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"I'm going to tell you right now, Gerry, the deal is simply this. I'm up to the edge of the cliff, I'm looking over, I'm not blinking. This contract is rejected. We're striking. The Delta pilots will strike. We'll deal with you in a business manner. We will not deal with you under pressure. We will not blink. I do not blink."



This was at the hearing a couple days ago. Our MEC chair was on the stand and the CEO in the audience. It will get interesting.



Bye Bye--General Lee
 
3BCat said:

Again, nothing new here. Management refuses to negotiate. If they so desparately want a deal, they should negotiate one. Management is exploiting the pilot group and everyone knows it. Of course management will paint the bleakest picture possible to convince the uninformed - that's their job and they will be bonused against it. I just heard a news story that stated that the airline business could actually profit considerably in the next year or two due to lower capacity (more high yield seats) and expected pension liability reductions. Never any mention of those positive forecasts...



Delta needs pilot deal, won't survive strike, Grinstein emphasizes

Tuesday March 21, 2006
Delta Air Lines needs to have a cost-saving agreement with its pilots soon, CEO Gerald Grinstein said yesterday."They have to reach that agreement. We have got to get that done by late spring," he told ATWOnline in Atlanta. Delta wants pay and benefit reductions and efficiency improvements valued in excess of $315 million per year from its Air Line Pilots Assn. unit, which has offered $115 million on top of $1 billion in givebacks provided in 2004 (ATWOnline, Feb. 13).
The carrier is seeking to have the current pilot contract thrown out under Section 1113 of the US Bankruptcy Code. The two sides agreed to arbitrate the company's motion but the pilots have threatened to strike if the arbitrator sides with management and the airline imposes a new contract.
On Monday, Grinstein warned that Delta "will not survive a 24-hour pilot strike." He also said concern over a strike already has had a negative effect on forward bookings but declined to quantify the impact. The arbitrator's decision is expected on or before April 15.
Assuming Delta and its pilots are able to reach agreement, Grinstein expects the company to emerge from bankruptcy "by summer 2007, 14 months from now." Around 70% of its $3 billion turnaround plan should be in place by year end, with some $1 billion coming from improvements on the network and management side. "Delta redeployed assets where it makes more sense," he said. For example, it is strengthening its position over the Atlantic with 50 daily flights this summer. International revenues as a share of total revenues should increase from 20% to around 35% by September.
Some $1 billion of savings are expected to come through new contracts with airports, suppliers, caterers and other vendors. The remaining $1 billion will be achieved through employee concessions and takeaways.

by Kurt Hofmann
 
And again, another side of the story

3BCat said:

Delta May Be In Better Shape Then Projected

Delta's five year plan starting in has already significantly reduced costs.
By Associated Press
Wednesday, March 22, 2006
(AP) _ A pilots union economic expert says Delta Air Lines is in better competitive shape than its executives portray.
The expert testified in an arbitration hearing yesterday that Delta has performed so well recently that it doesn't need any of the 325 (m) million dollars in cuts it is seeking from its pilots.



Do you think the creditors would allow liquidation before they could get a bundle on new stock? Ever see what happened to United? Their stock is over $40 right now. Ever thought of that? Management at UAL got 8% of the stock.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
General Lee said:
Delta May Be In Better Shape Then Projected

Delta's five year plan starting in has already significantly reduced costs.
By Associated Press
Wednesday, March 22, 2006
(AP) _ A pilots union economic expert says Delta Air Lines is in better competitive shape than its executives portray.
The expert testified in an arbitration hearing yesterday that Delta has performed so well recently that it doesn't need any of the 325 (m) million dollars in cuts it is seeking from its pilots.



Do you think the creditors would allow liquidation before they could get a bundle on new stock? Ever see what happened to United? Their stock is over $40 right now. Ever thought of that? Management at UAL got 8% of the stock.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Do you think the DAL management has bonuses tied to cost reductions? Yeah, I bet they do...
 
The strategic plan is to make everything look as bleak as possible, yet paint a rosy future, if only the pilots would stop being obstructionists and eat the sh*t sandwich like they're told to do.

This is all a setup to blame the pilots for the ultimate failure of Delta in the court of public opinion.

In the end, we know DALPA will settle and mangement will give them a good cover story. No way will they strike.

This is the same tired Kabuki Dance that's already been played out at US Air, UAL, and NWA.
 
