Does how you did in college really matter

[bestpilot]

Duuuudes,


I was like dem ddduuudes in dat Tommy Boy movie. Yeah, bro, I like wuz runnin thru dem hedges wen i wuz like goin to Tulsa and stuff. Freaking wild when like you like trip on like oneadem water sprinkler thingies. Freaking best eight years of my life wuz a college. But now, me an my 1.85 GPA are chillin wit da Tranny.


Awwwwww Yeeeeeaaaah! Like dat Lou Gehrig duude said before he died from dat disease. (Duuude, I can NEVER remember what cat they named dat disease after). Anyways, for me and old Lou, me workin at da Tranny, it's like waht Lou said at ole Babe Ruth stadium.

Toooday, I consider myself self self self

the luckiest man alive live live live

 

[pilotyip]

During my interview at UAL in 1996 the interviewer quizzed on my grades, and asked why I got a D in "Diffy Equations" in the spring of 1963. I told her it was a really hard course to take in the spring. Why UAL would care about a low grade in a class that less than 1% of the pilot population every even attempted is beyond me. Must have been one of those stress things that UAL liked to work in to the interview. Good airlines like SWA, AirTran, and JB do not let the absence of a degree, or if you have a degree, or where it came from, or what your grade point was, or what you majored in, stand in the way of hiring the right pilot. The best way to an airline cockpit is start flying out of high school do your degree on the side combination of community college and on-line course. The airlines as my good friend G200 stated it is just a box to check to make the HR people feel really good about themselves and how selective they are in maintaining high standards at their airline. A college degree has nothing to do with flying an airplane,

 

[bestpilot]

During my interview at UAL in 1996 the interviewer quizzed on my grades, and asked why I got a D in "Diffy Equations" in the spring of 1963.


Good airlines like SWA, AirTran, and JB do not let the absence of a degree, or if you have a degree, or where it came from, or what your grade point was, or what you majored in, stand in the way of hiring the right pilot.

Aww Yeah!!! Win on for the Yipper! Duuude, you are like a REALLY old dude, but you gots mad perspective and stuff like dat. Duuude, waht is Diffy Equations? Dat sounds Diff-E-Cult, or like waaayyy too hard for a History major like me. When ole Tommy Boy said dat Herbie Hancock be signin dat Constitution, I was like pumped, cause like I knew that too, bro!

Duuude, I got like more D's than B's, bro, but I with da Tranny, so it's ALLLLLLL GOOOOOOODDDD!!!!

Duuude, thanks for the mad props for "Good Airlines" like SWA, JB, and Da Freaking Tranny!!!!!!

Out-freaking-standing, my brother from like a Happy Days mother. Duude, sorry about Pat Morita, dude. Did you go to school with him? Freaking Arnold and the Yip, 2 wicked cool cats!

 

[AA717driver]

I'd like to personally thank the Moderators for allowing us the use of the IGNORE feature. Thank you.TC

 

[FN FAL]

It's funny that they would want your transcripts and question you about your college grades, when you're interviewing for a position where "on the job performance" is graded with a "U" or an "S".

 

[800Dog]

I would avoid community college or on-line degrees. Go to the best college you can and make the best grades possible. Your flying career can end in an instant and you will need good grades from a quality institution if you want to get into a good graduate school and start a new career. Also, I would major in something non aviation related. Do not put all your eggs in one basket.

 

[Mugs]

I would avoid community college or on-line degrees. Go to the best college you can and make the best grades possible. Your flying career can end in an instant and you will need good grades from a quality institution if you want to get into a good graduate school and start a new career. Also, I would major in something non aviation related. Do not put all your eggs in one basket.

Well said. How sad that guys spend big bucks at a pretty-boy aviation school only to graduate with a worthless aviation degree and the goal of an 18K a year job. As an Airbus F/O, I see myself as completely replaceable. Why keep a guy like me around that expects enough pay and benefits to support a family when there are plenty of starry-eyed 22 year olds that would sign on to do my job for beer money? This blow off college attitude because "I'm going to fly jets" idea is laughable.

 

[Big Dog]

College...

