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lowecur

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Well this is a big time mess, and AMR is about to take it on the chin. With the new international terminal D and $2.7B in expansion just about completed, AMR will have to pick up the cost, as per passenger costs rise from $4.24 in 2004 to $8.93 in 2008. Is it any wonder that SWA is not interested in moving over there.

AMR is moving their international gates from terminal B to D, and has rented 20 gates. The other international carriers have signed on the other remaining gates at the terminal. This leaves most of terminal B vacant also(add that to the 24 just vacated by DL). The article states that assessments will be spread around to all the airlines using the facility to make up the shortfall at the end of each year. The problem is AMR is DFW, and they will face the financial brunt of the assessments.

This begs the question, why would AMR continue to fight any carrier that wanted to establish DFW? AMR has to weigh the value of letting the competition into DFW against the extra cost of assessments by DFW. It is a no win situtation either way for AMR. Except for one Solution: Chapter 11. Who then gets stuck? The Bondholders. It ain't a rosy scenerio going forward for DFW.

Does it make sense to offer SWA a huge financial package to move? Hell yes,. $500M would be a bargain in the long run. Let's see what transpires in the next few months.


D/FW loses its bet on airline industry recovery


By Bryon Okada
Star-Telegram Staff Writer

D/FW AIRPORT - In the days after Sept. 11, 2001, D/FW officials gambled. As some airports cut back, D/FW pushed forward with its $2.7 billion expansion. In doing so, it rolled the dice, betting that the airlines would stabilize and that the industry would quickly recover.

Neither happened. Now Dallas/Fort Worth Airport faces the toughest times in its 30-year history.

"I don't think anybody knew what to fully expect after 9-11," D/FW Chief Executive Jeff Fegan said. "We knew the airlines were in significant trouble after 9-11. I can't say that any of us predicted the kinds of things that happened."

D/FW officials believed they could produce revenues that would outgrow a mountain of new costs.

But the pullout by Delta Air Lines, announced in September and to be completed Tuesday, sank revenue projections -- adding a $35 million bad guy to fiscal 2005, followed by a $50 million bad guy in fiscal 2006, and so on.

After four years of operations cuts, layoffs, pay freezes, SARS, security costs and war, it's a swath of empty gates in Terminal E that has D/FW at its most financially vulnerable since it opened in 1974, its top executives say.

"We are basically to the bone and can't cut any more -- and come next year, all the expenses come on," D/FW Chief Operating Officer Kevin Cox said.

The financial concerns are mounting:

• On Tuesday, Delta leaves 24 gates empty, and D/FW loses its elite status as one of two U.S. airports -- with Chicago O'Hare -- to boast two hubs run by large, traditional carriers.

• The $1 billion, 2-million-square-foot Terminal D, which opens in July, increases terminal space by 52 percent, but it is not fully leased.

• This year's operational budget is $494.1 million, up 50 percent from last year. Net debt service and mandatory reserves account for nearly half the budget.

• Energy costs are doubling this year.

• Debt, held below $700 million before the Terminal D expansion, is more than $3.8 billion.

• D/FW's low cost to airlines -- its biggest selling point in attracting carriers -- will more than double by 2009, according to airport consultant Leigh Fischer.

• Most of what would have been Delta's share of the debt payments will probably fall on American in the form of higher landing fees and charges.

• The Wright Amendment, which limits growth at rival Dallas Love Field, is under siege. Southwest Airlines' attempts to start long-haul service at Dallas Love Field could siphon additional revenues from D/FW.

And, having abandoned any hope of luring Southwest to D/FW, airport executives are free to express their fury at Southwest's attempts to repeal the Wright Amendment.

"The thing that bothers this industry the most is uncertainty," Fegan said. "I think the Wright Amendment presents a tremendous amount of uncertainty into the industry and into this marketplace, and that's not good."

D/FW and American have argued that uncertainty over the Wright Amendment is one factor hindering efforts to lure tenants to Terminal E.

How important are Delta's empty gates to D/FW's decision-making?

Airport officials wouldn't have considered building Terminal D if they suspected Delta was leaving; instead, they would be remodeling Terminal E, Fegan and Cox said.

"It doesn't mean we wouldn't ultimately need D," Cox said. "But we would wait to see if we got E backfilled. Otherwise we're building facilities where we have capacity that exists."

Economies of scale

For 30 years, D/FW officials have followed a simple formula: A bigger airport will bring in more passengers, which will mean airlines can spread out costs over more ticket buyers.

"Every time we have major capital improvements, over time the growth in passengers actually caused the cost per enplaned passenger to go down," Fegan said. "That has historically been the case."

