DHL/UPS conspiracy

[penguin22]

DPWN/UPS conspiracy

and I hate conspiracy theorists...but this one intrigues me.
And I like this Rep. Mike Turner fella:

"Turner says the anti-trust action revolves around the fact that the U.S. package delivery market is being consolidated between two carriers.
"I think there are real issues here," Turner said.
Several years ago Emery operated out of the Dayton, Ohio airport, DHL had facilities at Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport and Airborne Express was based at Wilmington.
That accounted for 10,000 jobs.
"UPS acquired Emery and moved them to Louisville. DHL acquired Airborne and now they’re shutting down that facility and moving to Louisville also," Turner said. "This looks very much like a stepped transaction with DHL and UPS carving up the market and then coming together and that has anti-trust impact."
http://www.wcpo.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=9a19491a-7b8a-4573-b795-e20cc5e4be29



We've all watched DHL make the most ridiculous decisions that just didn't make sense... until you look at it in this light.

1. Why build a brand new sort in CVG (before DPWN bought DHL)and then abandon it? (after DPWN bought DHL) It was cheaper to make the temporary move to ILN than to build CVG big enough to handle the Airborne Express freight

2. Why fire all those DHL drivers and keep the stupid IC's? It will simplify things when UPS drivers take over the US operation. There won't be any demand to integrate the drivers into UPS, and no severance costs to IC's

3. They were never interested in refleeting ABX/Astar. That never made sense until you understood that ABX/Astar were never part of the end game. It was only Hete that was going out and buying 767s.

4. Why buy 49% of Astar, only to drop them a year later? That was just a clever payoff to Dasburg, who was probably in on the whole thing from the beginning

And I gotta believe one of the big reasons they hated Hete so much is that they couldn't trust him because he wasn't in on the whole plan. Maybe they were afraid he might just be able to make the US operation workable and profitable. And that wasn't part of the plan

 

[rotor&wing]

If you look at the Macgruder video close enough, you'll see Joe Hete on the grassy knoll........

 

[AV8OR]

If you look at the Macgruder video close enough, you'll see Joe Hete on the grassy knoll........

LOL! That's funny right there!!

 

[aviatrix767]

and I hate conspiracy theorists...but this one intrigues me.


And I gotta believe one of the big reasons they hated Hete so much is that they couldn't trust him because he wasn't in on the whole plan. Maybe they were afraid he might just be able to make the US operation workable and profitable. And that wasn't part of the plan

I wouldn't be so sure. Maybe I'm misreading something here, but someone please explain this one too me...

http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/industry.php?txt=M01&cycle=2008
(Take a long hard look at the entire list - pay close attention to Airborne, Inc.)

Now, when you click on the Airborne, Inc. link, it takes you to this page:
http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00238311
(Note the name of the treasurer.)

Okay, maybe I'm just paranoid... maybe I'm just reading into something that's actually nothing. I just thought it was interesting. Especially since I thought "Airborne" was done away with after the Germans bought the Airborne Express, made it "DHL" and spun off the airline into ABX Air. Another thing to consider, all of this is listed under "Foreign PACS," too.

 

[hvydriver]

No, we know you're paranoid. Still waiting for that apology, Aviatrix.

 

[rotor&wing]

Same here Trixy.....Where's the apology?

 

[DC8CRIVER]

C'mon Trix,

Be a well behaved man, make history, and apologize.

 

[penguin22]

But the 1224 offering an 18% cut stunk too.

Actually, ABX pilots DID try to negotiate a concessionary contract to keep DHL flying.
I know this is fact. I am not at liberty to tell you how I know, but it is true. My sources are highly classified. It's secret. You don't know how I know, but I do. For real.

a bit hypocritical for you guys to be asking for apologies. ABX pilots never offered concessions for DHL flying

 

[rotor&wing]

a bit hypocritical for you guys to be asking for apologies. ABX pilots never offered concessions for DHL flying

Neither did Astar pilots. But Trixy made it her mission to smear us on every web board she could find proclaiming we were negotiating concessions when in fact there was no truth to it.

 

[FreightBumper]

Neither did Astar pilots. But Trixy made it her mission to smear us on every web board she could find proclaiming we were negotiating concessions when in fact there was no truth to it.

