Dixie Chicks plane mishap (they're OK)

[TonyC]

To imply that the right of free speech ends when outside of US soil is abject nonsense. Where did you get this idea?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe there is a First Amendment in Iraq, China, Afghanistan, France, or even in jolly ole England. Abject nonsense?? LOL Better save that characterization for something that fits.

... a "proper ambassador" will excercise their constitutional rights in foreign countries ...

ROFL While I'm tempted to say "abject nonsense" I'll settle for downright silly. What constitutional rights do you have in a foreign country? OK, let me help you here. Take the tip of your index finger, and touch it to the tip of your thumb. OK, now look through that little circle formed and read the answer. How many Constitutional rights do you have in England? ZERO! RIGHTTTT! Gooooood job.

"aiding and abetting the enemy" (Not that it matters where this took place) This concert was in London England. Since when is England considered "the enemy"?

I'll assume that you've had little military training, NO survival training, and you'd last about half a milisecond in a POW situation. ANYTHING that motivates the enemy to attack or continue to attack our soldiers is "aiding and abetting" them and their cause. Badmouthing the President, Commander-in-chief, and prosecutor of the war agaisnt terrorism does just that to the cause of terrorism. Does that mean we all have to agree with him and shower him with affectionate praise? Of course not. But we can lodge our disagreements in a far more appropriate forum and effective means than slamming him at a concert.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Bunch of overweight, uneducated half-wits...

Hey! You leave Rush and his fans out of this!

 

[KigAir]

Our local Tee Vee News station reported that the plane hit a building while landing. heheheh

 

[FL000]

Chicks to break with country scene

Chicks to break with country scene

The Dixie Chicks say they don't want to be a country music band any more.

Violinist Martie Maguire told Spiegel magazine: "We don't feel part of the country scene any longer, it can't be our home any more."

She said she was disappointed other country singers didn't back up the Dixie Chicks in their criticism of George W Bush's politics on Iraq.

"A few weeks ago, Merle Haggard said a couple of nice words about us, but that was it," Maguire complained.

"The support we got came from others, like Bruce Springsteen."

Going home empty-handed from the Country Awards ceremony also made them decide to break with the scene, Maguire said.

"Instead, we won three Grammys against much stronger competition.

"So we now consider ourselves part of the big Rock 'n' Roll family."

 

[bigD]

Personally, I'm surprised this even made the news. It's not like they were in some horrifying accident.

My theory is that the fat Dixie Chick created a region of stong gravitational force that bent the surrounding light - therefore causing the pilot to misjudge the distance between the wing and hangar.

 

[Thrust Master]

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I know for a fact, I wouldn't waste one piece
of Baby Batter to fill there grave had they died...

 

[Freightdog75]

They fukn suck!!!

My .02

FD75

 

[VivaZapata]

Tony C

"Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe there is a First Amendment in Iraq, China, Afghanistan, France, or even in jolly ole England. Abject nonsense?? LOL Better save that characterization for something that fits"

I never said that we have first amendment rights in these places. I DID say that free speech is not prohibitted, nor should we be by the United States regardless of where we are. Perhaps I oversimplified in my post when I said that excercising free speech within the confines of the laws of other countries is prudent. This means that our free speech is not limited by the laws (nor unwritten ethics) of the UNITED STATES when US citizens are in foreign countries. You are the one that put it in the context of free speech being accountable to the US in said form. Remember?

"To go to a foreign country and tell a large concert audience that you're ashamed of your President is despicable behavior -- grossly irresponsible. Doing such amounts to nothing less than aiding and abetting the enemy."

This is still abject nonsense and the characterization stands.



"ROFL While I'm tempted to say "abject nonsense" I'll settle for downright silly. What constitutional rights do you have in a foreign country? OK, let me help you here. Take the tip of your index finger, and touch it to the tip of your thumb. OK, now look through that little circle formed and read the answer. How many Constitutional rights do you have in England? ZERO! RIGHTTTT! Gooooood job."

See above.

"I'll assume that you've had little military training, NO survival training, and you'd last about half a milisecond in a POW situation. ANYTHING that motivates the enemy to attack or continue to attack our soldiers is "aiding and abetting" them and their cause. Badmouthing the President, Commander-in-chief, and prosecutor of the war agaisnt terrorism does just that to the cause of terrorism. Does that mean we all have to agree with him and shower him with affectionate praise? Of course not. But we can lodge our disagreements in a far more appropriate forum and effective means than slamming him at a concert

I'll assume that you may have had too much military training or watched too much GI Joe. If you liken the opinion of the friggin Dixie Chicks being expressed at a concert in England to aiding and abetting the enemy, or somehow in resistance to Bush's (as if he is doing any good) so-called "war on terrorism", I will have have to assume that you pulled that idea from some sort of orifice. You're drawing connections that just don't exist.

Got it now? Gooood!

Shame on Bush. Dixie Chicks, slam on!

 

[TonyC]

Right of Free Speech?

