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Do you enjoy instructing?

21Foxtrot

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As instructing seems the standard path to a professional career in aviation, I'm curious to hear about personal experiences from CFIs.

Did you enjoy it or couldn't wait to be done and on to the next job?
How frightening have the experiences been?
General pros/cons...?

In the end, I would think it's a great experience and ultimately helps to make one a better pilot. Sure everyone seems to be in a rush to "make it" (Airlines, Corp. etc.), but why do so many new, aspiring pilots try and avoid this path? Is it as simple as not wanting to spend the time to pay the dues?

Thanks!
 

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I enjoyed it. What I didn't like was the $14/hr pay, staying at the airport for 12 hrs to get 7 hours pay.
 

Yank McCobb

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viper548 said:
I enjoyed it. What I didn't like was the $14/hr pay, staying at the airport for 12 hrs to get 7 hours pay.

I guess you couldn't wait to make the big jump up to the regionals for the $19/hr pay and staying at the airport 12 hours to get 7 hours pay (if you are one of the lucky ones).
 

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21Foxtrot said:
Is it as simple as not wanting to spend the time to pay the dues?

Well, sometimes people with a wad of cash/loan money that is burning a big hole in their pockets go and buy a job in order to jump into the airline scene, hoping that the extra few months to a year of seniority they'll have over somebody who instructing for a year will make their purchse worthwhile. Seniority is the name of the game in the airline wolrd. The pilot hired first will always make more money and have a better schedule, that's just how it goes. And some people think instructing is "dead time" when they could be flying the big iron RJ's and what not. Speaking as someone w/ over 1000 hrs. dual given and having a gold seal, instructing is what you make of it: there's 1000 hrs of experience and one hour of experience repeated 1000 times. What I tell my students who look like they wanna drop that cash on those type of programs is that you gain a lot of valuable experience as a CFI. If you work somewhere cool, the other instructors are usually in the same boat as you and you build camaderie, you can make a buttload of contacts in the airline world and, if you're not a complete toolbox, sometimes you get to go to cool places for free and get paid for it (i.e. SEC football game, concert or something else) just because the rich dude w/ a Seneca and season tickets needs a MEI to make sure he doesn't kill himself. The way I kinda looked at is was skipping out in instructing would have been like skipping out on college, you'd miss some of the best years of your life to go let a flight director tell you what to do and you'd never even know it.

Now, i'm sure i'm gonna get called on this b/c I think it's pretty cool that some airlines lowered their mins, but you'd only have to instruct for about 6 months or so if you've got a steady student load. So i'd say go for the CFI route, I enjoyed it, when student's weren't trying to kill me.
 

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I enjoy it quite a bit. Couldn't tell you why, but...there it is. I'd like to be able to make a living doing it, but that doesn't seem likely...

It isn't too bad as far as the students. Just don't let them take you too far.

-mini
 

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Yank McCobb said:
I guess you couldn't wait to make the big jump up to the regionals for the $19/hr pay and staying at the airport 12 hours to get 7 hours pay (if you are one of the lucky ones).

His list shows nothing about any regional aircraft. Dont be an ass. Thats right you went straight to SWA. We should all look up to you. By the way i dont make 19 bucks an hour.:):

we have to get there somehow. i guess cfis should just instruct till a major will hire them.:)

to answer the post I really enjoyed instructing.
 
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I loved it and I miss it! As I taxi pass a single engine trainer I am actually looking out the window wishing I was in it like I once did from the right seat of the 172 looking at the larger faster planes. "fuselage envy" I once heard it called.
 

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While instructing, I typically worked 7 days a week, 8 hrs at the airport per day. Usually I would have a 2 hr break between lessons somewhere during the day. My paychecks would be approx 45-50 hrs every other week.

At my regional, I typically work 4 days a week, 8 hrs duty time. I usually have 30 min turns, with 1 or 2 one hour turns. My paychecks are still 45-50 hrs.

