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IHaveAPension
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IHaveAPension said:
Cpt. Pension,
It's all in the eye of the beholder...
A. Nobody at AStar is taxiing any slower than we do anywhere else.
B. I had Landon (the AStar safety guy you refered to) in my recurrent class yesterday, and he specifically mentioned how fast ABX guys taxi, not the other way around. He was not being critical, he just mentioned that ABX guys taxi a lot faster than we do, anywhere. But, way to go, trying to turn a non-event into a wedge and inadvertently inferring that AStar pilots are petty and unprofessional. Dude we don't care if it's out of CVG, ILN or BAH, we do our best to make it happen on time. Got make that bonus money again ya know!
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IHaveAPension said:
You would be wrong. You really need to take your crap elsewhere. Would you like to wager something IHAP, whether you are wrong? How bout this, if we don't move into our new facility because "DHL has cancelled the building of Astars new ops center in ILN due to cost containment issues", I'll volunteer for the penalty box on this website forum for a month, but if we do indeed move in to our new facility, you do the into the box you go? Whatdya say?
Hey, are you EuroWheenie's inside contact?
AV8OR said:
The DC9 taxies fast well. Some Captains like to go fast, other's do not. I prefer a more comfortable pace that doesn't require me to hold on while cornering. The DC8s and 767s usually taxi much slower.
I rode jumpseat on an ER flight out of ILN a few weeks ago and the 727 really bounced around on the taxiway even though I know that the DC9 rides fine in that area. The crew even mentioned the rough ride and said it had something to do with the struts and that's why they taxi slow sometimes. Sounds like a strange explanation but I was there bouncing down the taxiway so I am certainly a believer!
If my airplane were bouncing around like that I'd certainly want to slow down as well.
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Thank you very much for your highly educational posting. It's quite asthonishing how the same issues are so differently reported over here. Suffice to say that what you've mentioned is somewhat in contrast to the rumours floating around over here.
Well, this side of the pond the view point is that it's comparable, based on the fact that the EU is one common market.
LJ-ABX
Sorry, my bad - got the alphabet soup mixed up. It should of course have read ABX and not BAX.
AV8OR
a1: Thanks. Never heard of the bloke before.
a2: See above.
b1: I can see that my initial posting could be viewed as a dig at your wages. I trust you'll belive me when I say that you, in my opinion, deserve whatever you can negotiate. I should also have made a clearer distinction between the air and ground operations, of both Airborne Express (apparently they're not called ABX, thanks for enlighting me) and DHL US. Alas, as long as Astar and ABX Air are making money, apparently the salaries are not an issue.
b2: Allow me to quote you
Right, I don't live in a socialist country, neither are any EU nations currently led by a traditional socialist goverment. Closest you'll get is the "Social Democrats" in Sweden, "Labour" in the UK and "SPD" in Germany. Neither or those are even remotely close to embracing traditional Socialist values. The only people being "subsidised" by governments, and this by the way is not universal throughout the EU nor limited to nations with a centre/left government, are people who've been unemployeed for an extended period of time. Some nations, including Denmark which is currently under a conservative government, tie some money to their backs in order to get them out of welfare. It works, to an extent.
Your comment re. "Speaking of broke" leaves me somewhat flabbergasted. If you wish to compare national deficits, I don't think the US has much to brag about. Where I'm from, we've had a + on the balance sheet for the last 10+ years; primarily under a centre/left government (this may blow a bubble or two, but there you go).
IHaveAPension
From what they're telling us, there weren't enough freight going around to feed both the LH MD-11 operating out of CGN to BAH, the Astar DC8 and the Kalitta 747. One had to go, and it was Astar that got shafted in a highly political move. I'm not privy to the exact reasons, and have been hearing mixed rumours. However, those I've been talking to are not sufficiently high up the food chain (as I suppose is the case with most of us here) to be advised as to exactly what the reasoning was. I heard yesterday that we're actually loosing money utilising Kalitta, but whether that is true I have no way of knowing.
