Delta unlimited JS? Progress?

[mnboyev]

Delta guys have been cordial and helpful when Ive jumped home to MSP ... sometimes saving 3-4 hours. I always try to take my own birds home but Delta has been great when I finish early.. I did notice an increase in the service level over at the Big D General ? Games on I guess ?? Good Job !'

Some of our stews should take lessons.....

 

[Falcon Jet 1]

Rumor has it that SWA beginning in April will have unlimited js with delta. Our CASS will be up by april as well.

 

[rtmcfi]

I just thought I should stick up for NWA. I have had good luck with them from IAD-MSP-BIL. This is usually a DC-9, and the pilots have always been great. The gate agents in IAD are always helpfull. In MSP, not as much.....

 

[BigEasy]

My jumpseat with Delta has been relatively good. I have had on more than one occasion a jumpseat rider not take a seat in the back, even when he knew I was there. But that is life and I don't hold it against an entire flight group.


The gate agents I must say have bent over backwards at times to get me on, even if they were busy. I thank them for that.

How is the jumpseat arrangement with Airtran?

 

[General Lee]

Big Easy,


Sorry about that and I am sure that is NOT a common experience, although I am hearing it more and more on this board. If you ever see that again, feel free to go over and tell him/her what you really think of them. There really is NO excuse for that, and it sounds like they have a personal grudge or something.


SWA/FO,

No, if a guy has the jumpseat scheduled, he is allowed to change it at the last minute, as long as the gate agent has time. That is the key. With our new "operation clockwork" deal, the gate agents will be under tremendous pressure to get the flight out usually 5 minutes early to ensure an ontime departure. So, if you walk up to the gate late, you may not get it because that agent is busy doing whatever else he/she is doing. If someone else has the jumpseat, talk to him/her as early as possible to see if he/she can trade the jump in for a seat in the back using a pass. The agent has to switch it in the computer.


Falconjet1,

I also remember them saying a deal with SWA and AA for unlimited jumpseats FIRST, and then others will follow. I guess it takes them awhile to all get together on the golf course and talk this over.....



MNBOYEV,

Maybe that was because they knew it was coming to an end, or the seniro people had already transfered out, leaving fresh new people doing it. As long as the jumpseater has a good attitude and doesn't really "bother" the gate agent, then the result should be a good one for everyone. A good attitude is KEY.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[DL_Infidel]

I apologize to those who had a bad experience on DL...like other carriers we have our share of "tools" as well. Personally, when I'm advised that an OAL J/S'r wants the J/S, I seek out that individual and tell them the J/S seat is theirs. I always advise the gate agent that if an OAL J/S'r shows up and there's room I'll take a seat in the back.

As a commuter I know how difficult life can be. It's nice when another carriers employees treat you as one of their own and take care of you. In particular I'd like to thank America West and SWA. You guys are a class act. During my short flight (PHX-LAS) on SWA yesterday, I was pondering the stark differences between our 2 carriers and came to the conclusion that DL is doomed (maybe that's a little extreme). After dealing with the ice storms in ATL and watching how we treated the pax...very dissapointing to say the least.

Anyway, I look forward to when we can accomodate more J/S'rs. Sorry it's not sooner. Welcome aboard.

 

[General Lee]

I am sure the SW passengers would have been treated the same way if PHX had a huge ice storm that cancelled 800 flights in one day. (Maybe not that many in PHX for SW) Our gate agents were probably over stressed, since other gate agents couldn't get to the airport with the ice on the roads. People can't always react well when they are stressed and over tired. Delta tried to re-route as many people as possible thru CVG instead, but some people were stuck. I bet our people did the best they could under the tough circumstances, and I do agree--that SW people are usually very nice. But, under bad circumstances, even they may turn mean in an ice storm with angry passengers.


I was in FLL, so the ice I had to deal with was in my glass, on the beach.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Floatplane]

Race Pilot

Imitation is most sincere form of flattery.

Cheers!

 

[Delville]

Can somebody please tell me if I correctly understand Delta's JS policy?

The way I understand it, the total number of seats authorized to be released to offline jumpseaters equals the number of jumpseats available in the cockpit. Therefore, if the jet has 1 jumpseat or 2 on the flight deck, then that flight will only be authorized to take, respectively, 1 or 2 offline jumpseaters. So, even if there are 100 open seats in the cabin, Delta will still take only as many offline jumpseaters as there are jumpseats available in the front.

Is this correct? If this is correct, then what is the rationale and the logic behind it. It certainly does not seem to make any sense.

 

[generaltso]

While on the topic of jumpseats:

Is AirTran still charging for any JS'ers over 1?

SWA is only unlimited for certain airlines I guess? My airlines takes unlimited, but Southwest will only take a max of two of our guys on any flight (even with open seats). I guess this is something that the resepctive jumpseat coordinators have to work out? Or is this a gate agent thing?

USAir still unlimited?

 

[General Lee]

Delville,


That is correct. Why? I don't know. But, we just agreed to have unlimited jumpseats, but at a time of Delta's choosing. (I know, that sounds dumb) I believe Delta will work out agreements with different airlines one by one---and AA and SW are first. Also, we will have CASS working in August, according to the last agreement.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Dizel8]

"But, we just agreed to have unlimited jumpseats, but at a time of Delta's choosing."

Does that mean, that you get to take the paycut at a time of your choosing?

Sorry, had to razz you a bit, but it would seem, that now Mother Delta has what it wants, the unlimited gets put on the back burner. I do not use DAL, but I understand the crews are great.

 

[General Lee]

I probably stated that wrong. Delta will have to eventually allow that, but I don't know the exact date. It was agreed upon, and AA and SW are the first airlines we will negotiate with to get unlimted jumps, I believe. But, the CASS deal should go through by Aug.



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[JohnQ]

Can somebody please tell me if I correctly understand Delta's JS policy?

The way I understand it, the total number of seats authorized to be released to offline jumpseaters equals the number of jumpseats available in the cockpit. Therefore, if the jet has 1 jumpseat or 2 on the flight deck, then that flight will only be authorized to take, respectively, 1 or 2 offline jumpseaters. So, even if there are 100 open seats in the cabin, Delta will still take only as many offline jumpseaters as there are jumpseats available in the front.

Is this correct? .

That is absolutely correct.

[/QUOTE]If this is correct, then what is the rationale and the logic behind it. It certainly does not seem to make any sense.[/QUOTE]

I agree. Our mgmt has always tried to figure out ways to make the pilots angry--even when it makes no sense whatsoever. Don't forget: until 1996, we didn't even have the jumpseat for OURSELVES, much less any other pilot group. Any improvement to the JS comes despite the most annoying foot-dragging on the part of mgmt. That said, we are always happy to accomodate offline JSers. I hope any Delta JS experience you have is a great one!

 

[172driver]

1. Why would any DL pilot list for the JS instead of using their pass privileges? Is it just to ensure a cockpit seat if the cabin fills up? I have always just non-revved and only asked for the JS if I knew there might not be a seat in the back for me. DL assigns the cockpit JS by seniority anyway, so there is no issue with who shows up first.

2. Why would unlimited JS need to be negotiated with your company? Is it somehow costing them money to allow someone to ride in an empty seat? Do they think pilots are going to plunk down a last minute fare? One would think that all companies could save money by allowing unlimited JS, allowing us all to get to work.

3. We routinely haul 2 or 3 OAL JS riders from airlines who do not reciprocate. Maybe if we cut that off, other pilot groups would push a little harder to return the favor. Seems like unlimited JS should go both ways.