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VNugget said:
Funny, I knew exactly what photo would come up before I clicked the link :)

That makes two of us......................Great minds think alike

I still have the mental image of a DC-4 and a Neptune hauling ass out of a wall of smoke in a narrow canyon, with 500 (max) cielings (smoke cielings), after sundown while the "Grand Prix" and "Old" fires were merging. I didn't even expect to see Helo's flying, much less those beasts. As a kid my pops would take me to see them fly whenever there was a fire in the area, so I knew they had balls, but I was shocked..... ...........If only I had brought a camera. It would put the above picture to shame, although T-16 was working that fire so it very well could have been the same Neptune.

Before I die I am absolutely going to do that. I get a boner just thinking about that chit.
 
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As a duel rated pilot and a military fixed wing IP, I can say without a doubt that anything involving a helo is a much more challenging flight regime. Helo flying is pure stick and rudder, fixed is sometimes but never to the same extent. 121 involves being a voting member in the cockpit, nothing more, nothing less..
 
Those are awesome pics Nugget, especially the Helitack one. That shot reminds me of the nightly news tv footage I saw during the big San Diego fires of 2003, where the heat of the fire made its own wind whipped fire tornado columns on the ground.

It’s amazing what kinds of conditions these aerial firefighters fly in. It always makes me chuckle when I see other pilots question the rigors of the job, and the conditions they fly in. I guess some people’s actual aviation experience is more narrow, and others, more varied, more broad, maybe less boring with more action, as Cat Driver indicated.
 
Yeah that helo photo is just awesome. Not as in "awesome, duuude!" but awe-inspiring. The first time I saw it I stopped and just sat there taking it in for a minute... What I see when I look at it is an aircraft working right in the bowels of Hell, with its full fury raging all around. And it probably wasn't taken by a professional photographer setting up just the right conditions to make an artistic statement, but rather a quick snap looking into a very real scenario.
 
Yeah, very cool, great pic. They're not only flying low in some nasty fire and heat, but in hilly terrain, probably amongst other low fliying traffic, poor visibility due to smoke, and near power lines! Not exactly point to point flying!
 
Puhlease!

As a duel rated pilot and a military fixed wing IP, I can say without a doubt that anything involving a helo is a much more challenging flight regime. Helo flying is pure stick and rudder, fixed is sometimes but never to the same extent. 121 involves being a voting member in the cockpit, nothing more, nothing less..

Realizing this whole thread is circular, I've still got to respond to this. Dustydog, I don't disagree with your assessment of helo flying, but your 121 comments are just ignorant. Been there, done both. C'mon man.
 
I know at least one board member who believes that banner towing is the most dangerous activity known to man.

Fire flying involves circling about in the country, looking at the pretty fires and the big trees and burning squirrels, and waving back at all the nice men and women in in their crisp, yellow shirts as they enjoy a good hike on the hillside. A casual jaunt from the airport to the fire and back is a nice way to break up a dull morning or afternoon of laying under the wing waiting for a dispatch, and good preparation for the afternoon nap.

Ag flying involves gently maneuvering around various farm implements while providing needed chemicals and fertalizers to plants to help them grow. It provides an excellent opportunity to spend some relaxing time in the country, and to visit fields, trees and powerlines that you might not normally see. Ag flying is an excellent opportunity to practice stabilized approaches into big open wide fields that are devoid of circle irrigation, standpipes, tractors, and illegal power taps, while enjoying the pleasure of flying next to soft crops, furrows, and trees. Most of all, ag flying gives that warm fuzzy reward in one's heart, knowing one is free to give back to one's fellow mankind.

Flying in the back country is a wonderful opportunity to hunt deer with one's propeller, to test unimproved surfaces for compatatility with one's landing gear, and to occasionally go where no man has gone before. Or wanted to go before. Back country flying allows one to work on one's mental math skills, to contemplate philosophy, and to live free and unfettered from the clutches of the modern airspace system. Flying back country allows one to relax in the country while visiting roadless climes, while exposing one's self to the character building elements of extreme cold, heat, and wind from inside the luxuriously appointed interior of the finest Cessna 185's, 206's, and PA-18's that the industry has to offer. One can wake up in the dark hours and warm one's oil and then after a breakfast fit for a deposed king, lazily saw the snow and frost from one's upper wing using a tie down rope, while chewing a frozen donut.

Obviously none of you have ever given your mother in law a ride somewhere in an airplane. If you had, you'd know the true meaning of hell. Not that giving her the ride is difficult, but to fight one's inner demon, to hold back when every fiber of your being is telling you to shove her out the door and follow her down to a glorious splattering on the desert floor far from any whitnesses or prying eyes...just holding back and getting her safely to where ever it is the old bag is going to haunt...now that's perhaps the toughest flying one can ever do.
 
You crack me up, Bug! I started laughing at the 2nd paragraph and couldn't stop!
 