Latest rumours is that Astar will be back on the JFK-BRU-BAH service by October. Looking forward to seeing you guys over here again.
Other, and very consistent, rumours has it that EAT are seriously looking at acquiring their own long-range widebodies. Anything from 767-300, DC10-30, MD-11 and even 777F has been mentioned. However, those rumours have been floating for the last 4 years so I'm not particularly holding my breath.
Thank you very much for your highly educational posting. It's quite asthonishing how the same issues are so differently reported over here. Suffice to say that what you've mentioned is somewhat in contrast to the rumours floating around over here.
Well, this side of the pond the view point is that it's comparable, based on the fact that the EU is one common market.
LJ-ABX
Sorry, my bad - got the alphabet soup mixed up. It should of course have read ABX and not BAX.
AV8OR
a1: Thanks. Never heard of the bloke before.
a2: See above.
b1: I can see that my initial posting could be viewed as a dig at your wages. I trust you'll belive me when I say that you, in my opinion, deserve whatever you can negotiate. I should also have made a clearer distinction between the air and ground operations, of both Airborne Express (apparently they're not called ABX, thanks for enlighting me) and DHL US. Alas, as long as Astar and ABX Air are making money, apparently the salaries are not an issue.
b2: Allow me to quote you
Right, I don't live in a socialist country, neither are any EU nations currently led by a traditional socialist goverment. Closest you'll get is the "Social Democrats" in Sweden, "Labour" in the UK and "SPD" in Germany. Neither or those are even remotely close to embracing traditional Socialist values. The only people being "subsidised" by governments, and this by the way is not universal throughout the EU nor limited to nations with a centre/left government, are people who've been unemployeed for an extended period of time. Some nations, including Denmark which is currently under a conservative government, tie some money to their backs in order to get them out of welfare. It works, to an extent.
Your comment re. "Speaking of broke" leaves me somewhat flabbergasted. If you wish to compare national deficits, I don't think the US has much to brag about. Where I'm from, we've had a + on the balance sheet for the last 10+ years; primarily under a centre/left government (this may blow a bubble or two, but there you go).
IHaveAPension
From what they're telling us, there weren't enough freight going around to feed both the LH MD-11 operating out of CGN to BAH, the Astar DC8 and the Kalitta 747. One had to go, and it was Astar that got shafted in a highly political move. I'm not privy to the exact reasons, and have been hearing mixed rumours. However, those I've been talking to are not sufficiently high up the food chain (as I suppose is the case with most of us here) to be advised as to exactly what the reasoning was. I heard yesterday that we're actually loosing money utilising Kalitta, but whether that is true I have no way of knowing.
Latest rumours is that Astar will be back on the JFK-BRU-BAH service by October. Looking forward to seeing you guys over here again.
Other, and very consistent, rumours has it that EAT are seriously looking at acquiring their own long-range widebodies. Anything from 767-300, DC10-30, MD-11 and even 777F has been mentioned. However, those rumours have been floating for the last 4 years so I'm not particularly holding my breath.
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Eurowheenie,
>Well, this side of the pond the view point is that it's comparable, based on the fact that the EU is one common market.<
Perhaps so. I suppose this is an area where we won't find common ground. While I see your point, the fact of the matter is (from my point of view) that while it is one common economic zone, it is still a consortium of independent nations. It is therefore, irrevocably different from flying inside the continental US. Just my opinion.
>Well, this side of the pond the view point is that it's comparable, based on the fact that the EU is one common market.<
Perhaps so. I suppose this is an area where we won't find common ground. While I see your point, the fact of the matter is (from my point of view) that while it is one common economic zone, it is still a consortium of independent nations. It is therefore, irrevocably different from flying inside the continental US. Just my opinion.
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hvydriver
Quite right, we'll probably never agree. However, since the flying is a commercial operation and the EU is, from a commercial point of view, a single entity intra-EU flights should be regarded as domestic. For EU based carriers that is already the case; there is nothing stopping a operator based in the Czech Republic from launching flights between Germany and Spain, as long as the technical side of the operation is JAR compliant and all that.
