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Dirty Tricks From Whipsaw City, Act II

FRACTRASH

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How does a letter dated in 2014 have any credibility? It doesn't change the facts. I'm out of the Limo with wings business. Ladies, this is why I wanted no part of the Teamsters. It becomes a game between management and employees. I don't like playing games. Good luck to us all. NJ Pilots look out, it's now a race to the bottom.
 

V1 Rotate

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You know as pilots we are not allowed to do outside commercial flying as it is competing with our employers ...

But our employers are able to compete against us? By purchasing other commercial flying concerns?

Flexjet couldn't care less how much contract flying we do so long as 1) You don't call in sick to do it 2) You don't ask for time off and then go do contract flying 3) You notify the company of the amount of time you log doing the contract work. Lots of our guys, including myself at times, have some contract work going on the side.
 

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So, I have a question for those at Options who "can't wait to staple" flex pilots to your seniority list. While I realize the comment I made above is a limited group of the outspoken, why would you want the same size group as yours currently to be sucked in knowing that 60 to 70% of them don't want to be part of a union and would be so angry over it that it would throw an almost immediate move to decertify the 1108? Also, didn't your union vote barely pass or was that CS? If it did barely pass, why would you think that the group at Flex, who by the way on 3 or 4 separate occasions said no thanks to even bringing it to a vote, would not move to decertify?

Dog is correct. We all just need to watch and see what happens. Based on you scope clause, the fact that Flex is not an air carrier and the fact that it is DAC who bought us and not Options just solidifies my personal opinion that we, as KR stated, will continue to be operated separately as companies.

Only time will tell who is correct or not. However, I will, gladly buy an adult beverage for our new "brothers/sisters in law."


I recall when NJ got their contract the Flex Jet Mgt stepped up and gave their pilots a decent raise. They did the right thing. Flex Jet Mgt never gave the pilots the need for a union. On the other hand, the Flops pilots got ******************** on. Therefore Flops got the union they deserved.

The benefits you are currently receiving from Bombardier will be taken away. Count on it. Before long a group of pilots from Flex will approach the 1108 to organize the Flex pilots.
 

gutshotdraw

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Flexjet couldn't care less how much contract flying we do so long as 1) You don't call in sick to do it 2) You don't ask for time off and then go do contract flying 3) You notify the company of the amount of time you log doing the contract work. Lots of our guys, including myself at times, have some contract work going on the side.

It's the same for NJ. Except you have to have each operator you wish to fly for approved by Labor Relations (and NO 135 flying).
 

jetwash

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So, I have a question for those at Options who "can't wait to staple" flex pilots to your seniority list. While I realize the comment I made above is a limited group of the outspoken, Yes very limited plus there is a law that prevents this from happeningwhy would you want the same size group as yours currently to be sucked in knowing that 60 to 70% of them don't want to be part of a union and would be so angry over it that it would throw an almost immediate move to decertify the 1108?When the changes start with your scheduling and benefits to bring you in line with his other pilots I am sure they will consider forming a union just to keep the status quo at least since then he won't be able to touch your pay Also, didn't your union vote barely pass or was that CS?It was CS If it did barely pass, why would you think that the group at Flex, who by the way on 3 or 4 separate occasions said no thanks to even bringing it to a vote, would not move to decertify?Like I said before when the changes start forming a union will let you keep the status quo and he won't be able to cut your pay by law. If there is no union then he will decide if you are worth $50k per year more then a FO pilot while flying less hours per month

Dog is correct. We all just need to watch and see what happens. Based on you scope clause, the fact that Flex is not an air carrier and the fact that it is DAC who bought us and not Options just solidifies my personal opinion that we, as KR stated, will continue to be operated separately as companies. did you read the LOA between the IBT and Directional? As long as you don't do any fractional flying or jet card flying you might be OK. most of the LOA's in the contract are between Flght Options and the IBT except the Scope one which is between Directional and the IBT so if Direction owns a company that does fractional fly or jet cards it is covered.

Only time will tell who is correct or not. However, I will, gladly buy an adult beverage for our new "brothers/sisters in law.No problem lets put it on the company card ;). BTW we won't be brothers or sisters just w************************* working for the same pimp :pimp:"

Good luck to all of us
 

BE40Driver

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Status quo?

