Welcome to Flightinfo.com

  • Register now and join the discussion
  • Friendliest aviation Ccmmunity on the web
  • Modern site for PC's, Phones, Tablets - no 3rd party apps required
  • Ask questions, help others, promote aviation
  • Share the passion for aviation
  • Invite everyone to Flightinfo.com and let's have fun

Deta CFO Leaves by 4/30

Welcome to Flightinfo.com

  • Register now and join the discussion
  • Modern secure site, no 3rd party apps required
  • Invite your friends
  • Share the passion of aviation
  • Friendliest aviation community on the web

storminpilot

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 6, 2003
Posts
282
http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/040415/airlines_delta_2.html

Reuters
UPDATE - Delta CFO Burns to leave airline April 30
Thursday April 15, 7:21 am ET

CHICAGO, April 15 (Reuters) - Delta Air Lines (NYSE:DAL - News) said on Thursday that Chief Financial Officer M. Michele Burns will leave the company on April 30.

Burns, who was recruited by Delta's former chief executive, Leo Mullin in 1999, will join Mirant Corp. in Atlanta as executive vice president and chief financial officer, where she will lead the company's financial restructuring.

Chief Executive Gerald Grinstein said in a statement that he would announce a replacement for Burns soon.

Delta has had a lot of turnover at the top in recent months. Grinstein took the helm at the start of the year after Mullin's departure. Fred Reid, Delta's former president, recently left the No. 3 U.S. airline to head up a domestic U.S. start-up by Virgin Group (VA.UL).

OK, what does she know?
 
Lets see.

Today is the 15th and she is leaving on the 30th. Yeah, thats 2 weeks notice. There is nothing abnormal about a corporate CFO giving 2 weeks notice and getting out of town?

Is that possibly Grinstein giving her the boot out the door ???

Or is Michelle running as fast as she can. With her severance package of course.

Chief Executive Gerald Grinstein said in a statement that he would announce a replacement for Burns soon.

No replacement for the corporate CFO before the current one leaves ????
 
Last edited:
Another example of the management rentention bonus scheme working to retain these irreplaceable corporate officers.
 
It's so crystal clear it's scary.... Clearly Grinstein is forcing out the "old guard" so that he can literally blame them and say, "well, mistakes were made, but those people are gone now..." This is a good way to force negotiations because people can't blame a management that doesn't exist anymore.... Get it?

Well, the BOARD OF DIRECTORS can also be blamed - and Grinstein was on the Board. Why wasn't he more actively involved in strategic decisions that impacted the airline? Where's the accountability from the board of directors? How many of those people will he force out as well?

It's a witch hunt and soon there will be nobody else to blame but the pilots....
 
It's not abnormal to see this. Horton, the ex CFO at AA did the exact same thing.
 
Six,
What is also scary is I find myself agreeing with you on this one.

So , anyone up for a pool, not a poll -- there are to many of those -- on when Ginstein makes it to BK? I got 3Q '04.
 
Pez,

You can't just go into Chap 11 and make the stock worthless for every single stock holder when you still have adequate cash on hand, and even the S&P yesterday said we will still have our current $2.2 billion through the end of the year due to the next two strong quarters. That would invite many lawsuits.

I think On Your Six is right, but I also read that top managment at Delta is getting annoyed that Grinstein isn't sharing all the info, and is leaving them out of higher positions. The guy seems to be doing a good job of trying to scare the pilots and scare all of the management people, while at the same time trying to appease the stews and mechanics. The article also stated that HE HIMSELF has taken over most of the negotiating with the pilots.....He needs to realize that the pilot group will vote on concessions---not he and Malone.

Bye Bye--General Lee:rolleyes: ;)
 
Just a bit of a joke there, General. I realize they cannot intenionally bankrupt the company, but it sure seems like the writing on the wall is getting easier to read.
 
$23B in debt, and interest rates are rising. If the majority of their debt floats with the prime on a daily basis, then short term interest rate costs will go up dramatically in the next year.

Sorry, but I don't see any way to save the airline. Michele made a smart move, and others will follow. Even if the pilots worked for free it wouldn't be enough, as their fate is sealed.
 
Lowecur,

What? I guess all of the other airlines are in massive trouble too, right? Are USAir and United still around? They are? Lowecur says they aren't. AA even has more debt after the TWA purchase. You forgot sky high fuel bills. Only Southwest and Jetblue will survive this.....right?

