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Clipperskip, Penguin22, Shooter, HeavyjetDC8...(and anyone I might have missed).........BRAVO!

Euro, as I am one of the bottom guys on the list, to the point of feeling like a 30 day subcontractor. Please join us in May and let the ABX gang show you how dedicated we are to make DHL Express in the US work.
 
EW said:
"I'd very much like to extent an invitation to those of you, whether you're ABX, ASTAR or DHL, who feel like joining me for a couple of cold ones when I visit in May."

Many of us are wondering if we'll be too busy looking for new jobs to join you in anything.
 
DHL bleeding here in the States is no secret. None of this really adds up or maybe it does and I just cant add. It would take FedEx a while to add the additional lift to absorb DHL domestic. If Im not mistaken didnt a news service somewhere report FedEx rejected the idea?

ABX does most of the DHL hauling and they just bought a load of DC8's and 72's with the purchase of CHI. I know those planes are already tasked, but is this a sign that ABX is altering it business plan or gearing up for something else.

Some one need to bug the phones and the board rooms. Its the only way to know for sure.
 
Even then they probably lie to themselves..........
 
DHL bleeding here in the States is no secret. None of this really adds up or maybe it does and I just cant add. It would take FedEx a while to add the additional lift to absorb DHL domestic. If Im not mistaken didnt a news service somewhere report FedEx rejected the idea?

ABX does most of the DHL hauling and they just bought a load of DC8's and 72's with the purchase of CHI. I know those planes are already tasked, but is this a sign that ABX is altering it business plan or gearing up for something else.

Some one need to bug the phones and the board rooms. Its the only way to know for sure.

DPWN/DHL used a model that has worked for them elsewhere. They purchased a "local" business as a shortcut to expanding their business in country. Unfortunately for them they overlooked a few things. First, they didn't really understand the dynamics of the market they were entering. Second, they didn't understand the mindset of the people who were operating their "local" business.

The other sucessful model is to buy into a "local" business. The "local" business then uses the influx of capitol to expand the business. This may be what we are seeing with the re-aquisition of 49% of Astar, along witht the 49% of Polar.

Viewed in this light, what are ABX's future prospects? It could very well mean gradual phase out. Hete more than likely saow this as a possibility from the beginning. His choices were stark. He needs to keep DHL as happy as possible while expanding the 3rd party business a rapidly as possible, or ABX wouldn't survive. Sucessfully expanding the third party business has done several things. First, it provides additional business on which ABX may be able to survive. Second, it proves to DHL that ABX is a viable alternative to Astar, thus allowing for the possibility of keeping DHL as customer, or perhaps a business partner. Third, it allows Hete to fulfill his fiduciary responsibility to the stockholders of ABX which in turn allows him to keep his job.

What we don't know at this point is what the "master plan" is for either DHL or ABX. We don't know, for instance, if DHL is reacting in a reflex manner, i.e. option one didn't work let's try option two, or if they have thought things through and understand what they need to do. Depending on what the plans are, some of us may have to make some difficult choices ourselves. We may, for instance, have to chose between going with the aircraft to Astar if the plan involves an asset sale, or staying with ABX and Hete. Some will have no choice. Most of us have little choice but to stay and see where it all leads.
 
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Depending on what the plans are, some of us may have to make some difficult choices ourselves. We may, for instance, have to chose between going with the aircraft to Astar if the plan involves an asset sale, or staying with ABX and Hete.
Interesting post, and I agree with most of what you say. But I'm a little confused by your last statement.

Doesn't an "asset sale" usually include select assets and rolling stock, without specifically addressing the employees?

I know that's how it worked when UPS bought Challenge a few years ago. The planes (and I think the ramp space) went to UPS and the cargo went with the planes, but the employees (the pilots, at least) stayed behind. There's still some bitterness down there over the way they (UPS and the IPA) handled that.

So what gives? Do you guys have language in your contract that prevents ABX from transferring assets without some sort of job protection?
 
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Yes, we have partial asset sale job protection provisions in our CBA. Only time will tell if it will be needed.



So what gives? Do you guys have language in your contract that prevents ABX from transferring assets without some sort of job protection?[/quote]
 
Yes, we have partial asset sale job protection provisions in our CBA. Only time will tell if it will be needed. So what gives? Do you guys have language in your contract that prevents ABX from transferring assets without some sort of job protection?
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CS, first off, Whistlin' Numbnuts isn't with us anymore. Second, nope.
 
Interesting post, and I agree with most of what you say. But I'm a little confused by your last statement.

Doesn't an "asset sale" usually include select assets and rolling stock, without specifically addressing the employees?

I know that's how it worked when UPS bought Challenge a few years ago. The planes (and I think the ramp space) went to UPS and the cargo went with the planes, but the employees (the pilots, at least) stayed behind. There's still some bitterness down there over the way they (UPS and the IPA) handled that.

So what gives? Do you guys have language in your contract that prevents ABX from transferring assets without some sort of job protection?


UPS did NOT take any of Challenge's planes. UPS bought CAC solely for their extensive route authority in Central and South America. The IPA had nothing to do with UPS' decision not to take the employees.
 
UPS did NOT take any of Challenge's planes. UPS bought CAC solely for their extensive route authority in Central and South America. The IPA had nothing to do with UPS' decision not to take the employees.

This is true. That's an urban legend that gets a lot of airplay.
 
Hvydriver said:

CS, first off, Whistlin' Numbnuts isn't with us anymore. Second, nope.

HvyD, are you saying that our partial asset protections will not be needed? Or are you referring to something else with the “Second, nope.”??
 
Hvydriver said:

CS, first off, Whistlin' Numbnuts isn't with us anymore. Second, nope.

HvyD, are you saying that our partial asset protections will not be needed? Or are you referring to something else with the “Second, nope.”??

FH,

The second is nope, we wouldn't have anything in our contract that would preclude you guys from coming with the jets, should something like that happen. I recall reading in your contract that there was a certain percentage of a/c per fleet that could be sold without the company (ABX) sending pilots with them. I don't think that's any concern though. Our lyin' CEO (who can lie just as good as yours) said he's no longer interested in dealing with Hete at all.
 
FH,
....Our lyin' CEO (who can lie just as good as yours) said he's no longer interested in dealing with Hete at all.

We both know that if and when DPWN/DHL suggests to him that he should sit down and work out a deal he'll be at the table.
 
Note my statement Eric. It starts off with "Our lyin' CEO". :)

I noted it. :) Actually I don't think he's lyin' in this case. I rather suspect is has been "suggested" to him not be interested, so he's not. If and when that changes he'll be at the table with bells and whistles on.
 
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