Different Approach Briefings

[minitour]

Read through the Instrument Procedures Handbook again tonight, but the example one in there doesn't seem too logical to me (using Jepps). Anyone got a "good, easy to remember, easier to teach, hits all the stuff" approach briefing?

-mini

*edit*
I find myself just going along the "briefing strip" for now, but want to make sure there isn't a better way (and I'm sure there is) out there...thanks!

 

[Ralgha]

Why reinvent the wheel? Go along the briefing strip. There's a reason it's called the "briefing strip".

In the rare case that I come across a plate that still uses the old format, I use MARTHA: Missed approach, ATIS, Radios, Time, Headings, Altitudes.

 

[PropsR4Boats]

Get your weather and notams then find your minimums. Set up your radios, needles, etc. Try to set up the missed as best you can. Then read the briefing strip and brief the missed. Look at the picture determine how to identify the MAP and your done.

 

[midlifeflyer]

mini, the only one I find that's called "Example 1" is for helicopters. Are you talking about the approach briefing into Monroe that is in Chapter 5?

When it comes down to it, mnemonics aside, all they are really doing is:

1. Getting the weather so that you have an overview of the situation.
2. Confirming that you have the right plate.
3. Examine the plan view so that you have a mental picture of the whole process (looking at the forest rather than at the trees)
4. using the NACO version of the Jepp-designed strip to pick the necessary numbers off the plate (looking at the trees)
5. Verbalizing it all in the sequence in which it will happen which tends to put it into memory in a way that tends to keeps your brain ahead of the airplane.

The "Briefing Strip?" Jepp spend a lot of time and money using a team of professionals to create a format that hit all the important numbers based on the way real pilots really briefed approaches. Why would you think there had to be a better way?

 

[JAFI]

Mini, I went to Yahoo and did a search on "approach briefings" (what a concept).
----I just couldn't resist-----

Try this link:

http://www.flightsafety.org/alar/alar_bn1-6-briefing.pdf#search='approach%20briefing'

On the second page under "Scope of Briefing" there is a list of the items the Flightsafety orginization uses.

at a quick view, the below link may have some info for you:

http://www.jeppesen.com/download/misc/handbook.pdf#search='approach%20briefing'

Go to page 5 and look at the "typical usage pattern"
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on top of normal approach info also inlclude "operational" information:

Weather conditions that could effect the approach and landing - strong crosswind, runway-taxi way conditions, etc.

non normal aircraft conditions - any component that may effect the approach

terrain considerations - where is that mountain/ city, etc.

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I once gave a check ride to a 135 crew that included at the end of every briefing "And just don't let me F*#k up."

I thought the statement was a short, to the point, empowerment to the non flying pilot to back up the flying pilot and to act (verbal or non verbal) to make a safe approach. Just something to think about......

JAFI

 

[Lead Sled]

I once gave a check ride to a 135 crew that included at the end of every briefing "And just don't let me F*#k up." I thought the statement was a short, to the point, empowerment to the non flying pilot to back up the flying pilot and to act (verbal or non verbal) to make a safe approach. Just something to think about...JAFI

JAFI...
Personally, I like to use the phrase: "Don't let me kill you."

'Sled

 

[minitour]

Mini, I went to Yahoo and did a search on "approach briefings" (what a concept).
----I just couldn't resist-----

I did the same thing...was more interested in what others here are using that is working...

Guess I'll just stick with my "top to bottom" briefing that goes along the strip...thanks for the info folks.

-mini

 

[JAFI]

Mini, one more thing I would like to add,

Too much information and the other pilot will not remember what you said at the begining of your briefing by the time you get to the end. I recomend you hit the need to know info and the "stuff that could kill you" info. Every company has their own way of approach briefing. Just keep working at what you have and you will cover most of the bases. Also look at that Flightsafety org web site I posted. It had some good stuff there...

JAFI

 

[Lead Sled]

...Too much information and the other pilot will not remember what you said at the begining of your briefing by the time you get to the end.../QUOTE]When it comes to the missed, a good gouge to keep from getting in too deep is: Initial Heading, Initial Altitude, Next Heading - that will give you enough heading to get you going. You'll have enough time to look up the rest as you go.

'Sled

 

[minitour]

Mini, one more thing I would like to add,

Too much information and the other pilot will not remember what you said at the begining of your briefing by the time you get to the end. I recomend you hit the need to know info and the "stuff that could kill you" info. Every company has their own way of approach briefing. Just keep working at what you have and you will cover most of the bases. Also look at that Flightsafety org web site I posted. It had some good stuff there...

JAFI

Excellent point...I can just see someone looking over at me with the "deer in the headlights look" on his/her face...that could be bad...

Thanks again guyz!

-mini

 

[DC8 Flyer]

Mini

Freq, Course, lowest alt, missed point, missed alt, hold entry.

If you are using 2 sets of plates IDing the chart number isnt a bad idea either just to be sure you both are on the same page.

Remeber its a brief, not a lesson on shooting the approach.

 

[NYCPilot]

I like to use:

WEATHER
RADIOS
ATM

WEATHER – Get the weather so you’ll know what approach to expect and where your corrections will be.
RADIOS – Tune in the Communications (STBY & Current) & all VOR, ILS, DME frequencies for the approach and any associated fix/intersections/holds. Marker lights and sounds tested.
A– Altitude (MDA or DH)
T –Time (MDA or GS malfunction timing backup)
M – Missed Approach (Initial altitude and turn)


What helps remind me of the timing and minimum altitude is to think of the OM beacon going off as an alarm clock. When it goes off, I hit the snooze button. When the marker goes off, I do the same. While descending, I callout my numbers aloud in this fashion:

If I’m at 1000’ for a DH of 200’, I call out:

“10 for 2” - “9 for 2” - “8 for 2”….and so on.

 

[flyifrvfr]

Why reinvent the wheel? Go along the briefing strip. There's a reason it's called the "briefing strip".

In the rare case that I come across a plate that still uses the old format, I use MARTHA: Missed approach, ATIS, Radios, Time, Headings, Altitudes.

I am pleasently suprised to see someone else use MARTHA. I was taught that 12 years ago and have passed MARTHA on to anyone who asks how I brief an approach. I tell them that MARTHA allows you to brief and set up an approach faster than any other brief which leaves you more time for other tasks while flying.

 

[BoDEAN]

I use W.I.N.D

Weather
Instrument Approach brief
Nav aids (tune/id)
Descent checklist

 

[Flechas]

CFHAM

Currency
Frequencies
Headings
Altitudes
Missed approach


That's what I used to teach my students so they would remember everything.

I personally do it different for myself and for the captains.

 

[JohnnyCash]

DC8 flyer:

said it perfect.

(also rw length/width and turn-off)

John

 

[Illini Pilot]

ALARM

ATIS
Landing Checklist
Approach Briefing (strip)
Radios (Nav/Com)
Missed App.