DL pilots expected keep their jobs

[Flightdawg]

Okay so if that wasn't enough to pull their tickets, what would?

A Fed who was a horse's ass would do it.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

They were not "intentionally" violating a rule. They did not know they were being called, and were missing radio calls (for whatever reason). If they realized they were called, I'm 100% sure they would have responded.

I know 2 guys who flew about 2 1/2 hrs through a bunch of ATC sectors. They were arguing about religion. GPS coupled to autopilot, so on course.

cliff
NBO

 

[Muskycat]

Both crews made bonehead decisions.

One crew declared an emergency, one crew did not.
One crew caused fighter jest to scramble, one did not.
One crew caused a phone call to the White House, one crew did not.
One crew caused a multiply phone calls to federal agencies, one did not.

Now does everybody see why one crew was in the media and one was not??

 

[crj567]

Both crews made bonehead decisions.

One crew declared an emergency, one crew did not.
One crew caused fighter jest to scramble, one did not.
One crew caused a phone call to the White House, one crew did not.
One crew caused a multiply phone calls to federal agencies, one did not.

Now does everybody see why one crew was in the media and one was not??

-Surely you jest...

-fighter jests are one scary bitch, they can kid yuo right out of the sky.

-Acerbic, yes?

 

[Benjamin Dover]

FWIW - Sleeping is biological and not always intentional. IMHO get surgery for Sleep Apnea and get back to work. But it is hard to accidentally pull out the laptop.

Not that any of us here know what happened.

I think those guys that were snoozing out in Hawaii lost their jobs too.

 

[ultrarunner]

The reason why the NWA188 guys were excluded from ASAP is because they intentionally were violating a rule.

Talking to the media, the fed agencies running their mouths to the media, and the other issues certainly didn't help their situation.

They may get their jobs back but it's going to be a fight.

They'll need their certificates back first!

 

[Scope out RJ's]

-Surely you jest...

-fighter jests are one scary bitch, they can kid yuo right out of the sky.

-Acerbic, yes?

Yes, ladies and gentlemen, this is the result of when a brother and sister reproduce!
Incest was best in the crj567 household!

You should see what this kid will do for $5!!!!!!!!!!!!!:laugh:

 

[starchkr]

Question on the NWA guys...what arrival were they flying into MSP that evening?

 

[KigAir]

Once the NWA guys lost their tickets, were they eligible for unemployment checks?

 

[piav8r]

Question on the NWA guys...what arrival were they flying into MSP that evening?

I would guess the SKETR 3... seems like the most likely from that direction, plus the final course toward the last point is an easterly heading, which would make sense if the FMS in the bus was set up to go to Heading mode when passing the last "known" waypoint...

 

[Tanker Clown]

I wouldn't be suprised at all to see these guys keep their jobs. Delta basically has no standards anymore. The company is just happy that there are guys who are willing to work cheap. Anyone at Delta with any talent has long since left for jobs with a liveable wage.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

I would guess the SKETR 3... seems like the most likely from that direction, plus the final course toward the last point is an easterly heading, which would make sense if the FMS in the bus was set up to go to Heading mode when passing the last "known" waypoint...

Agree, most flights from the southwest are assigned the the SKETR3 into MSP.

 

[starchkr]

I would guess the SKETR 3... seems like the most likely from that direction, plus the final course toward the last point is an easterly heading, which would make sense if the FMS in the bus was set up to go to Heading mode when passing the last "known" waypoint...

i figured as much but of course i didn't know for sure. That arrival has a heading after the last fix of 120, so did they fly past the airport in that direction? I thought they continued more east or northeast than southeast. I know that arrival if flown as depicted would keep the bus in NAV mode and no aural sounds would be heard after final fix passage... Oh sorry, just kinda thinkin' to myself as i type this up as to the different arrivals and fix passages in the bus and when it goes into HDG mode. I know if they passed a fix on an arrival that ended said arrival that it would revert to HDG mode and give the triple click which would grab your attention, but if the arrival has a hdg after the fix it will never revert to HDG but fly said hdg forever essentially, in NAV mode.

Ok, cool, thanks, just curious that's all.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

i figured as much but of course i didn't know for sure. That arrival has a heading after the last fix of 120, so did they fly past the airport in that direction? I thought they continued more east or northeast than southeast. I know that arrival if flown as depicted would keep the bus in NAV mode and no aural sounds would be heard after final fix passage... Oh sorry, just kinda thinkin' to myself as i type this up as to the different arrivals and fix passages in the bus and when it goes into HDG mode. I know if they passed a fix on an arrival that ended said arrival that it would revert to HDG mode and give the triple click which would grab your attention, but if the arrival has a hdg after the fix it will never revert to HDG but fly said hdg forever essentially, in NAV mode.

Ok, cool, thanks, just curious that's all.

Here's another thought...

If there was no runway programmed into the FMS along with the SKETR3, would the FMS cue to the 120 heading or just continue flying the heading that was in-line with the last two fixes on the arrival?

I don't have the arrival in front of me, but I'd bet you'd just go sailing off to the east in HDG? or ROLL? (I know practically nothing about airbii) mode inline with the arrival course without a runway programmed in.

 

[Flightdawg]

Anyone ever find out or calculate how much NWA/DAL MSP had after landing?

 

[starchkr]

Here's another thought...

If there was no runway programmed into the FMS along with the SKETR3, would the FMS cue to the 120 heading or just continue flying the heading that was in-line with the last two fixes on the arrival?

I don't have the arrival in front of me, but I'd bet you'd just go sailing off to the east in HDG? or ROLL? (I know practically nothing about airbii) mode inline with the arrival course without a runway programmed in.

Speaking without any knowledge of the box they use in their birds, i truly do not know if that would make a difference or not. I know that the Thales box will fly a complete arrival without having a runway in there and then continue on the last heading between fixes if there is no heading assignment on the arrival(with the triple click aural warning for the downgrade), or the heading that is assigned on the arrival itself. In the case of the SKETR it has a 120 heading after the last fix so the bus will fly off into oblivion on that heading (at least with the Thales box). I don't know, i just think that had this arrival not had a heading after the last fix that their attention would have been drawn to the downgrade with the triple click...a flaw in the arrival maybe, at least with the automation on the bus.