One could also argue that domestic flights in the US which crosses a state border are equal to intra-EU flights. If I understand it correct, the individual states in the US have a certain degree of freedom to set taxes, social programs, education etc. The EU is much the same, albeit we obviously haven't a common constitution, defence and foreign policy. Yet. But from a commercial point of view, we're one.
On this subject I suppose we'll just have to agree on disagreeing, but it's no secret that the phalanx of US reg'd aircraft flying intra-EU with US crews are a major thorn in the side of pilots this side of the pond. I trust you appreciate that position.
Quite right, we'll probably never agree. However, since the flying is a commercial operation and the EU is, from a commercial point of view, a single entity intra-EU flights should be regarded as domestic. For EU based carriers that is already the case; there is nothing stopping a operator based in the Czech Republic from launching flights between Germany and Spain, as long as the technical side of the operation is JAR compliant and all that.
One could also argue that domestic flights in the US which crosses a state border are equal to intra-EU flights. If I understand it correct, the individual states in the US have a certain degree of freedom to set taxes, social programs, education etc. The EU is much the same, albeit we obviously haven't a common constitution, defence and foreign policy. Yet. But from a commercial point of view, we're one.
On this subject I suppose we'll just have to agree on disagreeing, but it's no secret that the phalanx of US reg'd aircraft flying intra-EU with US crews are a major thorn in the side of pilots this side of the pond. I trust you appreciate that position.
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Euro...
"Right, I don't live in a socialist country, neither are any EU nations currently led by a traditional socialist goverment. Closest you'll get is the "Social Democrats" in Sweden, "Labour" in the UK and "SPD" in Germany. Neither or those are even remotely close to embracing traditional Socialist values. The only people being "subsidised" by governments, and this by the way is not universal throughout the EU nor limited to nations with a centre/left government, are people who've been unemployeed for an extended period of time. Some nations, including Denmark which is currently under a conservative government, tie some money to their backs in order to get them out of welfare. It works, to an extent.
Your comment re. "Speaking of broke" leaves me somewhat flabbergasted. If you wish to compare national deficits, I don't think the US has much to brag about. Where I'm from, we've had a + on the balance sheet for the last 10+ years; primarily under a centre/left government (this may blow a bubble or two, but there you go)."
What I meant by the "socialist" comment was that we have to negotiate everything, all of it, every time. No government healthcare, vacation, retirement, etc. Don't get me wrong, I like it that way cause then the governement can't take it away. Heck we're doing our best to try and get more of our money back into our control. Anyway, that's for another discussion, but let me just say, I want yall's pay to go up, not the other way around. I firmly believe they could afford to pay you more. My cousin works for DHL in Brussels in Mngmt and she said they have some awsome parties. Times must not be too bad.
I'm no economist, so I'm not gonna get into the deficit issue. The broke I was refering to was the subsequent decrease in vacation mandated in France, and the contoversy over, wasn't it France and Germany, screwing the smaller countries in the EU by using illegal trade policies, per the EU rules. Also, although you all have some government provided benefits, I'll take our quality and service here any day. That's all.
You and heavy seem to be in a pretty good little thing on domestic and international, but while there are a few, and I do mean a few, remaining things states can do independently, that concept was over in 1865 with the War Between the States. The EU actually probably more closely resembles the voluntary confederacy of independent States we had before the war than we do now. Now we are basically a compulsory union of dependent states and with the exception of say regional cultural and social mores, legally, ultimately, we are Federally governed in almost every way. Wish it wasn't that way, but it is.
Here's to burying the hachet and higher wages for all. Raise a pint on me.
"Right, I don't live in a socialist country, neither are any EU nations currently led by a traditional socialist goverment. Closest you'll get is the "Social Democrats" in Sweden, "Labour" in the UK and "SPD" in Germany. Neither or those are even remotely close to embracing traditional Socialist values. The only people being "subsidised" by governments, and this by the way is not universal throughout the EU nor limited to nations with a centre/left government, are people who've been unemployeed for an extended period of time. Some nations, including Denmark which is currently under a conservative government, tie some money to their backs in order to get them out of welfare. It works, to an extent.
