Dems & Reps

[doh]

I am encouraged! Foobar and Typhoon actually managed to dredge up old quotes that a public figure made which contridict what that person is doing today! Now all we have to do is get a few more liberals to dredge up some other old quotes. Like Al Gore's "Saddam Hussein is an evil dictator, with weapons of mass destruction, who will not hesitate to kill his own people."
This is a huge problem in this country today. No one wants the truth, they just want spin to gain power for themselves. Bush ignored the CIA and made the quote about the yellow cake. Now the democrat reps are critisizing that, but just a couple of weeks earlier they were yapping about how bad CIA is because their info was wrong about 9/11. You can't have it both ways, They can't be both always wrong and always right.
Let me rag on you free market types for a minute too! I just read in National Review some crap about how they believe wages and working conditions are rightly determined by employers and employees and the government should stay out of it. Oh bull, the case they were talking about was one where the employer had the upper hand. Let a bunch of pilots have the same chance (no RLA to keep us on the job while our contract is negotiated sooo slloowwllyy) and they would be yammering for the government to step in and force us to kowtow.
Last thing. Amendment 1 to the constitution: "CONGRESS shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." The state of Alabama ain't congress, they can put up the ten commandments if they want to! If Alabamans don't like it, they can throw the bums out, or they can move to Connecticut. Please, a few of you need to get a copy of the constitution ( they are free you know) and read it!
Thank you for letting me rant, blood pressure falling, feeling so much better!

 

[Foobar]

No, I pointed out that Rush is a Pot Smoking Monkey Wanker

You can be a hypocrite or a liar and not be a Pot Smoking Monkey Wanker.

 

[WrightAvia]

The state of Alabama ain't congress, they can put up the ten commandments if they want to! If Alabamans don't like it, they can throw the bums out, or they can move to Connecticut.

Boy, will them Alabamians be upset when they wake up to find that all the other religious organizations in the state sued to get a Buddha shrine and statue of Mohamed (or whatever) placed right next to those ten commandments.

What's next? Your favorite religious deity displayed on your personalized plates or drivers license?

 

[fLYbUDDY]

Last thing. Amendment 1 to the constitution: "CONGRESS shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." The state of Alabama ain't congress, they can put up the ten commandments if they want to! If Alabamans don't like it, they can throw the bums out, or they can move to Connecticut. Please, a few of you need to get a copy of the constitution ( they are free you know) and read it!

No it seems that a lot of people today don't consider Christianity or anything that represents it a religion that deserves any sort of constitutional rights (or rights in general.) They seem to view it as some sort of emotional threat that is an easy target to censor. And then when someone tries to defend their rights in the practice of their faith of Christian beliefs they are criticized, and told that they are outrageous and should keep their mouths shut and stop laying their "Jesus saves crap on me." You know why that is? Because people know that Christianity wouldn't cause someone to ram a plane into a building or threaten anyone's life, but it does convict them to think it (the God of Christianity) might be true and they would never want to admit that for whatever reason. So what do they do? "Let's rip the God this country was founded on out of everything." "And lets allow other gods religious expression but the God of the Christians is the one we shall censor." A good example is how school kids in California are having to take a class on Islam in public school. Try doing that sorta thing with a Christian class in public schools. You know it used to really bother me, and it still does a little (on a human rights level,) but let the country go to hell since that is what everyone seems to want; I know that I only have a few years (70 at the most) to endure this world and, all in all, that isn't all that long of a wait to check outta here! However, I will still share my beliefs and defend my rights as a U.S. citizen and I really don't care if it offends anyone! As it is written (this is why Christianity is so opposed by the majority of the world): "And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed."(John 3:19)

 

[Timebuilder]

Like Al Gore's "Saddam Hussein is an evil dictator, with weapons of mass destruction, who will not hesitate to kill his own people."

They also conveniently ignore what their favorite guy, President Clinton, had to say about Saddam, WMD, and the necessity he saw to lob some cruise missles into Iraq. We found remnants of a training center used to train people to take over airplanes, yet many still say that there is no connection between Iraq and terrorism. Of course, to admit this would weaken their opposition to Bush which they need to stir their election pot.