At least where I work, QOL is much better than it was instructing.
 

Superpilot92

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I used to work every day all day as an instructor. I had fun but it was alot of work for not much pay.. At least now with my job i work less and make more. I get to spend more time with my family. Also my current position i have the potential to make more money in the future. Every job is what you make of it.

I for one hope to move on later to a major. Alot of people seem to have lost that desire.
 

macfly

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What about the guys that want to be a career instructor? You guys should should just PFT and leave that profession the hell alone.

You pukes that instruct and use it as merely a obstacle, will do it for nothing, crap on the rest of the guys that work hard to try make a living as an instructor.

Because of this, we now have the worst civil air training ever - in US history.

Congrads!
 

Superpilot92

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95% if not 99% of people who become flight instructors are doing it to move on to fly something else.

I was making 16.50 as a flight instructor. Thats not really any way to make a living. Especially when that is the max i ever would have made as instructor at my old flight school i worked at.
 

macfly

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Slam dunk

Thats too bad you cant earn a living flight instructing. really. Its a cool job and should be rewarded with a career if one seeks.

Market flooded with guys that dont really dont want to teach is good.... how?

PFT and leave the real teaching to the real teachers.
 

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I really enjoyed flight instructing. What I enjoyed even more was being a 141 check instructor at a university. I still got to teach a little bit (we had CFI and Multi students), but I got to help out a lot more students than I did as a regular fligt instructor. Granted, I wouldn't take a student from zero time to a checkride, but I could pass on hints, advice, etc. that I had learned over the years that their 400 hour instructor hadn't learned yet.
 

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Flight instructing was the worst and best job I ever had. A sense of autonomy, free to design my lessons in the way that would best help my students, and that really rewarding feeling of when you solo a student or they start to "get it" or... you get the idea. The worst from a standpoint of pay, hours put in to hours paid, flight school politics, students who drive you nuts by never studying, etc.
 

macfly

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- when I say PFT, everything is PFT if your a civilian, in one way or another. If you a civi, you pay your own way. You pay.


The only thing thats not PFT is a military contract. Then again, ask your taxpayers and they will say we all PFTS. Somebody has to pay for all this fun we are having. Somebody has to pay. You pay.

so whos paying? the instructors that are trying to make a living doing something they believe is a worthy cause.

I quess its not conceivable that some guys want to instruct the fine nuances of flying a 150. Therefore, we are replaceable be someone who will do the 'same' job for bundles less.

You wonder why we have airspace problems.
 

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I enjoy it, but I will be glad to move on to other experiences as well. With that said, I do plan on keeping all of my CFI privileges current so that I can keep teaching. It can be a very rewarding profession.

No, I will not go out and PFT! Just because I do not wish to instruct for the rest of my life does not make me any less professional or skilled then you. I hold myself and my students to very high training standards. It has been my experience that instructors that are not interested in taking the occupation seriously have a very hard time keeping students. On many occasions, I have had students come to me who were not happy with the quality of instruction they were receiving. If your having a hard time retaining students, stop blaming everyone else and look at your own skills and attitude. Your either a good instructor and take it seriously or your not, aspirations of eventually flying equipment other than single engine pistons has nothing to do with it and there's nothing wrong with that.

Get over yourself.
 
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macfly

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When has paying your dues included flat lining a whole profession such as flight instruction. Admit it, no one wants to teach. They did the job because it might lead them to "other experiences." You got into this to fly light airplanes didnt ya?

BS

But since your paying your dues, its all justified, even the class F students you are producing.

Congrads.
 

sbav8r

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With an attitude like that, I really don't understand how you can lecture anyone about this topic.

There are plenty of people doing very well instructing for a living. Ask Rich Stowell, Jedi Nein, and many others. The difference between you and them is that they conduct themselves in a very proffessional manner. Maybe if you were not such an a$$ someone would pay you a decent amount.
 

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Maybe if you could make a decent living as an instructor, people wouldn't be in such a hurry to move on
 
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