Difficult Airports

[pilotpat]

Ah....people on the ground bitchin about noise.....now I follow ya...that does suck

-mini

Mini - yeah its been about 6 months since I've been there, but look through the procedure and there are "gates" that you have to go through at certain DME's and Altitudes or else they bust on you. I was out there in a Diamondjet (read, not a lot of performance), and Departure was complaining cuz we weren't keeping 250 kts!! Either I make the gates or your speed - what would you like? I know what I'm gonna do!

Sled - SMO I only landed at from SFO and then airlined out of the area, but yeah - it certainly looked like a PITA noise abatement. Hmmm...you live near the airport yet complain about the noise..........go figure. Sounds like Naples, FL where I missed getting to go there in the Falcon 20 - I think they'd have had problems with us...ugg!

 

[avbug]

Oh...I get it - you're just sore cuz you don't have the special authorization for that ASE approach, aren't 'ya??!! HAHAHAHA - nanny nanny boo f'n boo. Care to make it 4555 idiot? :uzi:

Never needed it before...been flying there for years without any difficulty.

At least you come off sounding professional...that's the main thing. Sounds like it's all you've got going for you.

Be sure to write when you master basic English, will you?

 

[pilotpat]

Be sure to write me an apology d*$k when you call the FSDO and I prove you wrong.......HAHAHAHAHAA!! At least you're at 4557 now with that one - try landing at night bubba....HAHAHAHAAA!!

Oh...Master this...

 

[avbug]

You're quite the bright little conversationalist too, aren't you?

Professional and articulate. Folks must be lining up to hire you.

Once again, when you learn to speak English, let us know. Sounds like it will be quite an accomplishment. We'll throw you a party.

 

[pilotpat]

Well...pal...I've been working for the same company for 3 yrs & I've done quite well for myself. I don't care to be 'hired' anymore, so I honestly don't care what you think. I speak English quite well thank you, but simply bring myself down to a level that you can understand, sir.

Anyway - anyone else have any ugly airports they hate. Would love to hear about them instead of me bickering with this 'wanna be'...yes - my words. Sorry to all those really wanting to read an actual thread instead of someone who can't stand to be proven wrong. 4558 and counting - glad I'm working and don't have so many..................WTF do you do anyway? Oh, save it for another thread or PM me back like a man.

 

[LAXSaabdude]

As for airports where GA and airline traffic mix, the absolute worst (of the controlled fields at least) is SBP.... there is one Local controller there who is completely helpless when working aircraft with widely differing groundspeeds

I know exactly who you are talking about. Older guy, precedes every transmission with a lengthly "AAAAhhhhhmmmmmm", likes you to report at really odd distances "Report 4 and 3/4 mile final", and a typical scenario goes something like this....

"Cessna 12345 turn base, cleared to land"

(5 seconds later)

"Eagle 123, slow to your minimum approach speed, be prepared for a go-around."

I've gone around probably 4 times at SBP, every time with this guy in the tower.

LAXSaabdude.

 

[rice]

Fyi

I know I'm gonna regret this but....................
There are TWO Localizer approaches into KASE. The LOC/DME E (released recently) and the LOC/DME 15 which is what Pat has been talking about. The LOC/DME 15 is a SAAAR approach which has very defined training/currency requirements. BTW thias approach is about as AFU as they come. There are 11 (ELEVEN) exceptions to TERPs on this approach. Most are minor but some are fairly significant. The big thing that WILL KILL someone on this appproach is the required level of crew coordination. There is way to much tuning and twisting on this bad boy and it necessitates decent rates in excess of 1100 FPM or approximately a 4.55 degree glide slope until intercepting the PAPI (which incidently is a 3.5 degrees). I won't even go into the missed but suffice it to say it is very aggressive and requires the utmost attention and positive input or you WILL NOT out climb the terrain.
There is also another "special" approach in KASE. It is the GPS Z which IMHO is much more stable than the LOC/DME 15.
Pat, just curious, do you have a balked landing escape procedure for the possibility of having to go around after passing the MAP? Because executing the published missed after WULOP will not keep you clear of the rocks.
BTW, I believe I am operator # 23 to now be authorized for this and I'm hoping like h#ll to return it back to only 22.