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General Lee said:
Delta May Be In Better Shape Then Projected

Delta's five year plan starting in has already significantly reduced costs.
By Associated Press
Wednesday, March 22, 2006
(AP) _ A pilots union economic expert says Delta Air Lines is in better competitive shape than its executives portray.
The expert testified in an arbitration hearing yesterday that Delta has performed so well recently that it doesn't need any of the 325 (m) million dollars in cuts it is seeking from its pilots.

Any mention of what facts he's basing this assertion on?
 
On Your Six said:
Do you think the DAL management has bonuses tied to cost reductions? Yeah, I bet they do...

I'll also bet they are buried in there somewhere. ALPA's problem is they never uncover any of this stuff until after the fact.
 
Draginass said:
The strategic plan is to make everything look as bleak as possible, yet paint a rosy future, if only the pilots would stop being obstructionists and eat the sh*t sandwich like they're told to do.

This is all a setup to blame the pilots for the ultimate failure of Delta in the court of public opinion.

In the end, we know DALPA will settle and mangement will give them a good cover story. No way will they strike.

This is the same tired Kabuki Dance that's already been played out at US Air, UAL, and NWA.

How can you be so sure? DAL management has not been willing to negotiate. If the contract is actually thrown out - all bets are off. Clearly the two parties need to get back to the table and look for a compromise. I wouldn't expect too much in terms of wage concessions without significant scope protection. This won't be a free ride for DAL management...
 
On Your Six said:
I wouldn't expect too much in terms of wage concessions without significant scope protection. This won't be a free ride for DAL management...



Oh yeah it will. They are most likely going to walk away with hundreds of millions of dollars in bonuses and stock options after the dust settles. Do you think they, as individuals, give a hoot about scope? I don't. These guys are corporate raiders, here for a couple years to loot the company and walk on to the next venture. I don't think any of these managers will even be around to see the first 190 delivery. They just want you to think it's crucial to have them at the express division so you will trade hard earned dollars to "secure" them at mainline. More cost savings for them mean more bonuses/options on the backside of CH 11.
 
tuna pimp said:
Any mention of what facts he's basing this assertion on?

Our own CFO stated on the stand that we had an "unexpected" windfall of an extra $400 million last quarter. Then our lawyer asked how we did in January, and the CFO stated we made a $25 million profit. FEB numbers aren't out yet. The expected loss coming up will mostly be due to BK costs and one time charges. Make sure you look at cash on hand.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
No stike. Us Duhlta pilots are as spineless as a jellyfish. I could careless about scope. I just want to keep my job.
 
General Leeast said:
I could careless about scope. I just want to keep my job.


joking right??? I'm sure Ornstein would love to put a fleet of 737's at Freedumb air. Although they would probably offer furloughed Dal pilots fo slots at $25/hr with a guarantee of 10 days off per month. Then the MEC could claim they did a good job securing jobs for their DAL brothers and sisters....!
 
I still think that it's an up hill battle for DAL. It's unfortunate because I have friends and family that work or have retired from DAL.

The pilot contract is only the tip of the iceberg. Even if the pilots sign where is Greenjeans going to get the financing necessary to exit ch11?

UAL had to put up $8.75 BILLION in assets just ot get a $3 billion dollar loan. DAL doesn't have $9 billion in collateral.

Collateral Overview: Up to $3,000 Million Senior Secured Credit Facility*
In $ Millions
96 Unencumbered Aircraft -$1,324
1997-1 EETC Aircraft*-$411
Spare Parts and Engines-$911
International Route Authorities (Pacific routes)-$2,407
Unrestricted Cash at Exit-$3,045
Other Assets**-$654

Total Collateral Including Cash- $8,752

The Collateral is appraised on a current market value (“CMV”) basis. CMV is defined as the appraiser’s opinion of the most likely trading price that will result in an open and unrestricted market for an individual asset, and is not the equivalent of liquidation value.
* The Facility will consist of a $300 million revolving credit facility and an up to $2,700 million term loan. See Summary of Terms and Conditions also filed as part of this Form 8-K for additional details.
** Other assets include ground equipment, domestic slots, Mileage Plus customer list, eligible accounts receivable, world headquarters complex, and Denver training center including most simulators.​

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Let the Deltoid's strike. We'll remember them the same way we remember Eastern. A forgone Legacy that was totally screwed by labor disputes. It will mean we have to deal with General Lee even more. Without a job that little nerd will be on the net 24/7. lol. Just a friendly jab at the lil General.
 
