Dirty Tricks From Whipsaw City, Act II

[Photoflight]

You know as pilots we are not allowed to do outside commercial flying as it is competing

That's never been a thing anywhere I've ever flown for.

 

[jonjuan]

You know as pilots we are not allowed to do outside commercial flying as it is competing with our employers ...

But our employers are able to compete against us? By purchasing other commercial flying concerns?

No ones stopping you from being a Starbucks barista on your days off.

 

[gunfyter]

No ones stopping you from being a Starbucks barista on your days off.

Of course they do ... no guns allowed

 

[CL300Pilot]

So, I have a question for those at Options who "can't wait to staple" flex pilots to your seniority list. While I realize the comment I made above is a limited group of the outspoken, why would you want the same size group as yours currently to be sucked in knowing that 60 to 70% of them don't want to be part of a union and would be so angry over it that it would throw an almost immediate move to decertify the 1108? Also, didn't your union vote barely pass or was that CS? If it did barely pass, why would you think that the group at Flex, who by the way on 3 or 4 separate occasions said no thanks to even bringing it to a vote, would not move to decertify?

Dog is correct. We all just need to watch and see what happens. Based on you scope clause, the fact that Flex is not an air carrier and the fact that it is DAC who bought us and not Options just solidifies my personal opinion that we, as KR stated, will continue to be operated separately as companies.

Only time will tell who is correct or not. However, I will, gladly buy an adult beverage for our new "brothers/sisters in law."

 

[shanes123]

So, I have a question for those at Options who "can't wait to staple" flex pilots to your seniority list. While I realize the comment I made above is a limited group of the outspoken, why would you want the same size group as yours currently to be sucked in knowing that 60 to 70% of them don't want to be part of a union and would be so angry over it that it would throw an almost immediate move to decertify the 1108? Also, didn't your union vote barely pass or was that CS? If it did barely pass, why would you think that the group at Flex, who by the way on 3 or 4 separate occasions said no thanks to even bringing it to a vote, would not move to decertify?

Dog is correct. We all just need to watch and see what happens. Based on you scope clause, the fact that Flex is not an air carrier and the fact that it is DAC who bought us and not Options just solidifies my personal opinion that we, as KR stated, will continue to be operated separately as companies.


You Sir are in for a rude awakening. I dont know how Flex MGT operates but im guessing your quality of life and CULTure is about to change dramatically..I was never a Union supporter but this MGT made me a believer..You are in for a tailspin that you will not be able to recover. And theres 3 types of pilots at Flops 1. the asskissers 2. to scared to tell you there true feelings for fear of retribution ( because its happened) 3. the ones that wont be intimidated and dont kiss ass. those are few..Good Luck

 

[FRACTRASH]

How does a letter dated in 2014 have any credibility? It doesn't change the facts. I'm out of the Limo with wings business. Ladies, this is why I wanted no part of the Teamsters. It becomes a game between management and employees. I don't like playing games. Good luck to us all. NJ Pilots look out, it's now a race to the bottom.

 

[V1 Rotate]

You know as pilots we are not allowed to do outside commercial flying as it is competing with our employers ...

But our employers are able to compete against us? By purchasing other commercial flying concerns?

Flexjet couldn't care less how much contract flying we do so long as 1) You don't call in sick to do it 2) You don't ask for time off and then go do contract flying 3) You notify the company of the amount of time you log doing the contract work. Lots of our guys, including myself at times, have some contract work going on the side.

 

[chief9404]

So, I have a question for those at Options who "can't wait to staple" flex pilots to your seniority list. While I realize the comment I made above is a limited group of the outspoken, why would you want the same size group as yours currently to be sucked in knowing that 60 to 70% of them don't want to be part of a union and would be so angry over it that it would throw an almost immediate move to decertify the 1108? Also, didn't your union vote barely pass or was that CS? If it did barely pass, why would you think that the group at Flex, who by the way on 3 or 4 separate occasions said no thanks to even bringing it to a vote, would not move to decertify?

Dog is correct. We all just need to watch and see what happens. Based on you scope clause, the fact that Flex is not an air carrier and the fact that it is DAC who bought us and not Options just solidifies my personal opinion that we, as KR stated, will continue to be operated separately as companies.

Only time will tell who is correct or not. However, I will, gladly buy an adult beverage for our new "brothers/sisters in law."

I recall when NJ got their contract the Flex Jet Mgt stepped up and gave their pilots a decent raise. They did the right thing. Flex Jet Mgt never gave the pilots the need for a union. On the other hand, the Flops pilots got ******************** on. Therefore Flops got the union they deserved.

