Delta to hire in 07

[EMBpilot]

I heard a rumor from one of the DAL crews on a hotel van that Delta is putting together the recruiting team and is planning to start hiring off the street in early 07.
Thanks to the agreement and expansion.

Any truth to that? How much are they recalling?

Thanks

 

[Huck]

Plato says I can't ever come back.Something about scoring excess personality....

 

[spanky2]

Were these van riders Delta mainline pilots spreading these rumors or DCI pilots ?

Hiring in 2007 with almost 500 on furlough and another 100+ on PLOA or MLOA ... ???

Could be wishful thinking about more expansion for DCI to fly all of the new e-jets courtesy of LOA #51.

 

[tbkane]

Seeing as there are 474 more pilots to be recalled before they get to me (I am the last guy on the list) I would HIGHLY doubt that they will be hiring in 2007. There is no recall announced and they just put into the new TA verbage to get rid of my mandatory recall date of August of 2008. So you must have been listing to an ASA or Comair crew as they will hav ethe need to hire.

TK+0

 

[EMBpilot]

Plato says I can't ever come back.Something about scoring excess personality....

He is great, but I guess now even mortal pilots could hope to get in! Kidding.

 

[General Lee]

There could be some truth to this rumor. When I talked to the ATL Dalpa rep he said they thought 1 in 4 of the current furloughed pilots would accpet a recall. He surmised that most of them would stay at Southwest, CAL, or Netjets. We SUPPOSEDLY need 40 more MD80 type aircraft for next year's schedule alone. 40 MORE. Where would we get those? The ALPA guys telling this story in the ATL lounge and the new Captain's Incommand forums said possibly from Alaska's old MD80s (with Jack screw problems) and some from Iberia, who is trading in their MD88s for new Airbus aircraft. Is that a done deal? No. Why would we get old planes? We can't get new ones, the order list is too long---for atleast a few years. When I asked about how we could afford getting those 40 planes, he said the lease rates would be half the rate of a new 70 seater.

So, could there be merrit to this rumor? Yeah, maybe. They would have to ask everyone back, including TBKANE, and then go from there. You never know.....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[GogglesPisano]

Let's hope.

 

[General Lee]

Were these van riders Delta mainline pilots spreading these rumors or DCI pilots ?

Hiring in 2007 with almost 500 on furlough and another 100+ on PLOA or MLOA ... ???

Could be wishful thinking about more expansion for DCI to fly all of the new e-jets courtesy of LOA #51.

New EMB jets? You mean the E190? No way. There will be more mainline E190s flying around out there and there really is no way Dalpa or our pilot group would allow that. Any arbitrator would see that (status quo---all of the mainlines are flying them, not their regionals), and by the time we negotiate for the next contract, if we don't have them by then everyone else will. USAir will be flying 50 of them (look at the thread asking USAir furloughed pilots if they would like to possibly put a bid in now for the E190), Jetblue might have 75 of them, and even Air Canada (mainline, not JAZZ) will be flying them all over the States to Canada. Air Canada mainline flies one now from Phoenix to Toronto nonstop. (Mainline)

The 76 seaters that will go to DCI will not be a cure all to our woes. They will provide a little extra revenue with their first class seats to make sure they make that section profitable. Our Medallion passengers really do need the first class option on those planes.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[EMBpilot]

Were these van riders Delta mainline pilots spreading these rumors or DCI pilots ?

Yeah, they were from DAL mainline. The Captain (MD-80) said that he flies a lot with the junior, recently recalled, guys and they say the talk in class was that the company has to call 20 people to get 2-3 and all of them were making more than they are being back at DAL. I guess now it'll be even less.

Anyway, good luck to all.

 

[jehtplane]

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The 76 seaters that will go to DCI will not be a cure all to our woes. They will provide a little extra revenue with their first class seats to make sure they make that section profitable. Our Medallion passengers really do need the first class option on those planes.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Didn't you say there was no way any Delta pilot would ever allow anything above 70 seats at DCI and there was no way a TA would pass that allowed that.

 

[General Lee]

Didn't you say there was no way any Delta pilot would ever allow anything above 70 seats at DCI and there was no way a TA would pass that allowed that.