The farther you get from college the less it matters. I would say it matters for that first job simply because they have no other way to gauge what kind of performance to expect from you, unless you have previous non-college experience of course. From then on, they're probably going to call your last employer and ask if you were a douch bag or a decent guy. What matters is how and what you are doing right now. Fly and be the best you can today, whether it be a C152 pounding the patch with an unteachable student, freight doggin' in the ice or the never to upgrade CRJ F/O. What you are doing TODAY is what matters.
To say it another way, I was around for a quick converstation between 2 management types at my shop. The higher up came in and asked the lower if they remembered so & so, an airline is on the phone doing a background check. They said "yea, he was the shaggy haired kid." Higher asked "what kind of guy was he," and lower said, "pretty decent, but he had a prop strike." Then higher asked "if he gave two weeks notice" And lower said, "he sure did."
In the end they didn't really care he had a prop strike but cared that he gave two weeks notice. It came down to what kind of guy he was and had not much to do with flying, not to mention college.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

College will make you think your smarter than everyone else. On the other hand, flying will also do the same.

 

[ForgedBlade]

Too much eduaction is never bad. I got lucky and have a BS and MS and I would say that they always have helped. If you do not have a degree, trying getting on with, say, Continental now. In most cases, it is hard (although not impossible) to get on with a "major" airline without it. Yes, it is just a box to check, but from an airlines perspective, having the degree shows that you are reasonably intelligent enough to make it through their training program. In this day and age, I sure am glad to have a degree, you just never know about a long airline career any more.

 

[pilotyip]

You have to decide on what you want to be a college graduate or a pilot. If is a pilot, you fly airplanes and build resume stuff. It will take approximately 10 years to get to a career position in aviation. You have to commit to the time frame to make it. To not fly and get a degree may be fun but it does nothing for your flying career. Now to get a degree on the side while you are flying, nothing wrong with that. However, the fallback value of a degree is greatly over rated. I have a BS and a Master's in Management, but at age 53, I was making $250/wk loading cargo. After Zantop pretended to go out of went out of business in 1997, I had been a temporary High School Chemistry Teacher up until two weeks before the cargo job came along. However, they do not teach school in the summer so I had to take the cargo job. The value of an unused degree is highly over rated. 53 year old unemployed airline pilots are not eagerly greeted in any industry that I know of, even of having a couple degrees. Of course, I did not apply for many of the "College degree preferred jobs" such as apt manager, telephone direct sales, and plumbing floor manager at Home Depot, etc. If you get a college degree you have to use, the knowledge gained in college to develop a career or the degree is useless. After getting a degree, flying an airplane is not a knowledge expanding experience; it is skill development experience. Anyone care to chime in and share their experiences on entering the non-aviation job market after being out of college 20-30 years?

 

[pilotyip]

Forged; cool logo, looks just like the one on the fender of my 66 Conv. There are many ways to get an education besides college, military, trade schools, and on-the-job. We have had a majority of our non-college 121 check airman get on with major airlines. Part 121 TJ PIC will give you the same advantage as a college degree except at five airlines. However, there is a definite basis that the only path to the cockpit is through a 4-yr degree. That does not reflect reality of who is being hired at SWA, JB and AirTran.

 

[DC8 Flyer]

Yip

I have the "reverese" for you. I didn't even know I could be a pilot coming out of high school (stupid advisors!) So I spent 3 years at State earning one degree, then found out I could be a pilot, spent another 3 years at UND earing my ratings and yet another degree. Now here I sit with a pretty good job, good QOL, ok pay, etc etc. I did it all by going to college first (twice mind you!) and I am still in a good position. If I had followed your advice (not saying it is bad, just making a point) I would most likely be a furloughed Indy Air Capt, (I hope all you Indy guys make out ok!) or a displaced Eagle Capt. I wouldn't be at any major, maybe AirTran or JB, but those I don't want to be at either. Everything happens for a reason and everyones path is different but ultimately leads to the same goal, PERSONAL SATISFACTION.

