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Press ReleaseSource: Delta Air Lines, Inc.

Delta Air Lines to Install Winglets On Three Aircraft Types
Monday June 18, 11:59 pm ET
Winglets expected to reduce fuel emissions and save millions in fuel cost
PARIS, June 18, 2007 (PRIME NEWSWIRE) -- Delta Air Lines (NYSE:DAL - News) will continue to build on its international expansion by installing Blended Winglets on more than 60 Boeing 737-NG, 757-200 and 767-300ER aircraft types. The improvement will provide greater flexibility to serve more markets with existing aircraft, further enhancing the largest international expansion in Delta's history. Blended winglets are wing tip devices that reduce drag thanks to improved aerodynamics, resulting in a reduction in fuel usage.

Blended Winglets create an opportunity for us to improve both our operating and fuel efficiency simultaneously,'' said Jim Whitehurst, Delta's Chief Operating Officer. ``We expect to see a minimum of 3.5 percent improvements in our fuel consumption and a minimum of 5 percent in our range thanks to this added technology. Our customers will benefit from Delta's ability to offer more destinations, and Delta benefits from new efficiencies that will improve our operations and better the environment.''
Delta will have the winglets installed on 38 737-NGs, 10 757-200 and 15 767-300ER aircraft by Aviation Partners Boeing, with options to install on all aircraft in the three fleets. As a result, the 737-NG type aircraft, which is currently receiving 10 additional seats and a state-of-the-art in-flight entertainment system, will easily operate coast-to-coast. The 10 757-200 aircraft are being retrofitted with Delta's award-winning Business Elite product as well as other international requirements and will be ideal aircraft for service between the Northeast region of the U.S. and Western Europe. The 767-300ER aircraft will realize both extended range and expanded payload capability which will open up new market possibilities for Delta's customers and increase cargo sales opportunities.

``There is no doubt we will realize substantial savings thanks to reduced fuel burn as a result of the winglet installation,'' continued Whitehurst. ``But in addition to that, we'll also be able to examine new market possibilities for our customers and add to our long list of environmental initiatives, which includes a 30-year history of focusing on fuel savings.''

``Blended Winglets are the perfect product at the perfect time for the fast-growing expansion of Delta's international routes,'' Aviation Partners Boeing CEO John Reimers said. ``The significance of Delta committing to winglets for three aircraft types cannot be overstated.'' The winglet technology will provide Delta's 757-200 aircraft with 200 nautical miles of additional range, or they can carry up to 49 additional passengers on 4,000 mile routes. The 767-300ER aircraft will gain more than 350 nautical miles in range, or 5.5 tons of payload. For an airline expanding its international presence, this type of improvement creates opportunities that otherwise would have had to wait for the development of new aircraft types.





Bye Bye--General Lee
 
holy ********************, that's so ********************ing cool!!!!!
 
holy ********************, that's so ********************ing cool!!!!!

So is the rumored $20 Billion order with Boeing. How about them apples? News flash at SkyWest---new captain slots available in Millwaukee.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Took this long to realize this? About the winglets and all.

We had winglets on some Delta Shuttle 727s a ways back. Boeing said after we tried it that they couldn't guarantee they would be safe, so we took them off. We also wanted some for our 738s a few years ago, but the rumor I heard is that Boeing wanted a lot more from us but was offering them cheaper for some European LCCs. We didn't like that, but I guess all is well since we may have a $20 billion order with them soon.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
So is the rumored $20 Billion order with Boeing. How about them apples? News flash at SkyWest---new captain slots available in Millwaukee.


Bye Bye--General Lee

the pointe is....who the ******************** cares????

MKE captain slots...total burn...you really got me there...i'm totally humiliated, no, really...

Mookie
 
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Mookie,

Do you have some heartburn with Delta or something? You seem to post something negative after ever positive Delta thread. Whats the matter....didn't kick us enough while we were down?
 
General - Boeing hates (no, hate is not a strong enough word, loathes) it when a third party modifies and improves their airplanes. Often Boeing would attack the airworthiness of the modification and end up getting the FAA (who defers to the manufacturer about such things) to restrict, or limit, the modification.

For example, Boeing got the FAA to place lower weight limits on the 747-200's that had the cargo door mod done at shops other than Boeing. The 125,000lb weight restriction grounded almost all of the airplanes.

Aviation Partners must have made a deal with Boeing, or Boeing is so flush with work right now that they are not on the attack. Boeing does not usually tolerate competition when it comes to modifying their own product.
 
Fin think about this.
Boeing and DAL are in an 11th hour level negotiation over the 787 and 737 etc orders. This is just delta showing Boeing that they can have a solution that meets their "needs."
It is just being done in the press and not at the table.
DAL's EVP of air ops and many other very important people went over to Paris this week. What do you think they are there for? We will see what comes out later this week with the online chat on Thurs. I would be very surprised to see DAL and AMR leave the air show with out spending a few billion on shiny new aircraft.
 
So is the rumored $20 Billion order with Boeing. How about them apples? News flash at SkyWest---new captain slots available in Millwaukee.