It is funny that you, and not any analaysts, feel this way, but I am going to go with YOU! I just sold my WIFE and House and I am going to hitch hike across the nation--grow a beard, and look for logging work in the NW.......

Where are all of those EMB orders?


It appears Grinstein is giving Trump a run for his money...."You're Fired!"

Bye Bye--General Lee:rolleyes: ;)
 
Last edited:
That was a tough one, she was a good woman. But, if Lowecur is right, which he has been 100% of the time, it was a good decision. She really made good crab cakes, too.

Bye Bye--General Lee:(
 
General Lee said:
Lowecur,


It is funny that you, and not any analaysts, feel this way, but I am going to go with YOU! I just sold my WIFE and House and I am going to hitch hike across the nation--grow a beard, and look for logging work in the NW.......
Let me hear you do your best Gump impression - "Mama always said"..............:D :D

I think it was Grinstein or Arpey that said only 2 majors will be around in 10 years. Sorry General Gump, but DL won't be one of them. With the Federal Deficit going through the roof and a moderate recovery in the economy, this is a perfect formula for disaster for those firms that are highly leveraged. Sure most of the majors are up to their ears in debt, but the ones that will survive will be the ones that have the ability to access funds from the credit markets while the rest implode.

Good luck, you'll need it.
 
Last edited:
Lowecur,

Seriously dude, where are those EMB orders? You were soooo confident. I am glad that you have decided which airlines will be around in the future. I bet eventually Southwest and Aeroflot will be the only airlines left---IN DA WORLD!!!

Your past guesses show you have no future place as a prognosticator. Sorry bud.

Bye Bye--General Lee:rolleyes:
 
Here's an interesting article that relates to this topic:

http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/markets/ericgillin/10154235.html


Here's a quote I know the General will love since he loves quoting those analysts:

"Excluding pilots, analysts note Delta has the lowest costs of any of the legacy carriers, thanks in part to efficient use of planes and the fact none of its other work groups are unionized. All in all, CASM fell by 3.6% in the first quarter, despite a 12.3% rise in fuel costs."

Apparently those high-cost FA's you love to bash, aren't really so high cost after all.
 
Medflyer,

I just read that article too, and here is the part I like:

"Why Merely Bad Is Still Too Good
Indeed, the situation may have to deteriorate rapidly if Delta is going to convince pilots, who are some of the highest paid in the industry, to slash their wages. Delta may have lost $384 million but it's still a long way from a true liquidity crunch that would force union capitulation. With $26.2 billion in total assets against $12.5 billion in total debt, Delta management hasn't even invoked the dreaded b-word (bankruptcy protection) yet, despite having $3 billion in debt coming due over the next three years. "


It's all about trying to refinance that upcoming debt, and Wall Street would be more inclined to do it with some pilot pay cuts. I bet we could give them a big chunk right now---but they have to come to the table first........

The Deltanet gives the pay rates for those flight attendants and compares them with current pay at UAL and AA---and I believe our stews were paid 21% better than AA's, and 15 or 16% better than UA. So, our people are paid better, and we are really the only ones up for a pay cut......Hmmmmm....Your little paragraph stated it best---we only have one union---and they could impose anything they want right now for instant savings, and get it from us as well---probably $500 million a year in savings I bet.....(I am not a negotiator) Remember Medflyer, we are willing to negotiate....

Bye Bye--General Lee




:rolleyes:
 
Here's something related to the original topic:

How much cash will Burns line her pockets with when she walks out the door? If the CEO shamelessly took $16 million when he left, what will the CFO take?

C425Driver
 
General Lee said:
Medflyer,

I just read that article too, and here is the part I like:

"Why Merely Bad Is Still Too Good
Indeed, the situation may have to deteriorate rapidly if Delta is going to convince pilots, who are some of the highest paid in the industry, to slash their wages. Delta may have lost $384 million but it's still a long way from a true liquidity crunch that would force union capitulation. With $26.2 billion in total assets against $12.5 billion in total debt, Delta management hasn't even invoked the dreaded b-word (bankruptcy protection) yet, despite having $3 billion in debt coming due over the next three years. "


It's all about trying to refinance that upcoming debt, and Wall Street would be more inclined to do it with some pilot pay cuts. I bet we could give them a big chunk right now---but they have to come to the table first........