Thanks for being a smarta#$. (I actually said I thought 51% would vote it down, not 100%---and that was before I read the TA) After reading the TA, I decided it was best for us and I voted accordingly, and noticed there would be restrictions to scope still. Market forces are changing, and most of the 50 seaters will be replaced by 70s anyway. The newer RJs will be parked at gates due to their length, and that will restrict the amount of revenue they can pump into ATL, rather than using a larger plane with more seats for that same gate. I see them doing new route finding trips from JFK to the Carribbean or maybe larger cities in the Midwest from JFK that can't support an MD88.

We shall see...


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Pogue Mahone]

There could be some truth to this rumor. When I talked to the ATL Dalpa rep he said they thought 1 in 4 of the current furloughed pilots would accpet a recall. He surmised that most of them would stay at Southwest, CAL, or Netjets. We SUPPOSEDLY need 40 more MD80 type aircraft for next year's schedule alone. 40 MORE. Where would we get those? The ALPA guys telling this story in the ATL lounge and the new Captain's Incommand forums said possibly from Alaska's old MD80s (with Jack screw problems) and some from Iberia, who is trading in their MD88s for new Airbus aircraft. Is that a done deal? No. Why would we get old planes? We can't get new ones, the order list is too long---for atleast a few years. When I asked about how we could afford getting those 40 planes, he said the lease rates would be half the rate of a new 70 seater.

So, could there be merrit to this rumor? Yeah, maybe. They would have to ask everyone back, including TBKANE, and then go from there. You never know.....


Bye Bye--General Lee

Leave it to Grinstein and his band of merry jerk offs to come up with a plan like that. Buy everyones old gas guzzlers that are being dropped for more efficient aircraft.

More mad dogs. Give me a friggin break.

No wonder deltas in the sh1tter.

 

[DaveGriffin]

There could be some truth to this rumor. When I talked to the ATL Dalpa rep he said they thought 1 in 4 of the current furloughed pilots would accpet a recall. He surmised that most of them would stay at Southwest, CAL, or Netjets. We SUPPOSEDLY need 40 more MD80 type aircraft for next year's schedule alone. 40 MORE. Where would we get those? The ALPA guys telling this story in the ATL lounge and the new Captain's Incommand forums said possibly from Alaska's old MD80s (with Jack screw problems) and some from Iberia, who is trading in their MD88s for new Airbus aircraft. Is that a done deal? No. Why would we get old planes? We can't get new ones, the order list is too long---for atleast a few years. When I asked about how we could afford getting those 40 planes, he said the lease rates would be half the rate of a new 70 seater.

So, could there be merrit to this rumor? Yeah, maybe. They would have to ask everyone back, including TBKANE, and then go from there. You never know.....


Bye Bye--General Lee

Stand down everyone. It's just GL trying to rationalize his changed opinion and traditional scr*ing of the junior saps by the seniors.

 

[socony_air]

Hey TBKane - you went off and got famous.
We flew together on the Brasilia in Dallas. You were a stand up guy & a good CA. I was happy for you when you left for Delta & just thought you should know that some of the old ASA guys you might not even remember have been rooting for you from this side of the fence since you left. I've heard the furlough was tough for you. I hope you make it back asap, if you're still interested. Hope to see you around - sooner rather than later.

 

[jehtplane]

Hey TBKane - you went off and got famous.
We flew together on the Brasilia in Dallas. You were a stand up guy & a good CA. I was happy for you when you left for Delta & just thought you should know that some of the old ASA guys you might not even remember have been rooting for you from this side of the fence since you left. I've heard the furlough was tough for you. I hope you make it back asap, if you're still interested. Hope to see you around - sooner rather than later.

That is what happened to all of the ASA guys that left for Delta, good for them but they sure forgot where they came from fast.

 

[General Lee]

Leave it to Grinstein and his band of merry jerk offs to come up with a plan like that. Buy everyones old gas guzzlers that are being dropped for more efficient aircraft.

More mad dogs. Give me a friggin break.

No wonder deltas in the sh1tter.

I guess you didn't know that revenue went up 14% in April alone. Buying more RJs will not bring in enough revenue per plane. Our domestic 767s are going to the INTL side, and the result is a vaccuum that needs to be filled.