On the subjuect of "yellowcake". To say that Bush "ignored" the CIA info is a mistatement of fact. He listened to it, weighed it, and made a judgement based on the inconclusive info on that subject and a great many other factors before forming his policy.

We still don't know the entire story about Iraq's acquisition, or plans to acquire or develop, nuclear substances and devices.

 

[Brett Hull]

If Alabamans don't like it, they can throw the bums out, or they can move to Connecticut.

Trust me, as soon as I find another job I'll throw myself out of this a$$-backward, bible-thumping, inbreeding, nascar watching, are yewwww an Auburrnnnn or 'Bamaaaa fannnnn asking, $hithole they call Alabama!

BTW, did you guys see the protesters during that whole deal? Those were some high quality individuals. Shouldn't they have been working or something?

 

[AeroBoy]

You mean people in Alabama actually work? I thought everyone there was on welfare...

 

[DoinTime]

I am encouraged! Foobar and Typhoon actually managed to dredge up old quotes that a public figure made which contridict what that person is doing today! Now all we have to do is get a few more liberals to dredge up some other old quotes. Like Al Gore's "Saddam Hussein is an evil dictator, with weapons of mass destruction, who will not hesitate to kill his own people."
This is a huge problem in this country today. No one wants the truth, they just want spin to gain power for themselves. Bush ignored the CIA and made the quote about the yellow cake. Now the democrat reps are critisizing that, but just a couple of weeks earlier they were yapping about how bad CIA is because their info was wrong about 9/11. You can't have it both ways, They can't be both always wrong and always right.
Let me rag on you free market types for a minute too! I just read in National Review some crap about how they believe wages and working conditions are rightly determined by employers and employees and the government should stay out of it. Oh bull, the case they were talking about was one where the employer had the upper hand. Let a bunch of pilots have the same chance (no RLA to keep us on the job while our contract is negotiated sooo slloowwllyy) and they would be yammering for the government to step in and force us to kowtow.
Last thing. Amendment 1 to the constitution: "CONGRESS shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." The state of Alabama ain't congress, they can put up the ten commandments if they want to! If Alabamans don't like it, they can throw the bums out, or they can move to Connecticut. Please, a few of you need to get a copy of the constitution ( they are free you know) and read it!
Thank you for letting me rant, blood pressure falling, feeling so much better!

Good job Doh.....way to put your own spin on those subjects and prove your own point!

 

[WrightAvia]

BTW, did you guys see the protesters during that whole deal? Those were some high quality individuals. Shouldn't they have been working or something?

Yea, they were working. Working on a rediculous agenda that would eventually backfire, allowing every religion under the sky to put statues on government property.

 

[Timebuilder]

Yea, they were working. Working on a rediculous agenda that would eventually backfire, allowing every religion under the sky to put statues on government property.

The "statue" was esentially a plaque, carved in relief, of the ten items that are mentioned in the Alabama Constitution. No other lists of basic legal premises or religious themes are mentioned in the Alabama Constitution, so there was no danger of a Buddah, Krishna, Quoran, or any other item being put there in the couthouse.

Tune in CSPAN early and watch what happens before congress starts their session, or visit the Supremem Court building and take a look at what is posted there. No guesses? They have the Ten Commandments at the Supreme Court, and Congress starts their day with a prayer.

I guess congress has better protected rights than those of public school children, or their parents.

 

[bart]

Get rid of all of them


Vote Libertarian.

 

[Timebuilder]

Vote Libertarian

Remember what happened the last time that any signifigant number of people voted for a third party candidate?

Bill Clinton happened.

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

Yes Timebuilder, Bill Clinton is the worst thing that ever happened to the United States. Thank goodness for Bill or Repubs would still be bashing Jimmy Carter! Amazing the amount of hatred the GOP and their followers have for him.........

 

[Timebuilder]

Amazing the amount of hatred the GOP and their followers have for him.........