HarryParatestes said:
Let the Deltoid's strike. We'll remember them the same way we remember Eastern. A forgone Legacy that was totally screwed by labor disputes.
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Congratulations- you win the "Flight Info Village Idiot of the Week AWard" . . . . . .!

They were not screwed by Labor, they were screwed by Leo Mullin, the putz that took them from having $6 Billion in CASH to Chapt 11, and then left with $14 mil. for his "work".


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Ty hit the nail on the head....

Thank
[FONT=arial, verdana, helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=+1]Leo Mullin....[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=arial, verdana, helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]For making Atlanta ashamed of its hometown airline [/SIZE][/FONT]


[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-2]BY SCOTT HENRY [/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=arial, verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]OK, let's see if we've got this straight: If you're a CEO whose company is doing well, you need a big, fat raise to reward you for your leadership. And if you're a CEO whose company is doing poorly, you need a big, fat raise to make sure you don't jump ship. And if the company goes belly up under your watch, you need a big, fat pension to ensure that you won't have to sell off one of your vacation homes, like that poor Ken Lay had to do.
Call us naive, but we had actually hoped that last year's rash of corporate scandals -- with its rogue's gallery of discredited, greedy CEOs -- might actually spark some changes in America's boardrooms.
Does Leo Mullin realize how it looks to his own employees at Delta -- not to mention any American with a shred of decency -- when he decides to more than double his own pay to a ludicrous $13 million at the same time he's laying off thousands of workers, sending pilots home and poor-mouthing Congress to dole out more free taxpayer money to the airline industry? More to the point, does he give a cold ********************?
The answers to those questions would seem to be, respectively, yes and no. Yes, Mullin has an awareness of appearances. He volunteered to take a 10 percent reduction in salary -- by far the smallest part of his total compensation package -- in order to, as described in Delta's SEC filing, "demonstrate his commitment to share the burden of Delta's cost-reduction goals."
But, no, Mullin is not about to let appearances stand in the way of lining his own pockets -- not just now, but for years to come. Under his guidance, Delta just spent $25 million setting up trusts so its top executives will receive their pensions even if the company goes bankrupt. Pilots, meanwhile, would be stiffed.
As one more slap in the face, Mullin has been credited with 28 years of service at Delta, despite the fact that he's worked there only six. Even former Delta execs, in a January letter to Mullin dripping with outrage, have labeled this self-enrichment as "morally wrong." If this is the way American capitalism is supposed to work, it's little wonder that folks invented communism.
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We'll see how this goes.....

AP
Delta, Union Ordered to Start Negotiating
Thursday March 23, 7:15 pm ET
By Marcy Gordon, AP Business Writer Head of Arbitration Panel Orders Delta Air Lines, Pilots Union to Start Negotiating for Agreement
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The head of an arbitration panel on Thursday ordered the management and pilots union at Delta Air Lines Inc. to immediately begin negotiating for an agreement to avoid a collapse of the 77-year-old airline.