The benefits you are currently receiving from Bombardier will be taken away. Count on it. Before long a group of pilots from Flex will approach the 1108 to organize the Flex pilots.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Flexjet couldn't care less how much contract flying we do so long as 1) You don't call in sick to do it 2) You don't ask for time off and then go do contract flying 3) You notify the company of the amount of time you log doing the contract work. Lots of our guys, including myself at times, have some contract work going on the side.

It's the same for NJ. Except you have to have each operator you wish to fly for approved by Labor Relations (and NO 135 flying).

 

[jetwash]

So, I have a question for those at Options who "can't wait to staple" flex pilots to your seniority list. While I realize the comment I made above is a limited group of the outspoken, Yes very limited plus there is a law that prevents this from happeningwhy would you want the same size group as yours currently to be sucked in knowing that 60 to 70% of them don't want to be part of a union and would be so angry over it that it would throw an almost immediate move to decertify the 1108?When the changes start with your scheduling and benefits to bring you in line with his other pilots I am sure they will consider forming a union just to keep the status quo at least since then he won't be able to touch your pay Also, didn't your union vote barely pass or was that CS?It was CS If it did barely pass, why would you think that the group at Flex, who by the way on 3 or 4 separate occasions said no thanks to even bringing it to a vote, would not move to decertify?Like I said before when the changes start forming a union will let you keep the status quo and he won't be able to cut your pay by law. If there is no union then he will decide if you are worth $50k per year more then a FO pilot while flying less hours per month

Dog is correct. We all just need to watch and see what happens. Based on you scope clause, the fact that Flex is not an air carrier and the fact that it is DAC who bought us and not Options just solidifies my personal opinion that we, as KR stated, will continue to be operated separately as companies. did you read the LOA between the IBT and Directional? As long as you don't do any fractional flying or jet card flying you might be OK. most of the LOA's in the contract are between Flght Options and the IBT except the Scope one which is between Directional and the IBT so if Direction owns a company that does fractional fly or jet cards it is covered.

Only time will tell who is correct or not. However, I will, gladly buy an adult beverage for our new "brothers/sisters in law.No problem lets put it on the company card . BTW we won't be brothers or sisters just w************************* working for the same pimp imp:"

Good luck to all of us

 

[Praetorian]

How does a letter dated in 2014 have any credibility?

I know. Why can't they just talk about stuff that's happening now. I hate that.

 

[V1 Rotate]

I know. Why can't they just talk about stuff that's happening now. I hate that.

You'd also think that a man who just spent $185M would know that it's "Flexjet" and not "Flex Jet."

 

[gunfyter]

Maybe he is changing the name

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Its not his money. Looks like another roll of the dice. RTA all over again.

 

[BE40Driver]

Status quo?

Originally Posted by CL300Pilot
So, I have a question for those at Options who "can't wait to staple" flex pilots to your seniority list. While I realize the comment I made above is a limited group of the outspoken, Yes very limited plus there is a law that prevents this from happeningwhy would you want the same size group as yours currently to be sucked in knowing that 60 to 70% of them don't want to be part of a union and would be so angry over it that it would throw an almost immediate move to decertify the 1108?When the changes start with your scheduling and benefits to bring you in line with his other pilots I am sure they will consider forming a union just to keep the status quo at least since then he won't be able to touch your pay Also, didn't your union vote barely pass or was that CS?It was CS If it did barely pass, why would you think that the group at Flex, who by the way on 3 or 4 separate occasions said no thanks to even bringing it to a vote, would not move to decertify?Like I said before when the changes start forming a union will let you keep the status quo and he won't be able to cut your pay by law. (there is the union koolaid lie. Been there done that not true till a contract.If there is no union then he will decide if you are worth $50k per year more then a FO pilot while flying less hours per month

Dog is correct. We all just need to watch and see what happens. Based on you scope clause, the fact that Flex is not an air carrier and the fact that it is DAC who bought us and not Options just solidifies my personal opinion that we, as KR stated, will continue to be operated separately as companies. did you read the LOA between the IBT and Directional? As long as you don't do any fractional flying or jet card flying you might be OK. most of the LOA's in the contract are between Flght Options and the IBT except the Scope one which is between Directional and the IBT so if Direction owns a company that does fractional fly or jet cards it is covered.

Only time will tell who is correct or not. However, I will, gladly buy an adult beverage for our new "brothers/sisters in law.No problem lets put it on the company card . BTW we won't be brothers or sisters just w************************* working for the same pimp "