I don't hate him, but I wholeheartedly despise what he did to the decorum of his office, the reputation of the United States, and the influence he made to contribute to the cultural decay of the nation in general and a generation of young people in particular.

If that isn't enough, we can talk about selling missle technology to the Chinese, who will market it to our enemies.

So, you don't want to go and vote third party. There is simply too much at stake if you allow your vote to be siphoned off to a null column, allowing another liberal in the door of 1600 Pennsylvania anvenue.

 

[bigD]

to contribute to the cultural decay of the nation in general and a generation of young people in particular.

As often as you mention this, I sure hope you bother to get to know a "young person" before you apply this judgement of them, rather than after.

 

[Foobar]

Yeah, times were hard in 1996. Unemployment at an all time low, crime rates dropping like a rock. But now things are dandy. The job market is lousy and getting worse. College tuition is up by 30%, keeping the poor out thank God.

You know what would be even better, if we could go back to 1960 and keep the women, blacks and gays where they belong! And we wouldn't have to worry about Jews running for office either. Yes indeed, we need more Jesus and more war.

 

[Timebuilder]

Well, lets see. Theres' my two nieces, 14 and 22. Then there's my friend, a vice principal of a public high school. Then there's the young pilots I know, and the girls who worked at my past two employers: 17, 20, 24, 25, and 27. Then there is the writings of other teachers, counselors, and my associations with the team members from my church that work in the juvenile detention center. Then there's the many young listeners I met as a radio and TV personality from 1973 to 1990, so I have a baseline, and finally, my own personal sense of our changing culture, and oral sex being referred to as a "lewinski" by teens young enough to be ineligible for a driver's license.

Need any more?

 

[UpNDownGuy]

My Friend, Timebuilder

First off; The Constitution guarantees freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion. Kinda the whole reason our forefathers left merry old England in the first place. It doesn't say anywhere that your life will be free of any religious elements. It just says the Congress can't support one religion over the other.






So, you don't want to go and vote third party. There is simply too much at stake if you allow your vote to be siphoned off to a null column, allowing another liberal in the door of 1600 Pennsylvania anvenue.


I have proudly voted Libertarian in the last three elections. I never considered it a "null" vote. My reason is simple: If we had a legitimate 3rd party in this country, that would be the end of the shady deals. Look at Great Britain, where there are dozens of parties. They can't get everyone to trade tit-for-tat, so the representatives are left to actually vote their concience. But, Timebuilder convinced me. This next election IS too important to waste my vote. That's why I intend to vote for whomever has the best chance of removing the current occupant of the White House. If it happens to be a Hillary/Satan ticket, I'll go campaign for them.

 

[Timebuilder]

First off; The Constitution guarantees freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion.

So far, we agree. However, those who are viciously anti-God don't think so. Read what it says on the ACLU website about prayer in school. It goes unchallenged when a school wants to have Islamic studies, though. That's okay.

That's why I intend to vote for whomever has the best chance of removing the current occupant of the White House. If it happens to be a Hillary/Satan ticket, I'll go campaign for them.

I'm glad you recognized that Hillary will insist on being on the top spot, which will show us who the ultimate evil is in an American politician.

 

[bigD]

I think you misunderstood, Timebuilder - I didn't disagree with your assertion necessarily, I just hope you're not judging individuals you meet based on your broad generalizations of young people in general.

 

[WrightAvia]

Randall Terry , founder of Operation Rescue:
“I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good… Our goal is a Christian Nation. We have a Biblical duty; we are called by God, to conquer this country. We don’t want equal time. We don’t want pluralism. ”

Jerry Falwell, founder of the Moral Majority: “Just give me the Supreme Court.”

Ralph Reed, former executive director of the Christian Coalition:
“I do guerrilla warfare. I paint my face and travel at night. You don’t know until you’re in a body bag. You don’t know till election night.”

