Delta to announce new INTL routes tomorrow

[satpak77]

You need to work on your analysis, no doubt. Airtran may set some low fares from ATL, but they do not dominate anything. They are not the largest airline at any large airport they serve. Sure, they do a good job at being a thorn in our a$$, but they aren't that big at all. Try to think next time before writing this krap. Go to sleep. Bye Bye--General Lee

the only analysis needing work is what is done at Delta, not me. As far as Airtran "may set" "some low fares" but they do not "dominate anything" maybe your MBA was issued by the same place DAL's management was. Airtran should not (sorry, flash back a few years ago, should not HAVE BEEN) be underestimated and as your said (your words), they do set low fares from ATL. So that means DAL must keep pace.

(Your words) They do a good job of being a thorn, "but they aint that big"

Must I remind you that LUV started with 3 airplanes, and is now the most profitable carrier that exists.

go back to drinking the DAL cool-aid, while you are at it, why don't you go on strike for a pay raise

 

[General Lee]

the only analysis needing work is what is done at Delta, not me. As far as Airtran "may set" "some low fares" but they do not "dominate anything" maybe your MBA was issued by the same place DAL's management was. Airtran should not (sorry, flash back a few years ago, should not HAVE BEEN) be underestimated and as your said (your words), they do set low fares from ATL. So that means DAL must keep pace.

(Your words) They do a good job of being a thorn, "but they aint that big"

Must I remind you that LUV started with 3 airplanes, and is now the most profitable carrier that exists.

go back to drinking the DAL cool-aid, while you are at it, why don't you go on strike for a pay raise

Thanks for using (my words) so well. I know they set the fares, and we are changing our planes around accordingly to give us higher yeilds on connecting flights. We have plenty more connecting passengers in ATL than Airtran does, so, if we downscale some of our widebody flights to MCO or FLL to narrowbody planes (MD88s and 738s), and that can affect the fares from other places, especially European connections.

And, I know Airtran will get more airplanes. The current question is where they will put them? They seem to have run out of room so far at ATL, and now they are trying to cherry pick routs at other airports, without making a new "hub." I guess MDW is sort of their new "hub", but they are running right into Southwest and their territory, and SW will probably retaliate.

And, the Delta Kool-aid tastes great. Look at the change we have made so far to our INTL, and the domestic side. Big necessary changes.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[BR549]

Hey GL, why don't you guys switch places with Skywest? That way YOU could use Skywest subsidised fuel and finally work for profitable airline. Besides, you won't have a pension at either airline. But pensions aren't importanty anymore are they? You could be Delta, the Skywest connection!

 

[General Lee]

Hey GL, why don't you guys switch places with Skywest? That way YOU could use Skywest subsidised fuel and finally work for profitable airline. Besides, you won't have a pension at either airline. But pensions aren't importanty anymore are they? You could be Delta, the Skywest connection!

Good one! Yeah, we should do that............Take away the fuel insulation from DL and UA at SkyWest and you would be left with Metros again, flying only to Idaho. Atleast you guys are sharing in the profits over there, right? Right? Maybe SkyWest should be the next "Indy Air" and compete with Southwest on the West Coast with RJs.... Sounds like a winner.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[SSDD]

Good one! Yeah, we should do that............Take away the fuel insulation from DL and UA at SkyWest and you would be left with Metros again, flying only to Idaho. Atleast you guys are sharing in the profits over there, right? Right? Maybe SkyWest should be the next "Indy Air" and compete with Southwest on the West Coast with RJs.... Sounds like a winner.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Nah, Skywest has a management group who actually know what the hell they're doing. Like getting other companies to sell them fuel for below cost, and signing long term contracts that are the first thing that gets reaffirmed after both UA and DL filed for bankruptcy.

But hey, you're so bitter that you don't recognize reality or humor. Let's see, how many different fights have you picked on this board? Airtran, Jetblue, Comair, and now Skywest.

Somebody has to be responsible for DL's problems, right?

 

[General Lee]

Nah, Skywest has a management group who actually know what the hell they're doing. Like getting other companies to sell them fuel for below cost, and signing long term contracts that are the first thing that gets reaffirmed after both UA and DL filed for bankruptcy.

But hey, you're so bitter that you don't recognize reality or humor. Let's see, how many different fights have you picked on this board? Airtran, Jetblue, Comair, and now Skywest.

Somebody has to be responsible for DL's problems, right?

No, I agree with you on some of those facts. We have had bad management over the past few years, leading to $10 BILLION in losses. I didn't think anyone could lose that much money. Crazy. But, you need to acknowledge that without the crafty dealings with the fuel insulation, which is good business on your part, your company wouldn't be half as profitable. A lot of your guys love to tout how well your company does, and that is partly because we at the bankrupt carriers are carrying your a$$. Too bad that won't be changed in court. Everyone should have to pay for the extra fuel costs. It inflates your real worth as a company.

And, I don't really "pick fights", rather I debate the truth with people that don't want to hear it. I know we at Delta have a lot of problems too, and I acknowledge that. I think there are a few airlines out there that have good management, and are doing the right things. Do you see me debating the Southwest guys often? Nope. But, if I see something that I think is bogus or needs debating, I will bring it up, with any airline or pilot group. SkyWest has plenty of issues, starting with the 50 seat pay for up to 99 seats. That really started bading things rolling in the regional level. We are going thru paycuts also, but not by choice. It is different with a judge or a threat of "chap 11 tomorrow.." type scenario. If you want to debate me on any Delta issue or Dalpa issue, go right ahead.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Pilotbob3]

Am I there wonderboy? Have you ever had a $10.6 BILLION debt(just pension debt) hanging over you and your company? That is the way it goes. How about I promise you that someday I will buy you the Golden Gate Bridge? Will you believe me too? I bet you would. If our company cannot afford to pay that huge obligation, then they will be DROPPED. Sorry. Idiotic statement, or THE DAM TRUTH? Wake up! Leo Mullin also loses his pension. Everyone does. That is what happens when you cannot afford it anymore. Same will happen at NW, GM, FORD, etc. Empty promises.