Bye Bye--General Lee

I don't have a horse in this race, but putting down Milwaukee, while CVG remains a senior base at DL....

Good on Delta, would like to see some 78's over there.
 
Mookie,

Do you have some heartburn with Delta or something? You seem to post something negative after ever positive Delta thread. Whats the matter....didn't kick us enough while we were down?


nothing against Delta...had a great time flying for them in the past. just think that General is a moron...seriously, posting how wonderful it is that Delta is getting winglets? even the Cal guys didn't do that three years ago when they started doing it on their airplanes. how many posts is he up to now?

hopefully they'll build a baby 787 and I'll get to retire on it.

Mookie
 
Fin think about this.
Boeing and DAL are in an 11th hour level negotiation over the 787 and 737 etc orders. This is just delta showing Boeing that they can have a solution that meets their "needs."
It is just being done in the press and not at the table.

I think you're right. They're not getting enough of the winglets to make a bit of difference and all it does is create two new fleet types that have to be managed to keep them on certain routes. (If they don't, you'll see non-winglet 757's at SNN and wingleted 757's in JAX.)

And, Delta is at the back of a very long line of customers for the 767 winglets. You won't see them around for a while.

This was a drive-by in Boeing's hood for Delta. TC
 
nothing against Delta...had a great time flying for them in the past. just think that General is a moron...seriously, posting how wonderful it is that Delta is getting winglets? even the Cal guys didn't do that three years ago when they started doing it on their airplanes. how many posts is he up to now?

hopefully they'll build a baby 787 and I'll get to retire on it.

Mookie

Talk about a moron, take a look in the mirror pal. I just posted the article, without any commentary. I thought it was an interesting article, and I didn't even know airlines were putting winglets on 767-300s.

As far as how many posts I have, it will grow. I enjoy this forum and aviation in general. Please put me on ignore if you don't want to see my posts, which will be over 9000 soon. Have fun in Millwaukie, and you may retire on the CR9 with 76 seats. (a widebody RJ--LOL)

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Thanks General...I will have a great time flying wide bodied Rj's in MKE...:beer:
sing along everyone:

"we're gonna do it..our way...yes, our way...make all our dream come true...for me and you...."

"you know it's Algonquin for...."

by the way...open question for anyone...What the hell does "LOL" mean? have we really become that lazy?
Mookie
 
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We had winglets on some Delta Shuttle 727s a ways back. Boeing said after we tried it that they couldn't guarantee they would be safe, so we took them off. We also wanted some for our 738s a few years ago, but the rumor I heard is that Boeing wanted a lot more from us but was offering them cheaper for some European LCCs. We didn't like that, but I guess all is well since we may have a $20 billion order with them soon.


Bye Bye--General Lee

I think they were called Valsan winglets on only a handful of 727's.
 
nothing against Delta...had a great time flying for them in the past. just think that General is a moron...seriously, posting how wonderful it is that Delta is getting winglets? even the Cal guys didn't do that three years ago when they started doing it on their airplanes. how many posts is he up to now?

hopefully they'll build a baby 787 and I'll get to retire on it.

Mookie


If you dont like it, don't read it! Shut the he## up already! Now get back to cleaning our restrooms Lav Rat!
 
I think they were called Valsan winglets on only a handful of 727's.


Not exactly. The original Valsan modification was designed to to make the old B727 Stage III compliant. The actual mod involved putting -217C (MD-82) engines on the #1 and #3 pod positions. The center was usually re-engiend with a -17. It had the reverser restricted.

Later the winglet was a modification however it was not necesarily Valsan's winglet.

Regards,

AA




P.S.

Kelowna was the first company to install winglets on the 727, DuganAir and Raisbeck worked on a Quiet Wing Program which had winglets as an option.
 
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who gave a crap about the winglets on the B727s. The price of fuel was less than half for the most part when it was flying around.
 
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nothing against Delta...had a great time flying for them in the past.
looking at your profile, I'm guessing you're at LUV.....Congrats. Hope you're happy there. Have lots of friends there, and they're all quite happy. Wish we had the comraderie (sp) that they have.....

just think that General is a moron...seriously, posting how wonderful it is that Delta is getting winglets? even the Cal guys didn't do that three years ago when they started doing it on their airplanes. how many posts is he up to now?

hopefully they'll build a baby 787 and I'll get to retire on it.

Mookie

If you don't like what he has to say, put him on your ignore list. I'm sure many here have!

737
 
I thought I was an RJ captain at MKE...hmmmmmmmmmm....:rolleyes:


thansk 737pylt...not at tha LUV, but we still have great unity...

ignore button now pushed....

mookie
 
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Talk about a moron, take a look in the mirror pal. I just posted the article, without any commentary. I thought it was an interesting article, and I didn't even know airlines were putting winglets on 767-300s.

As far as how many posts I have, it will grow. I enjoy this forum and aviation in general. Please put me on ignore if you don't want to see my posts, which will be over 9000 soon.
Instead we should spam genital lee like he does to everyone else.

Have fun in Millwaukie, and you may retire on the CR9 with 76 seats. (a widebody RJ--LOL)

Bye Bye--General Lee


So this plan is going to be better than Song?
 