And, there aren't any new airplanes to be had for the next few years. So genius, what would you do if you needed to backfill the 767 slots with mainline equipment? You don't know what you are talking about.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Stand down everyone. It's just GL trying to rationalize his changed opinion and traditional scr*ing of the junior saps by the seniors.

Sounds like everyone who wants to come back will probably have a chance. How is that scr%$ing the junior saps? Good try.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[jehtplane]

Sounds like everyone who wants to come back will probably have a chance. How is that scr%$ing the junior saps? Good try.


Bye Bye--General Lee

How about those 76 seat RJ's that you said would never be allowed to be flown by a DCI carrier, open mouth insert foot

 

[General Lee]

How about those 76 seat RJ's that you said would never be allowed to be flown by a DCI carrier, open mouth insert foot

Even better try. I stated that before I even got to read the TA, and then I did and thought it made sense for the situation we are in. And, I actually admitted on this forum that I voted yes, which I didn't have to do at all.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[dtfl]

How about those 76 seat RJ's that you said would never be allowed to be flown by a DCI carrier, open mouth insert foot

Let me guess - you fly RJs don't you? They rule. They will save the world. RJs will stop terrorism and will bring peace to the earth right?

 

[fareview]

Even better try. I stated that before I even got to read the TA, and then I did and thought it made sense for the situation we are in. And, I actually admitted on this forum that I voted yes, which I didn't have to do at all.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Why would you make such a strong argument on any issue without having the information in front of you?

Its like reviewing the movie before you've seen it.

Just not that smart - but kudos for the honesty in revealing your vote.

fv

 

[On Your Six]

The TA could have been a lot worse.... Glad to hear DAL might hire again after any willing furloughees return.

 

[General Lee]

Why would you make such a strong argument on any issue without having the information in front of you?

Its like reviewing the movie before you've seen it.

Just not that smart - but kudos for the honesty in revealing your vote.

fv

Everyone has an opinion, and I express it often. I thought originally that there was no way we would allow RJs over 70 seats, but looking at the full TA and seeing there were some protections on numbers and a chance for our furloughed pilots to come back with some growth, I thought it was good for our situation. And, I bet the movie Miami Vice with Jamie Fox and Colin Ferrell will be the best movie since Lord of the Rings...... Do you trust me or take me litterally always?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Let me guess - you fly RJs don't you? They rule. They will save the world. RJs will stop terrorism and will bring peace to the earth right?

I don't think Jim Whitehurst believes that at all. We need to pay for our debt ($700 million a year) and somehow make a profit. Will an extra 6 seats on an RJ that will take up a gate do that for us? I doubt it. It will help to the tune of about an extra $90 million a year. Not bad, but that won't pay the majority of the bills.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[jehtplane]

Let me guess - you fly RJs don't you? They rule. They will save the world. RJs will stop terrorism and will bring peace to the earth right?

Actually no, but guess who gets asshole of the year award for 6700 plus useless posts, it's GL

 

[General Lee]

Actually no, but guess who gets asshole of the year award for 6700 plus useless posts, it's GL

It is tough on you that you can't debate the facts with me. That's ok, most people can't.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[The_Russian]

When can I fly with the General? I want some kitty cat FA action!

 

[jehtplane]

It is tough on you that you can't debate the facts with me. That's ok, most people can't.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Name a fact. Such as Delta guys took it in the ass, again. Believe me I am not happy about it.

 

[PCL_128]

Honestly, does anyone really care when Delta will hire again? After the General and 61% of his closest buddies voted in favor of that POS TA you'll make more money and have better QOL at Airtran.

 

[General Lee]

Name a fact. Such as Delta guys took it in the ass, again. Believe me I am not happy about it.

FACT: our TA was a lot better than NW's, UAL's, and USAir's two TAs.

We didn't lose any work rules, we will get pay raises, we get something in exchange for our pension that wasn't funded anymore, and scope was limited to 76 seats (when they wanted 79) and only at a specific number. The furloughed pilots that want to come back probably will, especially since we are short right now.

I really don't think (along with the majority) that this was a bad TA at all. Could we have gotten better? I don't think so, maybe some slight cosmetic changes, but not worth the extra heartburn. And, the weight limit on the RJs (86,000 lbs) was still upheld. That weight agreement was established on a previous LOA.

Bye Bye--General Lee