Originally Posted by CL300Pilot
So, I have a question for those at Options who "can't wait to staple" flex pilots to your seniority list. While I realize the comment I made above is a limited group of the outspoken, Yes very limited plus there is a law that prevents this from happeningwhy would you want the same size group as yours currently to be sucked in knowing that 60 to 70% of them don't want to be part of a union and would be so angry over it that it would throw an almost immediate move to decertify the 1108?When the changes start with your scheduling and benefits to bring you in line with his other pilots I am sure they will consider forming a union just to keep the status quo at least since then he won't be able to touch your pay Also, didn't your union vote barely pass or was that CS?It was CS If it did barely pass, why would you think that the group at Flex, who by the way on 3 or 4 separate occasions said no thanks to even bringing it to a vote, would not move to decertify?Like I said before when the changes start forming a union will let you keep the status quo and he won't be able to cut your pay by law. (there is the union koolaid lie. Been there done that not true till a contract.If there is no union then he will decide if you are worth $50k per year more then a FO pilot while flying less hours per month

Dog is correct. We all just need to watch and see what happens. Based on you scope clause, the fact that Flex is not an air carrier and the fact that it is DAC who bought us and not Options just solidifies my personal opinion that we, as KR stated, will continue to be operated separately as companies. did you read the LOA between the IBT and Directional? As long as you don't do any fractional flying or jet card flying you might be OK. most of the LOA's in the contract are between Flght Options and the IBT except the Scope one which is between Directional and the IBT so if Direction owns a company that does fractional fly or jet cards it is covered.

Only time will tell who is correct or not. However, I will, gladly buy an adult beverage for our new "brothers/sisters in law.No problem lets put it on the company card . BTW we won't be brothers or sisters just w************************* working for the same pimp "
 

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So you're saying they already have a facilities plan for a transaction that hasn't even closed?

It's time to go to DEFCON 2.

Did you know they just renewed the lease and remodeled at the Waterview?

Maybe it means something maybe not.

That is a good sign your offices could be leaving. Remember, this is aviation. AT&T spent a lot of money renovating a hanger they didn't own only to move the company from San Antonio to Dallas. Of course, the renovated another hanger complex!

As a former FlexJetter I wish you all the best and hope the brand stays strong.
 

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The benefits you are currently receiving from Bombardier will be taken away. Count on it. Before long a group of pilots from Flex will approach the 1108 to organize the Flex pilots.

I'd guess Flex pilots will lose something after the sale, how much is the question.

I'd very surprised if any changes happened right away and shocked if the changes were so severe to start a campaign to join the IBT.

From what I've read, Flexjet organizing under the IBT will all but guarantee a single carrier lawsuit. IF the suit is successful, it would mean an immediate reduction in pay and benefits and a seniority list integration that might not be that favorable.

Let's let the lawyers from both sides settle it.

I'll just keep my resume current and fly my trips.
 

luckydog

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Better change your name to unlucky Dog...


So far... pretty lucky. I'm in the position of about to lose instead of having already lost.

I'm not a kool aid drinker, far from it. I don't things will get better after the sale but I also don't think things will be as bad as the FLOPs contract for at least a few years.
 

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So far... pretty lucky. I'm in the position of about to lose instead of having already lost.

I'm not a kool aid drinker, far from it. I don't things will get better after the sale but I also don't think things will be as bad as the FLOPs contract for at least a few years.

By all means don't do anything before it gets bad!
 

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Has FLOPS indicated whether they are going to extend your contract one more year or not? End of the month is tomorrow.
 

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They already extended it. They even announced it early. They couldn't wait to give us the bad news that they were going to keep us 40% underpaid with no 401K match. Lets face it, the economy is getting better and they couldn't even use that as an excuse this time as the reason for the extension. There is absolutely no reason to not at least bring our 401K match back. He has immediately done that to any mechanics that get transfered over to Constance. This should serve as a shining example to any Flex pilot that they will not do a thing for the pilots because it is simply the right way to treat your family. If they wanted to show a shred of fairness, they could have at least met us halfway and given us the 401k back. If you don't have it in a contract, don't expect you are going to keep it.
 

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By all means don't do anything before it gets bad!

You are one of the stupid pilots I referenced in a earlier post! "Don't do anything before it gets bad".. Don't buy fire insurance until after your house burns down. Don't put your hands up until after someone punches you in the face. That's some real good advice your giving Dimeline..think you must have smoked a Dime..maybe you should change your name to dime bag!!!!
 

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Dude- Dime Line's post was sarcasm and it went completely over your head.
 

DirtyBeech

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The Waterview remodel was underway long before this was a twinkle in Ricci's eye. It needed to be done.
 
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