Do business people hate Southwest now?

[General Lee]

Nice deflection Floppy....I was still in the Military in the late 70's and Continental wasn't hiring anyway....

You are not too comfortable with the dismal financial and service history of Continental over the last 35 years which is why you have an obsession with SWA accomplishing everything CO could not...

I'll take Herb over Frank Lorenzo any day.....

That's right, you were flying in the 70s when most of us were young children or not even born yet. I like it when people like Andy try to turn this survey around and say it's good for SWA. WRONG. Compared to the others in a RECENT survey, Southwest was last for this survey of business travellers. Your fares are often higher than the legacies, and your business product is the same as your coach product, which isn't something businessmen want. You can continue to draw upon your vast knowledge of the past (since you were there with the Wright brothers too), or you can read the survey TODAY and see that your airline scored LAST. That culture of yours is sinking thanks to higher fares for everyone, and the way you treated your new employees from Airtran. Good bye old man.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Flopgut]

Nice deflection Floppy....I was still in the Military in the late 70's and Continental wasn't hiring anyway....

You are not too comfortable with the dismal financial and service history of Continental over the last 35 years which is why you have an obsession with SWA accomplishing everything CO could not...

I'll take Herb over Frank Lorenzo any day....

Uh, yeah they were hiring. CAL was still "the proud bird with the golden tail" back then. Bob Six's airline with personal touches left by his movie star wife Audrey Meadows.

SWA is durably profitable. Other than that, SWA has not, and never will, accomplish anything CAL didn't do first. You are a menial, simplified operation that has grown very expensive.

Both Frank and Herb are gone. You of all people should know any outfit could have become a casualty to a Lorenzo-type. You and way too many of your SWA brethren want to take a victory lap like you've put the game away. The legacies have been around twice as long as SWA; You're at halftime. Deregulation was suppose to grow competition and sustain a larger number of smaller airlines. Well, we all got over that idea pretty quick didn't we? CAL pilots have been through mergers and we're equipped to go through another now.

Other than fly in the military, I wouldn't trade careers with you. Even for the money.

 

[Sacha]

Uh no...they were not hiring....as a matter of fact, some of the first Scabs to cross the line were furloughed Continental pilots.....But why let facts get in the way....

You skipped commenting on the WSJ articles in today's edition. Perhaps because it's easier to stick your head in the sand and bash Southwest. Face it, you work for two notoriously dysfunctional airlines that have shifted their emphasis from Domestic to International at a time when the Worlds economy is about to go off a cliff. These two airlines that both have horrible management and angry employees dating back to the early to mid 80's are now going to combine operations.....How much fat would be there in good times?....usually a lot. What about during economic Armageddon on a worldwide scale?....

Hope your parents have a nice basement for you....

Not that it will have any meaning for you, but take a good, long look at the debt as percentage of GDP ratings of those countries. Then realize all it is going to take is just one of those countries to Default and beg for help....2008 will look like a small downturn in comparison.....

If the only thing you can come up with is to zero in on SWA coming in last in Business travelers preference....well....that is absolutely hilarious if it wasn't so pitifully sad....

Career-wise and financially, that survey and the supposed loss of "culture" is the extent of my exposure... Which is just about zero....

You on the other hand have a target on your butt as big as Osama at a Bat Mitzvah....

 

[Daytonaflyer]

Speaking of Southwest. Their stock price was above $13 six months ago, but is now down in the $8 range. What's happening over there?

 

[Sacha]

Speaking of Southwest. Their stock price was above $13 six months ago, but is now down in the $8 range. What's happening over there?

Speaking of Delta.....$14.5. Now 8.5
Speaking of American....$9. Now 2
Speaking of Ual/Co.....$30. Now 16

What's happening over there?......

Oh, I forgot....I have read some of your Left-wing rants....and the fact that you went to Embry-Ridiculous......

Your stellar financial observations and understanding are right up there with the two current occupant idiots, Obama and Biden.....