You have a good "line" for an argument about college, but I believe it is misplaced. Of course it does not take a college degree to fly an airplane, any monkey can do that, just ask Haulingthemail :nuts: . It is stupid that some airlines won't interview or hire someone without a degree or someone with X amount of hours of helo time (helicopters are worthless by the way ) but no one said life was fair. If going to school and earning a degree gives me an advantage over someone who has been flying for a year or two before me, gee lemme thinkg, what should I do? By advantage I mean landing a job because of my degree and not how many hours I spend in the pattern or doing the same FSD to MSP run for a year.

I had a chance to go to Ameriflight, AirNet, and a couple of other cargo outfits and I really think those would have hurt me in the long run. Not beause they are bad companies or the experience(s) would have been bad, but because I would have had to move my family all over the country. Having a good flying job is about a hell of a lot more than equipement, pay and days off. The biggest thing is how much of that QOL do you get to spend with your family (for us family types) and if I had taken your cookie cutter route I wouldn't have what I have today THANK GOD!

/rant over

 

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Interviewed with a major carrier in the 80s all they wanted to see was the degree certificate itself. No transcripts.

 

[buttercup]

Forged; cool logo, looks just like the one on the fender of my 66 Conv. There are many ways to get an education besides college, military, trade schools, and on-the-job. We have had a majority of our non-college 121 check airman get on with major airlines. Part 121 TJ PIC will give you the same advantage as a college degree except at five airlines. However, there is a definite basis that the only path to the cockpit is through a 4-yr degree. That does not reflect reality of who is being hired at SWA, JB and AirTran.

Too bad they didnt offer degrees in "Self Worth" or "What pilots really deserved to be paid" or "100K isnt alot of money even though Pilotyp thinks it is"!

 

[pilotyip]

As214, it is relative if you have never made $100K is a great number. I believe the real world would tend to agree with this. If you once made $200K and got used to living on it might seem not so good. Only on the pilot board would $100K be sneered at as a property wage. Few people are as lucky as pilots who love to fly airplanes and are paid to do something them love. The rest of the world would be jealous. I am perfectly content, I am doing well, I am still living my dream from 58 years ago when at 5 years old. I decided I wanted to be a pilot. Trailer says it all.

 

[pilotyip]

DC-8, can not help it. I have to stand up my helo heros. Someone has to figure out why non helo guys and uninformed management knuckleheads don't view a multi-crew Captain time in an advanced IFR helo like the H-60, H-46, H-53 or H-47 as not real flight time. However, PIC in a VFR only C-150 in the traffic pattern is the breakfast of champions for an airline career. We have hired many military rotor heads and I have never been disappointed with their performance in training or on-line. Why are most management and insurance company’s sooooo out of touch with reality? Ops I am sorry I was management bashing again.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

Everything matters, in one way or another.

Say you're at a party, and you're supposed to meet a certain girl, and end up marrying her, having a family, etc. However, you know deep down that you don't really want to meet her, because you know how hard it's been in the past to get along with her, and you dread the thought of spending this whole life with her.

So, your subconscious intentionally pushes you to drink so much and do something stupid, so you break your arm and have to go to the hospital, missing your meeting with the woman scheduled to be your wife.

You go through this life a different way, and you're so relieved you didn't have to deal with that woman. Then, you die, and you find out what you did. GREAT! Instead of getting away with something, you find out you have to go back and try all over again to meet the woman, marry her, etc.

The more you try and resist your "density" (Back To The Future), the worse it gets each time.

So, the moral of the story? Be a man, face your fears, and try your best. In the end of this life, you'll be much more satisfied.

Good luck to you!

cliff
YIP

PS-Groundhog Day is a great movie!

 

[pilotyip]

cliff, you have been up too long, what did you say?

 

[Guitar Guy]

I haven't been asked much about my degree, which is in aeronautical engineering, in any interview I've had. Boeing probably asked a bit but AA didn't ask anything about it that I recall. AA was more interested in my Boeing background. When I took the plunge and started my flying career, neither the commuter I flew for nor NetJets asked much about my degree.

As for "going to college vs. flying for living", I'm very glad to have the background that I do. The years I spent at my desk, while not as fun as flying, did give me a world of background that I wouldn't have had otherwise.