Your comment re. "Speaking of broke" leaves me somewhat flabbergasted. If you wish to compare national deficits, I don't think the US has much to brag about. Where I'm from, we've had a + on the balance sheet for the last 10+ years; primarily under a centre/left government (this may blow a bubble or two, but there you go)."
What I meant by the "socialist" comment was that we have to negotiate everything, all of it, every time. No government healthcare, vacation, retirement, etc. Don't get me wrong, I like it that way cause then the governement can't take it away. Heck we're doing our best to try and get more of our money back into our control. Anyway, that's for another discussion, but let me just say, I want yall's pay to go up, not the other way around. I firmly believe they could afford to pay you more. My cousin works for DHL in Brussels in Mngmt and she said they have some awsome parties. Times must not be too bad.
I'm no economist, so I'm not gonna get into the deficit issue. The broke I was refering to was the subsequent decrease in vacation mandated in France, and the contoversy over, wasn't it France and Germany, screwing the smaller countries in the EU by using illegal trade policies, per the EU rules. Also, although you all have some government provided benefits, I'll take our quality and service here any day. That's all.
You and heavy seem to be in a pretty good little thing on domestic and international, but while there are a few, and I do mean a few, remaining things states can do independently, that concept was over in 1865 with the War Between the States. The EU actually probably more closely resembles the voluntary confederacy of independent States we had before the war than we do now. Now we are basically a compulsory union of dependent states and with the exception of say regional cultural and social mores, legally, ultimately, we are Federally governed in almost every way. Wish it wasn't that way, but it is.
Here's to burying the hachet and higher wages for all. Raise a pint on me.
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>Then why did DHL replace the Astar DC-8 with a Kalitta 747????? Reduced loads my a$$, it's strictly beacuse Kalitta is cheaper that Astar.<
Because, they are only reserving a portion of the aircraft. Why don't you just go back to playing Doom3, or whatever it is you do when your mommy lets you on the computer? Sorry guys. I couldn't resist. How many handles is Rhoid going to use, you think? Maybe we should start a pool.
Because, they are only reserving a portion of the aircraft. Why don't you just go back to playing Doom3, or whatever it is you do when your mommy lets you on the computer? Sorry guys. I couldn't resist. How many handles is Rhoid going to use, you think? Maybe we should start a pool.
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Don't you harties at both ABX and (B)ASTAR(D) see the waves in the water?? Ye both be screwed in the long run!!
Don't ye think management wants to see the two pilot groups squabble over things?? Just more the reason for them to dump you for somebody cheap like some feline freight airline!!
Am I glad I sail the seven seas instead of flying for ABX or ASTAR!! Ye knaves be banished to davey jones' locker soon, get use to that idea!!
Don't ye think management wants to see the two pilot groups squabble over things?? Just more the reason for them to dump you for somebody cheap like some feline freight airline!!
Am I glad I sail the seven seas instead of flying for ABX or ASTAR!! Ye knaves be banished to davey jones' locker soon, get use to that idea!!
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Feathersword said:
Ah yes, good ole Captain Feathersword. Your posts are hilarious and clueless. I've seen your posts in other areas. Where did you learn to speak like that? Are you a real "pirate"? Keep sailing those seas my friend we certainly don't want you in an airplane. Lay off the booze and drugs and keep her steady, full ahead, port side or whatever.
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flyinboxes said:
Argh Matie, tis ye that will be hitting the booze and drugs when DHL gives ASTAR and ABX the ol' heave-ho!! If ye thinks DHL is somehow loyal to either group then must be ye who are hitting the pipe!! Or maybe it is just a raging case of the scuurvy!!
Anybody want to bet five dabloons when it will happen?? Live in the now me scallywags, tis bound to happen and me guess is sooner than later!! Ye knaves seem to not understand you cannot scope freight you don't own!! YE ARE NOT DHL ANYMORE BOYS!! Live in the now and embrace the fury of the truth!!
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