In a strikingly impassioned statement at the end of nine days of hearings before the three-person panel, its chairman Richard Bloch chastised both sides and warned them that "time is very much of the essence and failure ... is not an option."
The pilots union has promised to strike if Delta, which is operating under bankruptcy protection, is allowed to void its contract and impose up to $325 million in pay cuts. Company executives say that a strike would spell the demise of the nation's third-largest airline.
"Make no mistake: you both are responsible for this proceeding," Bloch said in the hotel meeting room where officials of Delta and the pilots union, and their attorneys, sat on opposite sides. If the two sides fail to reach accord and the panel is forced to rule on whether Delta can toss out its contract with the pilots, he said, "This will be an abandonment of responsibility that will, and should, haunt all of you."
"This is a shameful exercise by two groups who it appears have bargained successfully in fat times; but in hard times, the talk turns to nuclear options ...," Bloch said. "You need to begin today, tonight ... you need to get down to this privately now."
Each side, he said, "has within its power the ability to destroy this company."
They didn't plan to sit down immediately, but Delta's chief financial officer, Edward Bastian, said he expected negotiations to begin in a day or two.
"We're hoping to be able to get back to the table," Bastian told reporters after the hearing. "I would hope in the next few days we could start."
"We need to get this done. ... But it won't be easy," he said.
The head of Delta's pilots union, Lee Moak, said: "The ball is in the company's court. It takes two parties to negotiate and they haven't negotiated to this point. We'll see if the panel's words can bring them to the table willing to negotiate in good faith."
Unlike a court, the arbitration panel does not have the legal authority to order the two parties to negotiate, but Bloch said they should consider his statement -- agreed upon by the entire panel -- "an interim order of this arbitration panel."
The two sides had signaled earlier a hardening of their positions. Bastian rejected in his testimony Thursday the union's notion that the difference between the two sides' views -- pegged at $165 million -- is marginal and should be overcome.
Delta's troubled relations with its labor unions deepened, meanwhile, as its regional carrier, Comair Inc., planned to go into bankruptcy court Monday to ask a judge to throw out Comair's contract with its flight attendants so it can impose $8.9 million in pay cuts.
"We are in serious trouble as a company," Bastian said. Unable to borrow any more money to cover its mounting losses, without assets to pledge, any "event risk" such as a terrorist incident, spike in fuel prices or outbreak of bird flu could push the airline over the precipice, he warned.
"We're looking in every corner of this company to reduce costs," he testified, insisting that the pilots were not being unfairly singled out for sacrifice. "This battle for Delta's long-term success is going to take every dollar that we can find."
His remarks stood in contrast to Moak's testimony on Wednesday in which he said, "We should be working together. We shouldn't be fighting over a couple hundred million dollars."
Bastian called that "a very significant" amount, given that the airline has only "a razor-thin margin for error."
The company says that its plan for restructuring the airline calls for up to $325 million in long-term pay and benefit reductions for the pilots -- part of $3 billion in projected cost savings. Management has agreed to lower that to $305 million if the pilots union reaches an accord with the company. The union's plan for cost savings is valued at $140 million.
The Teamsters say that the proposed reductions for the Comair flight attendants would mean an average $10,500 loss per worker on an average salary of about $28,000 a year.
Comair, based in Erlanger, Ky., near Cincinnati, says the union representing about 1,000 flight attendants is the only labor group that has not agreed to concessions with the regional airline. Comair says it needs to cut costs by about $70 million overall to remain competitive. Also Thursday, Delta said it will be offering nonstop service from Atlanta to Wilmington, Del., to become the only carrier to offer service to all 50 states. Starting June 29, Delta Connection carrier Atlantic Southeast Airlines will add two daily nonstop flights between Atlanta and Wilmington.




Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Watch the DAL pilots talk strike and then settle for a NWA like TA.


Like it or not the pilots are cornered. Grinstein and the others have nothing to lose. Let DAL liquidate -- the pilots will take all the blame while all the MBAs go on to bigger and better things.
 
General Leeast said:
No stike. Us Duhlta pilots are as spineless as a jellyfish. I could careless about scope. I just want to keep my job.

I don't know what's more childish....the fact that you actually took the time to invent a screen name, or that you continue your flame bait!?
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harryparatestes said:
Let the Deltoid's strike. We'll remember them the same way we remember Eastern. A forgone Legacy that was totally screwed by labor disputes. It will mean we have to deal with General Lee even more. Without a job that little nerd will be on the net 24/7. lol. Just a friendly jab at the lil General.
You should go and re read history then....A legacy (EAL) was totally screwed by corrupt management.....A management team that is forbidden to be involved in the airline business!
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I'll believe it when I see it. There's always lots of posturing and pissing, but when crunch time comes around the "CHAOS" never appears. Multiple unions and multiple company's have threatened to walk off if they can't come to an agreement. The problem is that the unions end up caving before they reach that point and contracts don't get thrown out.

I say that if anybody is going to end up walking off the job, it will be the MESABA guys. Not the Delta pilots- despite what any DAL pilot might have to say, it's tough out there without a paycheck. You might not make that cush 200K paycheck anymore, but what you make now isn't chump change. You can argue all you want about folks "finding other careers"... but each of those that have jumped ship has generally taken that time to research that jump and prepare themselves to do so (education, savings, etc). Many folks that remain aren't ready, and know that if a strike should happen, they'll be sitting on the breadlines while they sort things out. (or worse... sitting in interviews for a $35/hr FO position)
 
Green said:
joking right??? I'm sure Ornstein would love to put a fleet of 737's at Freedumb air. Although they would probably offer furloughed Dal pilots fo slots at $25/hr with a guarantee of 10 days off per month. Then the MEC could claim they did a good job securing jobs for their DAL brothers and sisters....!


Good one man! I say it again, this profession has been over run by whores! Whores I tell you!

God Bless DALPA!
 

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