 

[Slug]

Speaking of Southwest. Their stock price was above $13 six months ago, but is now down in the $8 range. What's happening over there?

American Airlines reported a loss.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Sacka,

You forgot Alaska...$55 a share.

 

[Sacha]

Sacka,

You forgot Alaska...$55 a share.

Fudgepacker,

Not that a Regional airline like yours is relevant, but ok let's look...

End of July, early august it was around $70

In about 3 months it dropped to around $50 for a drop of about 30%.....

The dollar per share amount is usually meaningless.....

Percentage drop in a 3 month period invites a few more questions....
Did the market drop 30% in the same time period or is Skywest going to acquire you guys?........relative seniority is only fair.....but an Arbitrator will take care of that for you.......

Does ALPA National provide you guys with the calculators that have the giant buttons....or do you still use your fingers and toes like when you were the "Squadron Gomer"?..........

 

[General Lee]

Speaking of Delta.....$14.5. Now 8.5
Speaking of American....$9. Now 2
Speaking of Ual/Co.....$30. Now 16

What's happening over there?......

Oh, I forgot....I have read some of your Left-wing rants....and the fact that you went to Embry-Ridiculous......

Your stellar financial observations and understanding are right up there with the two current occupant idiots, Obama and Biden.....

Yeah, but your culture is going down the tubes! We had a good overall merger, and yours is getting worse. What a bunch of idiots. Your management sides with ONE side before arbitration? GREAT IDEA, NOT. Enjoy it at USAir II.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Flopgut]

Uh no...they were not hiring....as a matter of fact, some of the first Scabs to cross the line were furloughed Continental pilots.....But why let facts get in the way...

I'm looking at the seniority list Sacha. I don't know what you're looking at.

There's a long list of real bad things that have been going on economically (and otherwise) that have particuliarly detrimental effects on the legacy airline's business for a long time. And I realize you cheer it on because it's been the bread and butter over there at SWA for the last 10+ years, but we've adapted. This stuff in this article? no biggie. YOU like to forget that CAL clawed it's way back from the grave to a very respectable airline (ran your butts out of IAH), and that UAL was once a DOW component. Your going to have to compete with us and it's not going to be the cakewalk you've had in the past. Your not going to be able to hide out at Love Field and have the competition eliminated like you did with Braniff.

Spend a little more time trying to muster some professionalism and see if you can get thru what should be a fairly clean merger, and a little less time hoping something terrible happens in the world and makes it easy for you....

 

[Sacha]

The stuff in the WSJ today was no biggie?! Did you read it?......more important...did you understand it?....

No airline will benefit from what is coming down the road....Southwest always benefited when the economy went into recessions....mild recessions. Big difference as to what we might face if something doesn't change. But anyone who derives the majority of their revenue from International could really get hurt if Greece collapse's and the EU disintegrates. Reread my main point that it is laughable that someone who is so exposed to that kind of real danger would come on forums such as these and take such joy over belittling SWA and it's pilots over something as inconsequential as a survey of which airline business people prefer. Especially since SWA has not now or most likely never will be a business travel airline. It's the same mentality of someone who points to a Cat calls it a Dog. What makes you think it's a Dog? Because I said so.....

 

[General Lee]

The stuff in the WSJ today was no biggie?! Did you read it?......more important...did you understand it?....

No airline will benefit from what is coming down the road....Southwest always benefited when the economy went into recessions....mild recessions. Big difference as to what we might face if something doesn't change. But anyone who derives the majority of their revenue from International could really get hurt if Greece collapse's and the EU disintegrates. Reread my main point that it is laughable that someone who is so exposed to that kind of real danger would come on forums such as these and take such joy over belittling SWA and it's pilots over something as inconsequential as a survey of which airline business people prefer. Especially since SWA has not now or most likely never will be a business travel airline. It's the same mentality of someone who points to a Cat calls it a Dog. What makes you think it's a Dog? Because I said so.....