Now wait just one frickin' minute!

avbug said:
Obviously none of you have ever given your mother in law a ride somewhere in an airplane. If you had, you'd know the true meaning of hell. Not that giving her the ride is difficult, but to fight one's inner demon, to hold back when every fiber of your being is telling you to shove her out the door and follow her down to a glorious splattering on the desert floor far from any whitnesses or prying eyes...just holding back and getting her safely to where ever it is the old bag is going to haunt...now that's perhaps the toughest flying one can ever do.

I was a flight 'destructor' once.

I had one or two students that took me to the ragged edge of patience and self-restraint.
 
Hmmmm. Nobody has mentioned anything about airshow flying. In my young and stupid days of flying, I did just that. I had offers of flying Ag and would have, except I had a fear of parathion and parquat (sp?). I would have absolutley enjoyed flying fires. But get this, rolling an airplane on take-off is a thrill beyond belief.

www.bdkingpress.com
 
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BD King :

Airshow flying is mostly how we market our airplane in Europe, and it has become a mind bending headache producing bureaucratic nightmare. right now we are waiting for a part for the airplane and our next airshow booking is on May 21/22 somewhere in Holland I believe.

For every minute we spend in front of the crowd at the airport we spend an hour in pre show briefings and ongoing flight tests to hold the air display authorization...

The limits we are given are taken seriously and any mistake where you fly outside your box at the airport will result in real problems, more than once and you can kiss the authorization goodbye. Another hard part is the timing, we must be in place with a two minute window so everyone really has to be accurate or the whole airshow gets out of whack.

...the flying is easy the B.S. is tough.

Ahhh soon I may just say f.ck it and finish my PA11 Amphib clone and just fly for fun.

Cat Driver
 
avbug said:
Obviously none of you have ever given your mother in law a ride somewhere in an airplane. If you had, you'd know the true meaning of hell. Not that giving her the ride is difficult, but to fight one's inner demon, to hold back when every fiber of your being is telling you to shove her out the door and follow her down to a glorious splattering on the desert floor far from any whitnesses or prying eyes...just holding back and getting her safely to where ever it is the old bag is going to haunt...now that's perhaps the toughest flying one can ever do.

I guess I'm not the only one who has these feelings!
 
Hey Chuck,

The reference is to your original thread. Flying airshows today, anywhere in the world, is a pain in the old ass. God, how I miss the old days of Bill Sweet and the National Airshows. I knew Bill, and Charlie Hillard, and Harold Krier. Most Lurkers have no idea of whom I'm speaking. ..............The point is that the thread covered a number of items, and not that of airshows. After all, a invertered ribbon pick up is the same as an Ag run except its inverted.........I've never dusted a field, but I've done an inverted ribbon pick-up (once).

www.bdkingpress.com
 
Yeh BD, the whole aviation scene has really changed.

The problem with the airshow business is f.ckin lawyers, everyone is afraid of liability suits and the cost of putting on an airshow today has been driven through the roof..

Remember the horrific accident in Germany when those Italian jets collided and went into the crowd at the airport? Well we did the first airshow in Germany just south of Munich after that accident. That was in 1998 and everyone was really paranoid about the public mood...but it went well.

Ahhh thank God we lived in a time when life was simple.

Cat
 
I never see ANC anymore

TurboS7 said:
How do you like the 747-mar. guess you get to fly out of ANC and that is about it. Nice pics guys.

The only time I'm in ANC is when I'm jumpseating in or out these days...

Trying to stay on topic and answer your question at the same time...I've been humbled by the 747. On the one hand, you could say, no big deal, we're all 250 or less below 10,000 and that's a valid comment when your ref speeds are on the order of 150 kts or less and the winds are calm.

But throw in some dark, some fatigue, some low vis, some contamination on the rwy, min fuel with a Karachi alternate and a sketchy 30 year old autopilot and I'll tell you what...

I'm sitting up straight, my pupils are dilated and my nostrils are flared and I'm every bit as focused as if I were scud running it into Anatuvuk Pass on a snowy day.

Yes, 8 hours of cruise can be mind numbing.
No, I don't yank and bank like I used to.

But for someone who is new to jets I'd say, let's be honest, I have my hands full but I'm loving every minute of it.
 
Now this was the most enjoyable thread in this place in a long time.
Thanks Guy's I needed this.
I appreciate the fact that this didn't turn into a crop duster bash session to.
Flying airplanes is just plain good guys. We are so blessed to be able to do what we do in any form of it, I think.

Bug, U-Du-Man. I remember throwing rolls of toilet paper out of the cub and spiraling down to cut it with the prop. I now dream of it being my mother-in-law, ROFLMFAO...........
Oh, and I wouldn't want to damage a cub, just circle around her, shoot her a bird and then point at the ground coming up with a smile:)
 
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redd said:
Just curious, how does military flying stack up to this?

Above all...I am amazed no one has mentioned it. There isn't a more dynamic environment out there.
 
You havent worked to many fires in the Klamath, bridger tetons , upper snake river , or the L.A. basin have you.
 
What we need now is a former military pilot who's successfully migrated to aerial firefighting or crop dusting (if there is such an animal), maybe someone who's worked in Colombia perhaps, to settle this.

Any lurkers out there with that kind of experience?
 
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