The Deltanet gives the pay rates for those flight attendants and compares them with current pay at UAL and AA---and I believe our stews were paid 21% better than AA's, and 15 or 16% better than UA. So, our people are paid better, and we are really the only ones up for a pay cut......Hmmmmm....Your little paragraph stated it best---we only have one union---and they could impose anything they want right now for instant savings, and get it from us as well---probably $500 million a year in savings I bet.....(I am not a negotiator) Remember Medflyer, we are willing to negotiate....

Bye Bye--General Lee
:rolleyes:

If your union is so serious about negotiating, why haven't they made another offer? DALPA has never budged off its opening position.

The reason they haven't made another offer is because DALPA has NO intentions of seriously negotiating right now. I know you believe every word the union says, but guess what General? Sometimes they lie.

Once DL gets closer to BK, then DALPA will get serious.
 
Brain Drain

http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/markets/ericgillin/10154235.html

Brain Drain Hobbling Delta Air
By Eric Gillin
TheStreet.com Staff Reporter
4/15/2004 1:14 PM EDT
URL: http://www.thestreet.com/markets/ericgillin/10154235.html

At a time when Delta Air Lines' (DAL:NYSE) corporate leadership is needed to step up and help the troubled airline completely rethink its business model, executives are stepping out to take jobs elsewhere. As a result, Wall Street and investors are losing faith in the company, where the situation will almost certainly have to get worse before it gets better.

The day after Delta announced a first-quarter loss of $384 million, three times what rival Continental (CAL:NYSE) lost in the first quarter, the company said CFO Michele Burns is leaving the company to take the same post at Mirant's (MIR:NYSE) at the end of the month. The news comes a week after the retirement of Terry Erskine, a key negotiator with the company's labor unions, and less than a month after President and COO Fred Reid left to join Virgin's soon-to-be announced low-cost airline serving the U.S.

"Michele was a valued member of Delta's management team, and we wish her well," said Katie Connell, spokeswoman for Delta, adding that CEO Gerald Grinstein will be meeting with the board and "announcing a replacement soon."

In reaction to the big loss and uncertainty around Delta's future, Prudential Equity Group analyst Dan Hemme downgraded the company to underweight from neutral weight, becoming the third brokerage to put a sell rating on the stock. Specifically, Hemme pointed out that the management changes have put the announcement of the company's restructuring plan off its original track, delaying it from June to late August.

By noon Thursday, shares were off 37 cents, or 4.8%, to $7.33, near their 52-week low of $7 set in March. Including today's stumble, shares of Delta are off 38% year to date.

Wrong Time for a Revolving Door

As Hemme notes, Delta's management woes not only exacerbate its present mission to review the company's business and wheedle a hefty pay cut from unions -- it also makes future management of the business an issue as well. Many of the structural changes the company is weighing may be made without the people who will, presumably, end up running the business once it's restructured.


"Most of the review process is being made without an acting COO who will likely be responsible to implement any announced changes and we believe it is unlikely that management will be able to make material assumptions and changes without the known outcome from pending pilot negotiations," said Hemme. " [There's] no foreseeable catalyst to propel the stock from the current lull."

Delta's pilots union appeared to take the executive departures in stride, but sounded a negative note on the course of negotiations: "Neither Reid nor Burns were directly involved in the negotiations. They were not individuals who were seated at the table," said Karen Miller, spokeswoman with the pilots union. "Erskine was, but the fact is, we'll sit down with whoever they have available, but we have not had a negotiating session since late January, so this has not affected the pace of negotiations. The fact is, nothing has been going on and we're not so happy about that."

One way Delta plans to work around the management crisis is by reassigning duties and eliminating executive positions. On a conference call discussing first-quarter earnings, CEO Gerald Grinstein said that he had no plans to replace Reid.

"I will say that in terms of the future, I don't plan to appoint another president and may not even appoint in exactly the same way a chief operating officer," said Grinstein. "My plan is to, at the board meeting next week following the shareholder meeting [on March 23] , review with the board my thoughts and plans about it. They'll probably be announced in the next week or 10 days after that."

With so many vacancies, Delta's plan, at least in the foreseeable future, is to shift responsibilities to lower members of the management team who worked closely with Reid. While Grinstein said it may have to hire some more personnel to bolster a negotiating team headed by Erskine, he said that people within the company will be promoted to the executive suite, after performing some of Reid's duties during the restructuring.

"This is a very strong and very passionate officer team and they've worked with Fred for a long time," said Grinstein. "I think they know what he thinks and how he thinks. Even though he may not be there in person, the kinds of views that he would have expressed are part of the consideration that we have in front of us. And so I don't think we're going to miss a beat."