Yeah, and lower oil prices as of late will KILL your Texas profits..... The problem with your thinking (there are many problems, actually) is that most of the Legacies have successful ops in different parts of the World, and they tend to balance each other out. Asia is doing VERY well right now, and Europe is a bit softer, (like you have turned, age 64) But Europe always gets better in the Spring, and Summer flights to Europe are usually full. If the economy over there has tanked, usually that means better deals for travellers, and more people go there to capture the deals. See, you're dumb. You also forgot about the 10 successful fare increases, which helps all airlines, and your airline has participated in most because they have a big bill to pay called Airtran.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Sacha]

You mean like after 9-11? You had so much demand worldwide for the Delta product you declared bankruptcy....Pensions....gone...Payrates....less than Valujet....

Frightful how stupid you really are.....

You need to change your moniker from General Lee to Jefferson Davis...

Lee was brilliant...Davis...not so much...

 

[General Lee]

You mean like after 9-11? You had so much demand worldwide for the Delta product you declared bankruptcy....Pensions....gone...Payrates....less than Valujet....

Frightful how stupid you really are.....

You need to change your moniker from General Lee to Jefferson Davis...

Lee was brilliant...Davis...not so much...

Looks like your Q3 quarter last year was better than this year. Oh well, I have read DL's Q3 profit was estimated at $790 million or so.

Earnings Preview: Southwest to report 3Q results
Published: Tuesday, 18 Oct 2011

DALLAS - Southwest Airlines Co. reports third-quarter results on Thursday, and analysts expect the discount airline to post a profit on higher traffic and revenue than a year ago.

WHAT TO WATCH FOR: Investors will be listening for any hints about travel demand in late fall and winter.

Southwest may have raised alarms when it launched a sale Tuesday with fares as low $35 each way, suggesting that it needed to fill seats during the usually slow period.

WHY IT MATTERS: Airlines packed in passengers during the summer. Average occupancy — so-called load factor — was sky-high. But vacation season is over, and concern is growing that the weak economy could convince vacationers and companies to cut back on travel.

Any major drop in traffic and revenue — something worse than the usual seasonal decline — would add to fears that 2012 will be more challenging than 2011 for the airlines, which are already burdened by higher fuel costs.

Airlines have been cutting flights — reducing the supply of seats — to keep prices up, and it seems to be working. The Air Transport Association, an industry trade group, said Monday that full planes meant that revenue per mile on U.S. flights rose 14 percent in September.

The U.S. market "continues to impress," said Helane Becker, an analyst for Dahlman Rose & Co. She said Tuesday that Southwest, which carries more U.S. passengers than anyone, should benefit from the strong revenue market.

Investors will also want to hear about progress in combining Southwest and AirTran, which the company bought in May. Airline mergers are notoriously difficult because of differences in technology, planes and labor groups.

AirTran pilots have slowed the process of joining with Southwest pilots — they're represented by separate unions — which could indicate that the merger is going more slowly than Southwest had expected.

WHAT'S EXPECTED: Analysts surveyed by FactSet expect Southwest to report net income of $88 million on revenue of $4.17 billion. Excluding one-time items, the adjusted earnings should be 13 cents per share, according to the analysts.

LAST YEAR'S QUARTER: In the July-September quarter of 2010, Dallas-based Southwest reported net income of $205 million, or 27 cents per share, on revenue of $3.03 billion




Bye Bye----General Lee

 

[Flopgut]

The stuff in the WSJ today was no biggie?! Did you read it?......more important...did you understand it?....

That's right. No biggie. Sounds bad, to a nutball like you I know. But anymore in the legacy flying world, it's just your average day of the week. Greece will get fixed and the Eurozone experiment will learn a lesson.

SWA is very much a business travel airline of late Sacha. But we're coming to get our customers back. We're going to offer more and have a better price than you can. Don't know if you caught this from an earlier thread: but the CAL marketing guy who was calling the shots when we kicked you out of IAH went over to DAL. He's good; Made the guys in Dallas look like bozos. We offered him a ton of money to stay but he wanted to move home to ATL. You'd better worry about that guy and let me worry about Greece.