D/FW gets its revenues from aviation and nonaviation sources, including landing fees charged to airlines, parking, terminal rent, use fees (such as permitting nonsignatory planes to land), concessions, utility fees to tenant companies, employee transportation, taxi rentals, and leasing portions of its 18,000 acres for cargo hangars, gas stations, warehouses, distribution centers and foreign trade zones.

At the terminals, however, D/FW was following the industry pattern of running out of space.

Before 9-11, airports made the news because of record flight delays and cramped terminals.

After soaring to 851,101 takeoffs and landings in 1997, D/FW operations leveled off. The seven-runway airfield wasn't the problem. D/FW didn't have enough terminal gate space to get any bigger. American's D/FW gate turnover -- the number of times a day that a plane pulls in and pulls out at a gate -- was at or near the top nationwide.

So D/FW embarked on its five-year expansion program. Airlines were sold on the idea that the costs would go through the roof but that additional flights and passengers would eventually drive the costs down.

But after 9-11, airline bankruptcies, the Iraq war, the SARS outbreak, increasing jet fuel prices and airline labor unrest created instability in the industry.

Still, it is Delta's departure that leaves the airport without a growing passenger base. The airport's 2005 outlook is 718,000 takeoffs and landings -- 102,000 below the forecasts before Delta announced its pullout.

That means D/FW, traditionally one of the nation's most affordable big airports for airlines, is -- for now at least -- overdeveloped and too expensive.

D/FW's cost per enplaned passenger -- an industry figure used to measure an airport's cost-effectiveness to airlines -- will rise from $4.24 in 2004 to $8.93 in 2009. As D/FW loses traffic, the cost rises.

D/FW officials had enough warning of Delta's pullout to cut $10 million from the 2005 budget. But "we don't have that revenue source," Cox said. "We don't know if we cut enough or not until we see what the actual revenues are."

Industry analysts say that after 9-11, the consensus was that -- based on what happened in the Persian Gulf War -- aviation would be down for two years.

The biggest airlines were also out making huge commitments to their labor unions and ordering up lots of new planes, resulting in today's runaway expenses and overcapacity.

But recovery has been slower. Most recent airline projections contain gloomy forecasts for 2005 and 2006.

Not a time for a hub airport to be sticking its flagship carrier with extra bills.

At a mid-January news conference of AMR, American Airlines' parent, Chief Financial Officer James Beer listed D/FW's Terminal D among "drivers of costs going in the wrong direction."

Further, if the Wright Amendment protection falls, costs to airlines operating at D/FW could be higher than expected.

American spokesman Tim Wagner said of D/FW's expansion: "This financing was put in place with the full belief that the Wright Amendment would be in place."

The Wright Amendment is a concern, Colorado-based airport consultant Mike Boyd said -- if you're American.

A second and possibly larger effect of the Wright Amendment is its protection of D/FW's international profile. Right now, D/FW is the center of a giant "hub-and-spoke" system; through D/FW a traveler can pretty much go from anywhere to anywhere.

The cheaper option is low-cost carriers using point-to-point routes. And that's great for a traveler living in, say, New York, who wants to get to Los Angeles, said Stephen Van Beek, senior vice president of policy and strategic development for Airports Council International-North America. For the traveler in Lubbock who wants to get to London, it's another story.

Lubbock doesn't have enough London-bound people to make it worthwhile for an airline to offer that flight. The successful international airport juggles numerous short-haul flights -- accumulating one passenger from Lubbock, another from El Paso, two more from Austin -- to make a London flight profitable enough, Van Beek said.


 
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"You need to understand the ripple effect," Cox, of D/FW, said. "If we lose connecting traffic and [origination and destination] traffic, then we're not going to get international flights."

Those are exactly the flights D/FW officials hoped to add when they started the airport expansion.

But echoing Southwest's argument, Boyd said repealing the Wright Amendment would cause lower fares and more passenger traffic at both airports. "D/FW is served by everybody who wants to be there," he said.

Going forward

Gates are available at D/FW.

Terminal D will open with 28 gates and room for 12 more. American is leasing 20 gates, with eight more being taken by foreign and other carriers.

Terminal E is mostly empty. D/FW officials offered a $22 million incentive plan to any airline willing to start a new hub there. Airport officials say "multiple" carriers are kicking the tires on the deal.

Aviation experts, however, have their doubts.

"I was surprised the airport thought they had a chance at that," said Patrick Murphy of Washington, D.C.-based Gerchick-Murphy Associates. "Airlines may want to and will expand at Dallas, but to open up a large hub at this moment with the airlines all fighting to stay alive?"

