asking about the '30 more 700s that are coming into service soon'.

 

[79%N1]

Holy monkey sh!t batman! 30 more 700's? Not sure I believe it for even a second but if so, we better get straight on hiring another 150 pilots. (Unless these just are replacing 50's of ERJ's)

 

[johnpeace]

Holy monkey sh!t batman! 30 more 700's? Not sure I believe it for even a second but if so, we better get straight on hiring another 150 pilots. (Unless these just are replacing 50's of ERJ's)

Could be:
a) the FAA guy screwing with an ASA crew...
b) a training captain screwing with recurrent students (doubtful, given which instructor it was)
c) true

That rumor is also consistent with the other rumors about the FAA hiring more inspectors for the ASA operation at ATL...I've heard that from a BUNCH of people who are presently working at ASA and who used to work here...getting calls from people they know at the FAA asking if they'd be interested, sounds like there's a lot of inspector positions they anticipate needing to fill.

I hate to be one of those rumor spreading pilots posting crap on the internet...but these are the things I have heard while in the GO for requal training.

Take it with a grain of salt (and a suck of lime and shot of tequila).