destruction of unions

[GogglesPisano]

Europe is imploding from decades of socialist policies, and burdensome red tape.

If we want to create more middle class jobs, we need a job friendly environment. Not more government intervention. High taxes and excess regulation decrease employment.

The empirical proof of the failure of Europe is visible to anyone willing to see it.

How are Germany, Sweden and Denmark doing?

 

[Downwind]

Another thing we can thank unions for is this asinine seniority system. What other professional industry can one not take their experience and resume and move into a different job with at least equal pay/benefits if not better? Why in the world are pilots promoted to captain based solely on date of hire? Merit should absolutely come in to play. This "you're next" concept is mind boggling.

I'll say it again. Unions are for mindless unskilled drones who want protection from the same. They have no business representing supposed skilled professional labor.

 

[waveflyer]

Sorry, but I'm not going to dig on public unions when so many executives are still paying themselves 1000x out of proportion with what they earn. The problem starts at the top. I don't like anyone who gets something for nothing- but fix leadership and power structures first before I'm going to dig on law enforcement putting their life on the line and getting a pension-

Most teachers I know work their arse off and only accept the job bc of a good pension deal- taking that away after the fact is BS.

 

[waveflyer]

Downwind- as much as I agree with you- we've been there- and seniority solves many more problems than it creates. But transferring seniority or at least longevity ought to be an industry priority. The fact that we're married to our companies by seniority and cannot leave without severe hits, when our executives are not is one of our major problems

 

[tomgoodman]

Why in the world are pilots promoted to captain based solely on date of hire? Merit should absolutely come in to play. This "you're next" concept is mind boggling.

The military attempts to determine merit by convening "promotion boards". Other organizations use peer voting. Do you favor one of these approaches, or some other method?

 

[pilotyip]

executives are not is one of our major problems

Top management personnel, in Operations, Maintenance. Marketing, Legal, Finance, etc. have unique skills in dealing with large organizations. This makes them marketable when shopping for a job, unlike pilots whose skills are nearly universal.

 

[Smarta$$]

More executive cokk sucking for yip. Very predictable.

 

[livin'thesim]

How are Germany, Sweden and Denmark doing?

Europe's largest economic powerhouse (Germany) is doing tolerably well, but still has some corporations looking to escape regulation and taxes by offshoring their production.

The real problem for all of Europe is that its native citizens are not producing a birth rate that hits replacement levels. This coming inversion of the age distribution will put even more stress on their welfare state policies than in the US.

 

[livin'thesim]

Sorry, but I'm not going to dig on public unions when so many executives are still paying themselves 1000x out of proportion with what they earn. The problem starts at the top. I don't like anyone who gets something for nothing- but fix leadership and power structures first before I'm going to dig on law enforcement putting their life on the line and getting a pension-

Most teachers I know work their arse off and only accept the job bc of a good pension deal- taking that away after the fact is BS.

I'll dig on them then. If executive compensation (which is egregious, in many cases) was causing companies to go bankrupt, then sure.

But it is very clear that unsustainable and unrealistic pension promises WILL bankrupt many municipalities, even if taxes were tripled. We do not owe our civil servants a luxurious retirement, especially when so many of those contracts were achieved through unethical and coercive tactics.

Civil servants should not be able to retire at 50 and spend 25-30 years (the same span as their working years) living for free off the taxpayer.

The CEO compensation bit is just a red herring. You are basically saying that until the private sector changes, you are okay with the public unions raping and plundering the municipal treasuries.

Glad that many municipalities are waking up and taking action.

 

[livin'thesim]

Another thing we can thank unions for is this asinine seniority system. What other professional industry can one not take their experience and resume and move into a different job with at least equal pay/benefits if not better? Why in the world are pilots promoted to captain based solely on date of hire? Merit should absolutely come in to play. This "you're next" concept is mind boggling.

I'll say it again. Unions are for mindless unskilled drones who want protection from the same. They have no business representing supposed skilled professional labor.

Close, but not quite.

Unions are for workers who might be perceived by management to be unskilled drones. Don't forget how replaceable management thinks you are as a pilot.

You might be the best airline pilot in the world, but good luck getting management to actually act on that, even if they agreed. They will make a decision based on the dollars 99% of the time.

Your sentiment is valid, but it would probably be disastrous to de-unionize.