JUST LIKE YOU AND OTHERS THAT MADE THE SAME INSINUATIONS ABOUT ABX. I GUESS IT'S OK IF THE LEGACY DHL CARRIER DOES IT.(CAPS ON FOR EFFECT). We never offered pay concessions to fly dhl freight. It was for our acmi business outside of Wilmington.

 

[rotor&wing]

OK FB, try to read this and comprehend OK?

I didn't say ABX pilots were negotiating concessions. My point is your man Trixy smeared Astar crews all over the internet with her insinuations that we were negotiating concessions when there was absolutely no truth to it.

So to turn the table, "I guess it's OK if the ABX carrier does it". (sorry, no caps here, I don't want to look like a bufoon)

 

[FreightBumper]

OK FB, try to read this and comprehend OK?

I didn't say ABX pilots were negotiating concessions. My point is your man Trixy smeared Astar crews all over the internet with her insinuations that we were negotiating concessions when there was absolutely no truth to it.

So to turn the table, "I guess it's OK if the ABX carrier does it". (sorry, no caps here, I don't want to look like a bufoon)

Too late.

 

[FreightBumper]

OK FB, try to read this and comprehend OK?

I didn't say ABX pilots were negotiating concessions. My point is your man Trixy smeared Astar crews all over the internet with her insinuations that we were negotiating concessions when there was absolutely no truth to it.

So to turn the table, "I guess it's OK if the ABX carrier does it". (sorry, no caps here, I don't want to look like a bufoon)

Go back to the thread "Aviatrix? Oh Aviatrix? Where art though(sic) my Aviatrix. Those are you folks making those accusations. We were never considering undercutting you for any new airplanes or flying. We are the step children, we are never offered any thing but parking a\c.

 

[hvydriver]

Go back to the thread "Aviatrix? Oh Aviatrix? Where art though(sic) my Aviatrix. Those are you folks making those accusations. We were never considering undercutting you for any new airplanes or flying. We are the step children, we are never offered any thing but parking a\c.

It's really simple FB. If she will apologize, we'll back off. She was wrong but will not admit it. Surely Capt. Ross has shown the membership Capt. Prater's response to him about our "concessionary" negotiations. If he hasn't I'd suggest you demand to see it. Where we weren't negotiating any concessions at all, 1224 was. Admitted to in the somewhat public hotline message. For life after DHL or not? Maybe, maybe not. I'd be interested to see how that would work. If you guys T/A'ed concessions for ACMI, then would the OSK/MIA crews then be flying B scale, even if in theory it's for a short period of time while DHL operations are still going on? How precisely would that be implemented?

 

[abxaviator]

I believe the union position was that wgaes would actually INCREASE (as allowed in the ACMI) and remain at those levels for ALL until such time as the DHL flying is terminated.

 

[mxer]

Give it a break. She was wrong. You guys didn't take concessions. We all know that. She doesn't represent our group any more than one person on your side represents your entire group. If she doesn't have the maturity to admit wrong doing, be the more mature and let it go. Our consessions didn't go either. They were designed to only take effect after DHL kicks us to the curb. (the rest of the way, that is) We have been parking planes from the beginning.

 

[hvydriver]

Fair enough, mxer.

 

[FreightBumper]

I believe the union position was that wgaes would actually INCREASE (as allowed in the ACMI) and remain at those levels for ALL until such time as the DHL flying is terminated.

That is absolutely the case. Some folks are too intent to spew garbage that makes them feel good instead of verifying and repeating facts. Aviatrix repeated what she thought and not what the majority of ABX pilots thought or believed. I would apologize, but then some would have nothing to rant about.

 

[DC8CRIVER]

Go back to the thread "Aviatrix? Oh Aviatrix? Where art though(sic) my Aviatrix. Those are you folks making those accusations.

AB.

Those "accusations" were a blatant parody of Trixy's smear of our pilot group. We were not the first to cast stones. Heck, we didn't even really cast stones at all. Those posts were an attempt to call attention to her slanderous posts and her inability to own up to her mistakes. She has no integrity, no backbone, and no business continuing her postings if she is unable to correct her error. By not doing so, one can only assume that it was an intentional lie meant to harm the reputation of our entire pilot group.

That's where the issue is. I'll let it die when she offers an apology or she quits posting.

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