Time Keeps on Slipping, Slipping, Slipping...

Analysts aren't so convinced. Not only are members of the strong and passionate officer team leaving, but the company has already missed a self-imposed June deadline to show the board a restructuring plan, and postponed its plan to lower its cost per available seat mile (CASM) by 15% in 2006. And with the loss of Erskine, and Grinstein insisting that pilots cut their pay by 30%, the hard-line stance likely will delay the negotiation process and weigh on shares until a deal is reached.


Optimism has faded fast, and few expect any movement on the issue until 2005. Originally, Morgan Stanley and other brokerages thought the deep losses would propel management and pilots to agree on wage cuts sometime in 2004, nearly a year before the contract expires in May 2005. In a worse-case scenario involving mediation requests and cooling off periods, which is often the case with airline negotiations, Lehman Brothers said Delta might not see wage concessions until fall 2005.

"It is much more likely that it will take negotiators until spring 2005 to reach terms acceptable to both pilots and management," said William Greene, analyst at Morgan Stanley, in a note. "In short, we believe things are likely to get worse at Delta before they get better."

Why Merely Bad Is Still Too Good

Indeed, the situation may have to deteriorate rapidly if Delta is going to convince pilots, who are some of the highest paid in the industry, to slash their wages. Delta may have lost $384 million but it's still a long way from a true liquidity crunch that would force union capitulation. With $26.2 billion in total assets against $12.5 billion in total debt, Delta management hasn't even invoked the dreaded b-word (bankruptcy protection) yet, despite having $3 billion in debt coming due over the next three years.

Furthermore, Delta's situation is improving on some fronts. The company is making strong progress in cutting other costs and pension issues may be easing. Excluding pilots, analysts note Delta has the lowest costs of any of the legacy carriers, thanks in part to efficient use of planes and the fact none of its other work groups are unionized. All in all, CASM fell by 3.6% in the first quarter, despite a 12.3% rise in fuel costs.

"We think having the lowest costs, and now, pension relief signed into law by President Bush will make it tough to convince pilots that they need to provide the kind of relief management is asking -- about $950 million in annual savings," said Daniel McKenzie, analyst at Citigroup Smith Barney, in a note. "Delta will have to reinvent itself as a pseudo low-cost carrier to succeed long term."

The situation is unquestionably bad at Delta, but in the eyes of the people who are being asked to take a 30% pay cut a year ahead of schedule, the performance may not be bad enough for them to cut deeply enough. If this happens, Delta could end up like US Airways (UAIR:Nasdaq) , which used Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection to lower costs and wheedle wage concessions from employees, only to exit bankruptcy, feel the heat of competition and have to seek additional pay cuts.

Ultimately, Delta management will have to make a very convincing case to sell pilots on a pseudo low-cost model, like the one employed profitably by America West (AWA:NYSE) . And with the lead negotiator retiring, the CFO leaving the company and a president seat likely to be empty for the time being, Delta's front line needs some unity to win back Wall Street.

"Given our concerns and management statements indicating that everything is on the table [with regards to restructuring] , Delta for us is like a box of chocolates," said McKenzie. "We're not sure what investors will get in one or two years."
 
Medflyer,

To expound on Storminpilot's article---this should answer your question:

"Delta's pilots union appeared to take the executive departures in stride, but sounded a negative note on the course of negotiations: "Neither Reid nor Burns were directly involved in the negotiations. They were not individuals who were seated at the table," said Karen Miller, spokeswoman with the pilots union. "Erskine was, but the fact is, we'll sit down with whoever they have available, but we have not had a negotiating session since late January, so this has not affected the pace of negotiations. The fact is, nothing has been going on and we're not so happy about that."


Can you see our view yet? Do you still think we don't care? Who is wrong here?

Bye Bye--General Lee

PS--the lead negotiator, Terry Erskine, used to be at NW. He SUPPOSEDLY went up to the NW Alpa leaders in 95 during their quick strike (I think it was in 95) and said, "IF you guys don't sign our deal I will show you the Chap 11 papers..." The NW guys said in reply "Terry, do what you gotta do, but we aren't signing that deal." Terry later backed down and NW Alpa got a better deal--including stock options....... Terry then was recruited by Ron Allen at DL. He wasn't liked much.....



:rolleyes:
 
Last edited:

Latest resources

Back
Top