 

[pilotpat]

Rice...I don't have the plate in front of me, but after WULOP you are committed if something goes awry...Actually, I will never find out because I will not shoot it to minimums anyway. We use it mostly for night time (yes avbugger - night time!) when its marginal.
However, thank you for mentioning the approach - its good to see that someone else knows of it.

hey avcrapper....nanny nanny boo boo choker

 

[Fred Rogers]

Well it's official.. the winner is.. Aspen. It seems like the regulars into that particular venue have a little higher blood pressure than most. ha ha J/K guys. It really is all in fun . I havn't had the pleasure of the tall Colorado escapes, in a Beechjet, Agcat, or even a 180hp C-150, but I look forward to checking it out if I ever work in that area.

 

[avbug]

....nanny nanny boo boo choker

Fly into the light, pilotpat. Fly into the light.

 

[Fred Rogers]

no seriously.. cant we be friends?
won't you be my neighbor?

 

[pilotpat]

Well it's official.. the winner is.. Aspen. It seems like the regulars into that particular venue have a little higher blood pressure than most. ha ha J/K guys. It really is all in fun . I havn't had the pleasure of the tall Colorado escapes, in a Beechjet, Agcat, or even a 180hp C-150, but I look forward to checking it out if I ever work in that area.

Fred, the only thing I can say is never be complacent about it and bring your A game when you fly there. Unless your some worthless apt named avbugger, then you bring your F game cuz you're so much better than everyone else that your A game would be God-like.

avbug = choker

 

[avbug]

Can't you find the light, little pat?

What, pray tell, is a choker?

 

[pilotpat]

What, pray tell, is a choker?

You are. A ..................

And...if you had simply PM'd me to end this stupid deal that's going on we wouldn't be having this discussion. So what? You didn't know that a special approach existed in ASE. Big deal. But instead of admitting that you were wrong, you had to go on the attack and ridicule me. Well...as I said in my PM to you (trying to keep it all private and not bore everyone with this idiocy), you make a grave mistake by continuing to provoke me.

the end

edited for language.

 

[pilotpat]

Anyone else wish to get back on track here??????

I seriously apologize to everyone who actually thought they were going to read about difficult airports and instead run into a couple grown ups acting like children. Yes, I am man enough to admit that I've been acting childish with av-idiot, however I have chosen to take that path and will live with the consequences.

Oh, and by the way, if you look at one of the 1st posts, I even said I respect his posts......but he couldn't admit when he was wrong.

So....back to difficult airports...Trois Riviers Quebec..............j/k

 

[avbug]

Continuing to provoke you?

You sound suspiciously like another poster here who has since been banned. He began threatening law suits, then making threats off the board, physical threats. His manner was very much like you. All worked up over words. Heaven forbid you get put in a position that is demanding of you.

Provoking you, am I?

Your incoherent ramblings ("....nanny nanny boo boo choker"), your threats ("you make a grave mistake by continuing to provoke me...that sir will be your demise."), and your insults ("a washed up wanna be has been who has no f'n life," etc) speak more about your true character than any other could contribute regarding you. You reveal yourself.

Threaten away oh rabid one.

 

[pilotpat]

Well..I think I've proven my point. However, you are the suspicious one - I'm not the other poster who has since been banned. I've always been pilotpat. Usually reading the posts with interest until I decided one day to respond to one - Oh, it was this one...go figure. Then, people who don't know squat about this particular approach begin telling me to update my Jepps (yeah, that was you avbug) and that I need to go to the light. Well, I'm so sorry to have troubled you with my being right on about the approach. NOW...please, since I have been proven correct about the incident can't you at least offer to admit you were wrong. And as I said before, I never threatened you in any fashion, simply stated that in a round about way - YOU will be the cause of your demise. Don't take my comments out of text for your own use.

 

[81Horse]

Did you two used to be married to each other?

 

[SCT]

Horse,

I was just thinking the same thing. Why don't you guys argue using PMs?

 

[81Horse]

PMs?

PMS -- that explains everything.