Delta to Cancel Empty ASA Flights

[Stifler's Mom]

This is the most troublesome news I have heard around here in years.........no more Mr. Moo Moo?

 

[rightseatjocky]

I had Moo Moo Mr Cow yesterday.
WELCOME TOOOO MOESSSSSSSSSSSSS

 

[centralpilot]

Add me to the Moo Moo list, two days ago.

Medeco

If they say something then I'm buying it for my child that is riding the flight with me and my wife.

I've never heard them say a word about it. I doubt they care.

 

[ASAFOE120]

A couple of weeks ago my fo and i had a 2 hr sit in ATL. My fo went for the moo moo. On our next leg to BHM, he left it in the bowl and was hurtin!!

Im skippin the moo moo for a while.

 

[SPDBRD747400]

This is where I read it:
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=111264

Moe's in C in ATL is getting rid of all kids meals (including the moo moo mister cow)!!! NOT an April fool's joke... was talking to the manager the other day.

Apparently ATL airport is demanding more money from Moe's and they aren't making enough of a profit from the Kids meals (ATL get's 10% of all sales)

Told the manager it's the best deal in the airport, how could he do it!? He said it's just business...


another dark day in ATL :bawling:

 

[centralpilot]

And if someone posts it on flightinfo, it must be true

 

[Brasilia Pup]

ok, call me "Skip" or La Broke or even just plain ignoramous, but what the h*ll is a moo moo?

 

[atlcrjdriver]

According to and Atlanta Gate Agent, Delta, starting in June, will start canceling ASA flights that have light loads when a mainline flight traveling to the same city would have enough seats to accommodate the passengers on the cancelled flight. The agent said she was going through training for the new procedure.

A gate agent isn't the best source of intel on topics like this. If you want to know when the widget on the wall will be changed yes, ops facts no. This will be a ops/PR nightmare for any carrier to simply cancel a R/T ONLY because the load is light. If you have a mechanical and need another a/c to cover it then yes, the sector managers know which flts make operational sense to cxl. Just to say "15 or less make em wait" will not work. What do you tell the pax "you pulled the short straw tonight" see ya in about 3 hours.

 

[Speedtape]

What IS........a light load?

Who has had a .......light load lately?
Light loads...... do not usually happen in Summer?
If there is such a thing as a ......light load, how many does ASA really have? miniscule numbers, if any!

What does a .......light load, mean to you? Ask Monica!

 

[FORESTGUMP]

ok, call me "Skip" or La Broke or even just plain ignoramous, but what the h*ll is a moo moo?

I think its one of those one piece jumpsuit things that fat chicks wear....right?

or was it a dress for fat chicks???

I can't quite remember.

 

[j41driver]

Good thing we have free wifi...

Is it free anywhere besides the E food court?

 

[j41driver]

Yes, but they DON'T pay for the fuel then...the largest single cost per flight now.

If the flight is cancelled the fuel cost should be pretty low.

 

[WalterSobchak]

Problem is, if any 121 carrier cancels too many flights the FAA looks into it, and I don't think that a flight can be canceled due to load, at least in the FAAs eyes. That's what I was told by a fed on the jumpseat once.

I'm not sure about whether or not cancellation due to light load is kosher...but the cancellation of "too many" flights isn't really the issue. It is when you cancel/delay the same flight over and over that the particular flight winds up on the DOT Sh*t List.

Completion factor is looked at by the DOT but, if this is really the plan, I don't see how a few flights here and there will bring CF to such a level that it would require scrutiny.

I'm wondering if this is more along the lines of scratching a flight on legs that appear to have a low LF well in advance...perhaps a week or so...and not at the last minute. That way, the pax is notified and reaccomodated prior to the start of their trip.

 

[XPOO]

ASA's Performance Rewards are calculated off completion factor though, and I have to wonder if ASA would be "forgiven" on these instinces.

 

[buscap]

Issn't Skywest in court with Delta over about 50 million, about this very thing?

 

[WalterSobchak]

Issn't Skywest in court with Delta over about 50 million, about this very thing?

$25mil over the failure to pay for Delta-intiated cancels...so, essentially, yes.

 

[wms]

A gate agent isn't the best source of intel on topics like this. If you want to know when the widget on the wall will be changed yes, ops facts no. This will be a ops/PR nightmare for any carrier to simply cancel a R/T ONLY because the load is light. If you have a mechanical and need another a/c to cover it then yes, the sector managers know which flts make operational sense to cxl. Just to say "15 or less make em wait" will not work. What do you tell the pax "you pulled the short straw tonight" see ya in about 3 hours.

DAL does this all the time with their own airplanes. I see it often on my commute. It's not a big deal. It only makes sense that they would do it at the regionals to save fuel. So I wouldn't be surprised if they're going to do this.

But I think in the case of this agent she was taking advantage of an opportunity to take a jab. Why would she have to be trained on a procedure to rebook pax on a canceled flight. It happens all the time for other reasons.