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MONKEY

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It seems as if ALPA is handing out more koolaid than those in the motherland of SGU.

I logged onto flightinfo today only to find out that SkyWest is the great Satan. At least that's the conclusion you would have to reach based on all the anti-SKW threads on here.

I guess I'm just tired of all the scare tactics on both sides of the issue.

Management has used theirs, but they are no match for the spin ALPA and it's members are throwing out there.

I hope that everyone voting can look past all of this crap and look at the issues. ALPA has some good points. SKW pilots have done pretty well without them. Is it time for SkyWest to take that step? That's what we have to decide.

I think that some will buy into the company's spin. I think that some will buy into ALPA's spin. hopefully most will be able to look past all that and do what is best for their family and SkyWest pilots as a whole.
 
What are your thoughts on ALPA being a democracy?

That SKYW uses the revenue that SKYW pilots help generate to hire Ford and Harrison, union busting law firm?

What are your thoughts on ALPA already benefiting SKYW pilots on Capitol Hill?

Forget the spin... the fact is simple: ALPA is a demoractic orgainzation that is already looking out for SKYW pilots intrests. Thru democracy SKYW pilots have a chance to represent themselves and the direction of thier careers. Look... Federal law governs EVERYTHING we do as pilots. Where there is law there must be representation.. without it, we will be left out, behind and with the scraps...
 
Just think.... without ALPA pilots might make less than minimum wage and fly without adequate rest.
 
cynic said:
Just think.... without ALPA pilots might make less than minimum wage and fly without adequate rest.
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no they wouldn't, because no one would do this job under those conditions. the market dictates, not a union. a union is able to make advances or give concessions based on what the market will allow, not the other way around.

would you do this job for less than minimum wage? of course not, no one would. you'd go somewhere where you could make $. if that is what everyone suddenly were to pay, then the whole thing would collapse.

it just doesn't work that simply
 
SkyNation said:
no they wouldn't, because no one would do this job under those conditions. the market dictates, not a union. a union is able to make advances or give concessions based on what the market will allow, not the other way around.

would you do this job for less than minimum wage? of course not, no one would. you'd go somewhere where you could make $. if that is what everyone suddenly were to pay, then the whole thing would collapse.

it just doesn't work that simply
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You did. (so did I)
Lets see here....
Credit around 800 hours for the year, x $19.00 = $15,200

TAFB = approx 3360 (not counting any commuting time)
$15,200, divided by 3360 (the time you were not at home) = about $4.50 an hour.

And yes, this is a huge oversimplification!
 
SkyNation said:
no they wouldn't, because no one would do this job under those conditions. the market dictates, not a union. a union is able to make advances or give concessions based on what the market will allow, not the other way around.

would you do this job for less than minimum wage? of course not, no one would. you'd go somewhere where you could make $. if that is what everyone suddenly were to pay, then the whole thing would collapse.

it just doesn't work that simply
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Burger King and Micky D's employees won't even work for minimum wages these days.
Go to any area where unemployment is low, Florida for example..there are very few minimum wage jobs.

Fact is, we DO benefit from the wages negotiated by ALPA and yet, don't pay dues.
One thing I find amazing, is how many FOs are bailing for better pay and bennies.

Take net Jets for example.
Look at their pay and bennies?
Triple starting wage.
Free health insurance.
Meals included.
Keep miles and points.

No limit at age 60.

Look at ALPA medical.
Why does SouthWest use ALPA medical?
Why does UPS's IPA use ALPA medical?

Can we use ALPA medical?

Thanks
 
There is allot of spin right now. Two things I would like to see is the full ASA TA. And a real comparison between SkyWest and all other airlines. I bet from what I hear the TA has some bad things in it and as it sits now I make allot more then I did at Eagle. So I think now is not the time.
 
skynation...you are a tool.
people have paid for the job, not to mention the fact that yes, our first year pilots make less than min wage. this is wrong. what happened to DD is wrong. if ALPA prevents one DD situation, it is 1.95 percent well spent. but than, i dont just care about myself, i care about all my fellow pilots.
 
ok, to simplify terms then.

a union can only negotiate what the market will bear.
 
SkyNation said:
ok, to simplify terms then.

a union can only negotiate what the market will bear.
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ok, to simplify terms then......JA, your boss, can take anything he wants from you and you can do nothing but cry OR leave. Get it in ink.

Simply enough for you.
 
of course he can, but will he? would he be wise to do so? have the last 35 years been just luck, or do you think the guy may have a slight inkling of what he is doing? JA has to provide a place where people want to work by providing competitive pay and benefits. as a businessman he has to balance that with remaining competitive.

and ALPA guys talk about fear tactics.
 
SkyNation said:
no they wouldn't, because no one would do this job under those conditions. the market dictates, not a union. a union is able to make advances or give concessions based on what the market will allow, not the other way around.

would you do this job for less than minimum wage? of course not, no one would. you'd go somewhere where you could make $. if that is what everyone suddenly were to pay, then the whole thing would collapse.

it just doesn't work that simply
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Not nearly as simple as your mind! GIA, Lakes, and a multitude of other minimum wage operators who rely on morons like you to staff their sweatshops. The SKYW pilot group has been sliding backwards since 911, other carriers have stopped the slide but SKYW just picks up speed downhill. Skid-, the new block averages are all things that the company is putting in place in order to have the best possible advantage "if" a union is voted on the property. When was the last time the company "posted" the historical block? Long time ago!!! I would bet the "new historical block" isn't gonna be in our favor. There is a reason they just needed to post them now! Why don't you see if hellonnewoman can run your resume into CAL and let us see you depart for a union carrier.
P.O.S.
"If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem" and you are a very large part, if not the problem itself!
PBR
 
ALPA = Chicken Little

THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!
 
Texx said:
XPOO = Michael Devlin behind a computer.
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No, sorry, I'm not an Opera singer. Just a lowly dispatcher trolling your umpteenth union-related thread.
 
Nothing to see here dispatcher. Pilots talking about what is best for their lives. Does not affect you. Move along.......
 
Texx said:
...being unable to be a professional pilot in your life is ok.
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Perhaps we chose this gig because we were smart enough to see the bullcrap and stay away? Believe it or not, some of us have brains...just like a few of you guys do. :)

Exskydiverdrivr said:
Nothing to see here dispatcher. Pilots talking about what is best for their lives. Does not affect you. Move along.......
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Actually, if SkyWest does vote in ALPA, that DOES affect XPOO. Does it affect his work rules, days off, pay, etc.? Probably not.

It DOES, however, change the way he does his job and, possibly, the financial situation/operational growth of the company he works for. So, while he doesn't directly have a dog in the fight, he is entitled to an opinion.



Oh yeah, the Grammar Nazi in me wishes to thank you for using the proper spelling of "affect".
 

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