To imply that the right of free speech ends when outside of US soil is abject nonsense. Where did you get this idea?

OK. Let me simplify this for you. What rights do you have while you're in England? Where do those rights come from? (Please pardon the dangling particple.)

I'll assume that you may have had too much military training or watched too much GI Joe. If you liken the opinion of the friggin Dixie Chicks being expressed at a concert in England to aiding and abetting the enemy, or somehow in resistance to Bush's (as if he is doing any good) so-called "war on terrorism", I will have have [sic] to assume that you pulled that idea from some sort of orifice.

Some people just don't get it... some people just never will....

::: sigh :::

Lemme guess. You probably also think it was OK for Clinton to go to Europe and badmouth our nation as we prosecuted the war in Viet Nam, and you also approve of Jane Fonda's actions in North Viet Nam (ala visiting POWs, posing in tanks, etc., etc., etc.).

Proud to be an American, aren't ya?

 

[WrightAvia]

Since when did someone else's constitutional right to free speech, mean that you HAD to like or dislike them or what they said?

As long as women don't interupt men while they are having a conversation with other men, or while they are listening to the radio, or watching a game on the tele, or reading the paper...who cares what they say, so long as they got eggs jiggling in a frying pan in one hand and a broom in the other.

 

[VivaZapata]

Let me make this simple for you. As far as the USA ( that is United States of America), there is NO prohibitted criticism, domestic or abroad.

[/QUOTE]Some people just don't get it... some people just never will....[/QUOTE]

Yep, you said it, I agree. "SOME" continue to be satisfied to live like cattle. hmm

Proud to be an American, aren't ya?

Pride is insidious to patriotism. You may buy into the idea of blind patriotism. I do not.

 

[flywithastick]

Yep, you said it, I agree. "SOME" continue to be satisfied to live like cattle. hmm

and some live their lives obsessed with what other (people and countries) think about them.

Pride is indsidious to patriotism. You may buy into the idea of blind patriotism. I do not

I'm assuming this was a typo and meant "insidious". If this is the case, you are wrong. Pride does not always mean blind or mindless obedience. Sometimes, maybe. Always, absolutley not.

 

[VivaZapata]

If this is the case, you are wrong. Pride does not always mean blind or mindless obedience. Sometimes, maybe. Always, absolutley not.

Sure, it does not always mean unconditional obediance, this is merely one of the many symptoms of pride. This emotion is currently played by spinmeisters to subjugate the masses into going along with the moronic 'Patriot Act' or the 'War on Terrorism' etc.. The bumper sticker "Power of Pride" is only correct in the sense that it can be used as a tool for manipulation.

Pride only has a place (a small one (sometimes)) in individual lives, not in nationalism.

 

[TonyC]

Cattle? ROFL

Let me make this simple for you. As far as the USA ( that is United States of America),...

I'm so glad you cleared that up for us. I was thinking perhaps USA was a remote district of southern Taiwan.

... there is NO prohibitted (sic) criticism, domestic or abroad.

You're so close to the truth it's scary. The US prohibits nothing abroad, because US law applies only to the US and its territories. Last time I checked, England ain't one of 'em!

You've chosen to ignore my questions. What rights do you have while you're in England? Where do those rights come from?

I also noticed you didn't bother to quibble with my thoughts about you and Clinton and Fonda. Do they qualify in your mind as "Patriots?"

 

[VivaZapata]

You've chosen to ignore my questions. What rights do you have while you're in England? Where do those rights come from?

Yes, I did ignore your questions. Why you ask? Because I never said that a citizen of the US had any "rights" in England. In other words, I didn't answer your questions because they are inapplicable.

I also noticed you didn't bother to quibble with my thoughts about you and Clinton and Fonda. Do they qualify in your mind as "Patriots?"

Again, inapplicable. However, to entertain you, yes Clinton's avoiding the draft was patriotic. He stood for what he believed and expressed his opinion.

I'm so glad you cleared that up for us. I was thinking perhaps USA was a remote district of southern Taiwan.

.."for us"? No. I was clearing it up for you.

The US prohibits nothing abroad, because US law applies only to the US and its territories.

Exactly my point. Initially, you suggested that it ought to be otherwise. If the Dixie Chicks were actually "aiding and abetting the enemy" (as you suggested), that would be a legal violation. However, since this suggestion is utterly preposterous, they didn't break any laws.

In so far as the US is concerned, free speech is not conditional on your location...... nor should it be.

I cannot make it any more simple for you. I'm finished with this thread.

Toodles

 

[Typhoon1244]

Um...if I may, it was the Dixie Chicks, f'Chris'sake. As far as I know, nothing they said caused the economy to slump, no soldiers died, and the Earth's orbit is still steady.

Tim Robbins, Natalie Mains, Martin Sheen, Sean Penn...does anybody really think they're having a profound effect on world politics?

If you guys had ignored the whole Dixie Chicks thing--instead of burning records and making a big deal about it on T.V.--nobody'd have noticed. Just don't buy any more albums and be done with it.