We had winglets on some Delta Shuttle 727s a ways back. Boeing said after we tried it that they couldn't guarantee they would be safe, so we took them off. We also wanted some for our 738s a few years ago, but the rumor I heard is that Boeing wanted a lot more from us but was offering them cheaper for some European LCCs. We didn't like that, but I guess all is well since we may have a $20 billion order with them soon.

I wonder what interent rate you'll be paying ....
Bye Bye--General Lee

Untill the next BK when they use what is left of your pension ot fund them.


So this plan is going to be better than Song?
 
So is the rumored $20 Billion order with Boeing. How about them apples? News flash at SkyWest---new captain slots available in Millwaukee.
Sweet, rumors pay really well don't they?

Bye Bye--General Lee


So this plan is going to be better than Song?
 
Press ReleaseSource: Delta Air Lines, Inc.

Delta Air Lines to Install Winglets On Three Aircraft Types
Monday June 18, 11:59 pm ET
Winglets expected to reduce fuel emissions and save millions in fuel cost
PARIS, June 18, 2007 (PRIME NEWSWIRE) -- Delta Air Lines (NYSE:DAL - News) will continue to build on its international expansion by installing Blended Winglets on more than 60 Boeing 737-NG, 757-200 and 767-300ER aircraft types. The improvement will provide greater flexibility to serve more markets with existing aircraft, further enhancing the largest international expansion in Delta's history. Blended winglets are wing tip devices that reduce drag thanks to improved aerodynamics, resulting in a reduction in fuel usage.

Blended Winglets create an opportunity for us to improve both our operating and fuel efficiency simultaneously,'' said Jim Whitehurst, Delta's Chief Operating Officer. ``We expect to see a minimum of 3.5 percent improvements in our fuel consumption and a minimum of 5 percent in our range thanks to this added technology. Our customers will benefit from Delta's ability to offer more destinations, and Delta benefits from new efficiencies that will improve our operations and better the environment.''
Delta will have the winglets installed on 38 737-NGs, 10 757-200 and 15 767-300ER aircraft by Aviation Partners Boeing, with options to install on all aircraft in the three fleets. As a result, the 737-NG type aircraft, which is currently receiving 10 additional seats and a state-of-the-art in-flight entertainment system, will easily operate coast-to-coast. The 10 757-200 aircraft are being retrofitted with Delta's award-winning Business Elite product as well as other international requirements and will be ideal aircraft for service between the Northeast region of the U.S. and Western Europe. The 767-300ER aircraft will realize both extended range and expanded payload capability which will open up new market possibilities for Delta's customers and increase cargo sales opportunities.

``There is no doubt we will realize substantial savings thanks to reduced fuel burn as a result of the winglet installation,'' continued Whitehurst. ``But in addition to that, we'll also be able to examine new market possibilities for our customers and add to our long list of environmental initiatives, which includes a 30-year history of focusing on fuel savings.''

``Blended Winglets are the perfect product at the perfect time for the fast-growing expansion of Delta's international routes,'' Aviation Partners Boeing CEO John Reimers said. ``The significance of Delta committing to winglets for three aircraft types cannot be overstated.'' The winglet technology will provide Delta's 757-200 aircraft with 200 nautical miles of additional range, or they can carry up to 49 additional passengers on 4,000 mile routes. The 767-300ER aircraft will gain more than 350 nautical miles in range, or 5.5 tons of payload. For an airline expanding its international presence, this type of improvement creates opportunities that otherwise would have had to wait for the development of new aircraft types.





Bye Bye--General Lee

Do the winglets make the jets cheaper when they get parked in the desert during your next BK?


So this plan is going to be better than Song?
 
General - Boeing hates (no, hate is not a strong enough word, loathes) it when a third party modifies and improves their airplanes. Often Boeing would attack the airworthiness of the modification and end up getting the FAA (who defers to the manufacturer about such things) to restrict, or limit, the modification.



Aviation Partners must have made a deal with Boeing, or Boeing is so flush with work right now that they are not on the attack. Boeing does not usually tolerate competition when it comes to modifying their own product.

Boeing must be Okay with them seeing as how they're the ones installing them on factory new aircraft...
 
So this plan is going to be better than Song?


What the fuc$ plan better than song are you babling about? Are you jealous of the fact that our airline is doing better and better? Anyway, I think posting this same question sixteen times is quite enough! I'll go ahead and answer it! Yes it is going to be better than Song!
 
just remember sportsfans that this is a CYCLICAL business...those that are the flavor of the month (or year) may not be that way later in the cycle.

what I've seen:
late 90's--United and American...
post 911---JetBlue
post post 911--Southwest
three years ago--CAL
today--DAL...
tomorrow...??????

I'm very happy where I'm at, but also realistic enough not to flaunt current success in the face of others because I know that our day could come at anytime....

I'm glad that I havn't seen every article from yahoo about our company. I could post the article about us putting winglets on our 900's, or about our fleet modernization...or about whether or not the CEO had a good bowell movement...but the fact is....NO ONE ********************ING CARES ABOUT IT!!!

Mookie
 

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