Murphy speculated that D/FW's leaders may actually be looking to negotiate smaller deals.

Terminal E can be partitioned into three sections. If worse comes to worst -- nobody wants to hub there, nobody wants a smaller portion of gates there -- sections can be sealed off.

Plans to move out concessionaires are under way.

Normally, if someone were to ask D/FW to build a hub, the lag time would be about five years of construction for a new terminal. Terminal E is a unique opportunity. But the question remains: Does anybody new really want to hub at D/FW?

In those terms, Terminal E has become a spec building.

"We're at the 10-yard line," Fegan said.

By that, he doesn't mean close to scoring a touchdown.

"We're on the 10-yard line on the other side of the field," he clarified.

IN THE KNOW

Covering the gap

D/FW Airport has relied on long lease agreements with airlines since it opened in 1974. Those airlines are known as signatory airlines and are ultimately responsible for the operating costs of the airport.

When expenses start to exceed revenues in a given year at D/FW, the airport can raise the signatory airlines' landing fees to close the gap. If the gap is not closed by the end of the year, the airport bills each airline according to the landed weight of its planes in that year.

The last time D/FW sent its airlines a bill was 1996.

When a signatory carrier, such as Delta Air Lines, reduces service, the financial responsibility is redistributed among all carriers. As of Tuesday, Delta's share of debt payments for the airport expansion will decline by more than 90 percent.

D/FW's signatory airlines are Air Canada, AirTran Airways, American Eagle, American Airlines, America West, ATA Airlines, Atlantic Southeast Airlines, British Airways, Champion Air, Continental Airlines, Delta Air Lines, Frontier Airlines, Korean Air Lines, Lufthansa German Airlines, Midwest Airlines, Northwest Airlines, SkyWest Airlines, United Airlines and US Airways.
 
Cheaper still would be to repeal the Wright Amendment, which would boost traffic at both DAL and DFW.

The only party hurt by eliminating the Wright Amendment is AMR. The Wright Amendment just serves to shore up AMR's financials.

lowecur said:
This begs the question, why would AMR continue to fight any carrier that wanted to establish DFW? AMR has to weigh the value of letting the competition into DFW against the extra cost of assessments by DFW. It is a no win situtation either way for AMR. Except for one Solution: Chapter 11. Who then gets stuck? The Bondholders. It ain't a rosy scenerio going forward for DFW.

Does it make sense to offer SWA a huge financial package to move? Hell yes,. $500M would be a bargain in the long run. Let's see what transpires in the next few months.
 
vc10 said:
Cheaper still would be to repeal the Wright Amendment, which would boost traffic at both DAL and DFW.

The only party hurt by eliminating the Wright Amendment is AMR. The Wright Amendment just serves to shore up AMR's financials.
WA repeal would not boost traffic at D/FW. Love Field has 18 unused gates, and SWA would grab most of those if the WA was repealed. The remaining gates would be grabbed by LCC's for limited operations, as costs to do business at Love Field are much less than D/FW. Nobody could compete from D/FW on a level playing field with SWA's costs at Love Field if the WA was repealed.
 
Where are you getting these "18 unused gates" at DAL?
 
HalinTexas said:
Where are you getting these "18 unused gates" at DAL?
That was kind of a wild guess, but I do believe SWA uses 14, no?:) There are a total of 32 gates at the airport, and I believe only 4 or so are used by other airlines for regional flts, so it's not inconceivable that SWA would wind up with another 14 gates if the WA was repealed.
 
Gate Question

Currently there are 14 gates at Love Field. The city has an agreement reached after hearings with local residents to have Love expand to no more than 32 gates. CAL has several gates (2 I believe) & the other "extra" gates while there, are currently being used in other capacities.... occupied by SWA assets, some of which will be moved to the new addition over in the new building across the runway (attached to the current GO). Don't know if a bond would need to be passed to build these gates or not but there is certainly more space if these other facilities were torn down & more gates built. A long way down the road. Of course some of the facilities could be remodeled & razed & modified for gates....some of them originally were.
 
chase said:
Currently there are 14 gates at Love Field. The city has an agreement reached after hearings with local residents to have Love expand to no more than 32 gates. CAL has several gates (2 I believe) & the other "extra" gates while there, are currently being used in other capacities.... occupied by SWA assets, some of which will be moved to the new addition over in the new building across the runway (attached to the current GO). Don't know if a bond would need to be passed to build these gates or not but there is certainly more space if these other facilities were torn down & more gates built. A long way down the road. Of course some of the facilities could be remodeled & razed & modified for gates....some of them originally were.
I guess what you are saying is concouse B needs to be updated. That would probably entail a complete renovation or demolition/rebuild. In either case you could rest assured that SWA would be the main beneficiary of gate expansion if the WA was repealed.
 
