DOT seeks age 60 opinion, young guys speak up

[skiandsurf]

Something else to think about. The pilots salaries where all negotiated with thought of the pilot making "big bucks" there last few years, and then going out with the big retirement ( at age 60). The airlines and the pilots were OK with the starting "low pay", as long as they had this big fat carrott dangling in front of their nose. Well, now that big fat carrott is nothing but a dried out piece of s***. In the next round of negotiations, the unions need to bring up the starting pay to offset the falling top pay.

Now here is my point....These pilots that are negotiating these salaries, might try harder to raise the FO pay, if they new they would be an FO all over again in a few years. ( this under my theory of turning 60 and going back as an FO).

Where is UndauntedFlyer on this?

 

[munson]

You want to get to the left seat so you can make more money faster and you want it no matter who you trample on the way.quote]

I see....and you didnt want that opportunity. When it presented itself to you, you turned it away and fought for the right of that pilots seat that you were now occupying to come back and keep you where you were.

 

[bubbers44]

Notice how if you are under 5000 hours there is the don't change the rule mentality but otherwise it is about time? It is about time. ICAO said it and it is about time. Watch what happens very soon. click click click

 

[Cyclone]

huh

Bubbers...go back to your drool cup and reruns of Golden Girls...don't get too excited...easy there old timer...slow down with the Cialis already...you think Bea Arthur is a hot handsome woman? OH...wow...that is really sick...yea I want my kid on an airplane with you in charge.

By the way it doesn't take more hours in an airplane to be able to make a more logical argument. Yours is not. Your post says nothing pertinent about the law or a change to the law...if you have something constructive to say that is related to the issue then spit it out. Otherwise just go back to sleep in front of your TV.

 

[Freight Dog]

..... Still waiting for a logical argument of why we should change the rule....

tick-tock-tick-tock.

 

[john cocktosen]

Forget this age 60 crap. I say we propose an age 30 rule for FAs.

 

[DougCorp-9]

I support it because it's age discrimination and I believe people should have the right to continue to fly if they are physically and mentally able. I support it because it's the RIGHT thing to do.

So why have an age at all? Any age is arbitrary. Lets make it 80 and see what happens to the accident rate.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

Hot Air

All this debate is meaningless if it is not on the DOT comment board where it belongs.

 

[Lear70]

..... Still waiting for a logical argument of why we should change the rule....

Still waiting for a logical argument of why we SHOULDN'T change the rule.

No medical experts have yet to speak up citing research evidence that points to accident risk increase or even performance degradation between age 60 and 65.

If the "that's the way things always have been, let's leave it alone" argument were valid, we'd still be a British colony...

Both arguments have no validity. So... do you have a LOGICAL argument against change? Or just "get out of my seat you old crusty bastard!" ???

 

[Freight Dog]

Still waiting for a logical argument of why we SHOULDN'T change the rule.

No medical experts have yet to speak up citing research evidence that points to accident risk increase or even performance degradation between age 60 and 65.

If the "that's the way things always have been, let's leave it alone" argument were valid, we'd still be a British colony...

Both arguments have no validity. So... do you have a LOGICAL argument for change? Or just "get out of my seat you old crusty bastard!" ???

Perhaps nothing related to flying as we booted these "old crusty bastards" out at 60. The study will happen if this thing passes.

My experience, and my position on the whole thing is that we should be out at 55, just like the ATC. I've mentioned several examples on another thread.

As I mentioned on that thread, while the ICAO rule allows pilots up to 65 in the airliners, they acknowledge it's a risk by the same rule requiring the other pilot to be under 60. The reason that's in place is because the pilot shortage is real overseas. Not Kit Darby pilot shortage, but true genuine pilot shortage. As such, it is in their economic interests to keep their economy moving. In the U.S. that's not the case. We have plenty of pilots to keep us staffed even if we dropped the retirement age to 55, and then some to export as well. Allowing guys over 60 to stay in is taking an unnecessary risk... just because ICAO does it, it doesn't mean we should.