Does your contract protect you for 30 in 7 and 8 hour limits?

[Beetle007]

The new FAA rest requirements will often increase the 8 hour limit to 9 or 10 hours and it will eliminate the 30 hrs in 7 days limit. The proposed FAA rule will also eliminate compensatory rest. The company can make you fly as much as they want and only give you 9 hours of rest a night. They can also reduce you to 8 hours a night once a week without any compensatory rest the next night.

At Spirit airlines, we have the 8 hour limit in our contract and the 30 in 7 in our contract. We also have the compensatory rest requirements in our contract. These are contractual limits and the new FAA rules won't change our contract.

So which other airlines have the 30 in 7, 8 hour max, and compensatory rest in their contracts?

 

[General Lee]

The new FAA rest requirements will often increase the 8 hour limit to 9 or 10 hours and it will eliminate the 30 hrs in 7 days limit. The proposed FAA rule will also eliminate compensatory rest. The company can make you fly as much as they want and only give you 9 hours of rest a night. They can also reduce you to 8 hours a night once a week without any compensatory rest the next night.

At Spirit airlines, we have the 8 hour limit in our contract and the 30 in 7 in our contract. We also have the compensatory rest requirements in our contract. These are contractual limits and the new FAA rules won't change our contract.

So which other airlines have the 30 in 7, 8 hour max, and compensatory rest in their contracts?

A birdy told me Dalpa has a lot of protections in it's contract with DL.....



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Beetle007]

A birdy told me Dalpa has a lot of protections in it's contract with DL.....

I couldn't find the Delta contract on Airlinepilotcentral.

I did notice that Continental doesn't have any contractual protections but United has some protections.

I also noticed that American has the 8 hour limit in their contract but I forgot to check for 30 in 7 or the compensatory rest.

Airlines without contracts like Virgin America and jetBlue will really benefit from this new FAA rest requirements that eliminates almost all protections.

 

[GuppyWN]

WN has rest requirements and duty restrictions but defers to FAA limits for flight time.

Gup

 

[Beetle007]

Thanks GUP. I'm just trying to get an idea of how this will affect the industry. Airlines will have to follow the most restrictive of the regs or the contracts so it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

 

[Green Banana]

Those limits will change once carrot it dangled in front of the senior pilots. 10 hrs a day and work 8 days a month.......right.

 

[General Lee]

Those limits will change once carrot it dangled in front of the senior pilots. 10 hrs a day and work 8 days a month.......right.

10 hour days can only have two total legs. It might benefit SWA's BWI pilots with LAS or PHX turns. Other airlines probably have more flights due to more frequent transcons.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Thanks GUP. I'm just trying to get an idea of how this will affect the industry. Airlines will have to follow the most restrictive of the regs or the contracts so it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

If a pilot group has a restrictive contract that covers rest rules and hours flown per day, then the company really has a double wammy. The company will have to follow the new rules that benefit the pilots, and at the same time not be allowed to follow the new rules that would have benefited them thanks to the contract being enforced. I think there are a few airlines that have that situation.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Beetle007]

The companies that will flourish under these new rest rules are the crappy airlines with bad contracts (or no contract).

Make no mistake, these new rest rules are bad for pilots and good for the company.

 

[Mike man]

These are contractual limits and the new FAA rules won't change our contract.

That is hands down the funniest thing ever posted on FI...Spirit management honoring the contract.

The companies that will flourish under these new rest rules are the crappy airlines with bad contracts (or no contract).

Just like Spirit with the crappy contract...as far as flourish BBB and his crew are too stupid to flourish anything.

Make no mistake, these new rest rules are bad for pilots and good for the company.

The old rest rules were the same way...why did you think the new ones would be different?

ALPA, APA and the Teamsters need to get some balls and end this battle once and for all. Greedy airline management needs to be stopped and put in their place...back in the 40's, 50's and 60's when ALPA was fighting for work rules, rest rules, flying limits and so on, the RLA was in effect and applied to the airlines, but that didn't stop them then...why now?