Chase beat me to it. It would take quite an investment to add gates at DAL.

I'm not sure what's happened to all the old Legend gates and terminal on Lemmon, but I do remember folks saying that it wasn't a good setup. Not enough parking, etc.

Can anyone answer the status in Congress of the movement to repeal the WA? Just wondering how long it will take to get to a vote, even if it's attached to another bill as the WA orgionally was.
 
lowecur said:
That was kind of a wild guess, but I do believe SWA uses 14, no?:) There are a total of 32 gates at the airport, and I believe only 4 or so are used by other airlines for regional flts, so it's not inconceivable that SWA would wind up with another 14 gates if the WA was repealed.


And once again.....oh, nevermind....
 
lowecur said:
AMR is moving their international gates from terminal B to D, and has rented 20 gates. The other international carriers have signed on the other remaining gates at the terminal. This leaves most of terminal B vacant also(add that to the 24 just vacated by DL). The article states that assessments will be spread around to all the airlines using the facility to make up the shortfall at the end of each year. The problem is AMR is DFW, and they will face the financial brunt of the assessments.





AMR doesn't have any international gates in terminal B.
 
80drvr said:
AMR doesn't have any international gates in terminal B.
Otay. That's where all the international carriers seem to congregate. I guess those gates they have in terminal B would be closed, and the various gates AMR has at their terminals would be closed. The bottom line is, there will be lots of gates empty.
 
the other "extra" gates while there, are currently being used in other capacities.... occupied by SWA assets, some of which will be moved to the new addition over in the new building across the runway (attached to the current GO).

At one time, the North Concourse was home to Ground Ops and Inflight Initial Training, Uniform Services, and The University for People. Uniforms and Ground Ops training have since moved. Inflight Initial Training is in the midst of moving as of this writing with the 2/28/05 class scheduled to be held in their new digs. All that's left at Love Field is the "U for P". It's been awhile since I've been down that way. If I remember correctly, the gate areas remain but the jetways have been removed. The facilities are reminiscent of the old MDW or ISP terminals and would definitely need a bit of freshening up.
 
Actually, Ground Operations Training is still there. Or at least it was as of last week when I went there. ;) University for People and Inflight Training are still there for today, at least until the new addition at Headquarters is complete. Lots of stuff that still needs to be done before that 2/28 class for Inflight. I'll be interested to see if it actually takes place in the new facility. Inflight Training and University for People will move over to the new addition at Headquarters. Ground OpsTraining, as far as I know, will stay right where it is. There's really no benefit to moving it out of the North Concourse for the time being.


There has been talk of what will happen when Inflight Training and the University for People vacate the North Concourse facilities. Last I'd heard, nothing was firmed up yet.
 
You guys might live and work out there, but from my 6 months at DFW, that place just blows. It is the most inefficient airport in the US, rediculously over sized, with the silly little Disney trains to get from one terminal to another. Atlanta does so much more with so much less. The busiest airport in the world is simple. DFW is a wreck and has always been born of a compromise between politicians at Fort Worth and Dallas, with a causeway that serves neither population center.

The only thing good about Dallas was the video they made you watch with the Mexican family driving the Dodge van around airside until they found their gate. They pulled right up beside their American flight and parked on the ramp. While it was a heck of security breach, it was sure fun to watch Cisco, Julio and Maria driving up the taxiway.
 
Put it into perspective. DFW was designed back in the '60's for a deregulated industry. It opened in '74. The airtran system was the bomb when it came out, also a '60's design, but it's layout was an afterthought. Very inefficient.

The point being: DFW (and MCI for that matter) was not designed for hub and spoke. You drove up to the terminal infront of the airline you were flying, parked or were dropped off, and walked up to your airplane. No one connected anywhere. Braniff was the biggest player then, but they didn't take up a whole terminal. ATL isn't all that great a place to connect in either. Particularly if you park at the end of the concourse and have to change terminals, it's a pain in the feet. The new DEN terminal, while beautiful is also a little bit of a pain. The security is ridiculous now. Face it. There is such a thing as a "terminal size" to a terminal. :^) This country has decided to only make mega-size airports, funnelling everyone through one place, instead of several smaller airports serving a region. No city puts all their malls, sporting events, and schools all in one place, why should airports be any different? Just my opinion.
 
Fins are you kidding? DFW is so much better to operate at than ATL. The new trains opening in the spring will solve the biggest problem. Now if you're talking from a pax standpoint then ATL is definitely more friendly.
 

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