Pat Robertson, GOP presidential candidate, 1988:
“When the Christian majority takes over this country, there will be no more satanic churches, no more free distribution of pornography, no more abortion on demand, and no more talk of rights for homosexuals. After the Christian majority takes control, pluralism will be seen as immoral and evil and the state will not allow anyone to practice it. ”

 

[Timebuilder]

Randall Terry , founder of Operation Rescue

To quote this guy in any reasonable discussion of abortion is to quote David Duke or Jesse Jackson on race relations.

Jerry Falwell, founder of the Moral Majority: “Just give me the Supreme Court.”

That's reasonable. The liberal secular humanists want the court, too.

Ralph Reed, former executive director of the Christian Coalition:“I do guerrilla warfare. I paint my face and travel at night. You don’t know until you’re in a body bag. You don’t know till election night.”

A pretty good analogy to politics. It's like a war, and you don't know if you're dead of alive until election night.

Pat Robertson, GOP presidential candidate, 1988: “When the Christian majority takes over this country, there will be no more satanic churches, no more free distribution of pornography, no more abortion on demand, and no more talk of rights for homosexuals. After the Christian majority takes control, pluralism will be seen as immoral and evil and the state will not allow anyone to practice it. ”

This won't happen until the Lord returns after the tribulation. At that point, it's God's way, or the highway. That's when the Christian Majority takes over.

 

[bigD]

This won't happen until the Lord returns after the tribulation.

When is this supposed to happen? Hopefully not anytime this week - I have a fluids exam on Friday, and really need to concentrate on studying.

 

[Timebuilder]

Seven years after the rapture.

I think you're OK for the test.

 

[bigD]

Heh - I realized I forgot to put a smiley on my post. I'm glad you have a sense of humor!

 

[Timebuilder]

I had to laugh when you said "fluids exam". Sounds like a trip to the doc!

 

[bigD]

As unprepared for the exam as I am - it may end up feeling like a trip to the doctor! The proctologist, to be more precise!

 

[Super 80]

This won't happen until the Lord returns after the tribulation.
Seven years after the rapture.

From a Biblical perspective may I interject into your introduction a different perspective and a different thread?

Jesus does return after the great tribulation or distress. But the manner of His arrival as laid out in the Bible, does not necessarily follow the rapture by seven years, but the general sense of wrath following the rapture is upheld. Jesus Himself lays the key passage in the Gospels.

After the truth of Jesus' first advent to lay down His life in ransom for many is the surety of His return.

 

[Timebuilder]

If you like, I can find both the scriptural references and the calculation of the seven year timeline.

While no man knows when the rapture will happen (theoretically, it could happen at ANY moment) this even begins the tribulation, whcih Bible scholars have widely agreed is a period of seven years, during which the antichrist unifies the world after surviving a mortal wound to his head. Following this period, the Lord returns to defeat evil and begins His "millenial reign", ruling the earth from Jerusalem for 1,000 years.

 

[Super 80]

If you like, I can find both the scriptural references and the calculation of the seven year timeline.

While no man knows when the rapture will happen (theoretically, it could happen at ANY moment) this even begins the tribulation, whcih Bible scholars have widely agreed is a period of seven years, during which the antichrist unifies the world after surviving a mortal wound to his head. Following this period, the Lord returns to defeat evil and begins His "millenial reign", ruling the earth from Jerusalem for 1,000 years.

Yes, there is a seventieth 'seven' and it comes from Daniel 9:24-27. This period is not mentioned anywhere in the Bible as being the time of distress, thlipsis in the Greek. In a prophetic nature that time is referred to being without equal, thus it is a specific and unique time. It is also referred to by Jesus as being shortened or else none of the elect would survive, and as Paul says we will not all "sleep"--1Co15:51 & 1Th 4:17

The only place in the Bible where the seventieth 'seven' is to start is in Daniel 9:27, and that is with the covenant with many, ostensibly with Israel. This is the coveted Middle East peace treaty.

You are correct, no man knows the day or the hour. But Jesus lays out the key passage in putting forth a sequence of events.

Do you know what the beast of the sea (the Antichrist) does after surviving a fatal blow (with the help of the false prophet- the beast of the land)-(and not necessarily a head wound)? Specifically, how does that line up with the seventieth 'seven'?