Bye Bye--General Lee

yes GL, you are F**king crazy for saying you "dont care" about your pension and "Wouldn't mind" if it went away. keep your idiotic statements to yourself if you don't like me pointing them out. DL will do what it wants to survive and then some...but you not caring or minding if your benifits dissapear is ridiclulous. by you namecalling you seem to be someone who doesn't like it when others dissagree with you.

BYE BYE! LOL

 

[jester757]

All DL is doing is throwing routes out there and praying that something sticks. Many of these routes have little demand, but DL is desperate so they'll try anything.

And believe it or not General, there are a few airports where Airtran is the largest carriers. They are smaller airports (like CAK/PHF), but Airtran is the largest. And with the way DL is shrinking and Airtran is growing, it won't be long before Airtran becomes the largest carrier in more cities.

Not unless their (AT's) pilots start working for a lot less. Wait and see...

 

[General Lee]

yes GL, you are F**king crazy for saying you "dont care" about your pension and "Wouldn't mind" if it went away. keep your idiotic statements to yourself if you don't like me pointing them out. DL will do what it wants to survive and then some...but you not caring or minding if your benifits dissapear is ridiclulous. by you namecalling you seem to be someone who doesn't like it when others dissagree with you.

BYE BYE! LOL

What are you smoking? I like this statement of yours: "keep your idiotic statements to yourself if you don't like me pointing them out." What the heck does that mean? Say again?

As far as my benefits, I think everyone now would be FOOLISH to think there will be a pension waiting for them. You included. That is an empty promise. I think it is important for all of us to invest ourselves to prepare for retirement. I have a Roth IRA, my 401K, and some other deals on the side. I also married rich.

And, I don't mind debating anyone on anything. If you don't like my answers, then don't debate me. We all are allowed to have opinions. You have heard mine. Stay off the Chronic.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Originally Posted by MedFlyer
All DL is doing is throwing routes out there and praying that something sticks. Many of these routes have little demand, but DL is desperate so they'll try anything.

And believe it or not General, there are a few airports where Airtran is the largest carriers. They are smaller airports (like CAK/PHF), but Airtran is the largest. And with the way DL is shrinking and Airtran is growing, it won't be long before Airtran becomes the largest carrier in more cities


I am so glad you erased your post before I could answer it. If you read my original post again, I said Airtran wasn't the largest airline in any LARGE airports. Read it again. Sure, they are huge in Bloomington and Newport News. Good. But, as you can see, Airtran and Delta have had some problems with loads as of late, even Airtran is leaving the DFW-LAX market. It is important to find profitable routes, and both Delta and Airtran are looking for those.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[satpak77]

uh?

And, I don't mind debating anyone on anything. If you don't like my answers, then don't debate me. We all are allowed to have opinions. You have heard mine. Stay off the Chronic.

Bye Bye---General Lee

You don't mind debating, AND we are all allowed to have our opinions, but if we don't like your opinions, DONT debate you?

dude, WTF over

quick linkee for the General

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=debate

 

[Halo_RJdriver]

Value wagon

Air Trailer Tran (VALUE JET) will never take over Hotlanta.

DL has taken a lot on the chin but will make a solid comeback. The DL people (labor groups) are much higher acheivers than UAL, NW, CAL and AA. Granted they all have pros and cons, although DL's major obstacle is to rid itself of notorius bad managment since RON ALLEn. GG may be the turnKey for a long-term future.

 

[Rogue5]

http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=2777

Taking a page from its past, Delta embarks on new international expansion

Wednesday October 19, 2005

Fourteen years ago, Delta Air Lines made a bad bet on international expansion during a period of heavy losses.Yesterday it raised the ante. In what it described as "the largest international expansion in its history," the bankrupt carrier said it will launch nonstop widebody service from its hub at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport and base at New York JFK to 11 cities in Europe and the Middle East.

The new wave of flights will begin March 27 between Atlanta and Tel Aviv and continue through June 6 when the carrier launches service to Venice. In between, service will be inaugurated between ATL and Dusseldorf, Copenhagen, Edinburgh, Nice and Athens and between JFK and Budapest, Dublin/Shannon, Manchester and Kiev. The JFK-Kiev service is subject to government approval and the launch date will be announced.

"Next summer's increase in international flying is an integral part of our customer-focused transformation plan," CEO Gerald Grinstein said. "Since January, we have announced our intentions to serve more than 50 new international markets, making Delta the fastest-growing US carrier to Europe, the Middle East, the Caribbean and Latin America." By next summer it will serve 66 international markets in 40 countries, making Hartsfield-Jackson the third-largest international hub in North America.

This is not the first time Delta has sought to ease its pain at home with an international fling. In November 1991, fresh off a company record (at the time) loss of $343 million, it acquired substantially all of Pan American World Airways' transatlantic route authorities, with the exception of its London Heathrow services that had been sold to United Airlines, as well as Pan Am's Frankfurt hub and beyond rights to nine cities for $416 million. Overnight it became--as it claims it again is becoming--"the largest transatlantic airline," inaugurating service to 24 cities in 19 countries, the majority of them formerly served by Pan Am.

Unfortunately, things did not work out as planned. Delta lost more than $1.5 billion over the next three years, much of it on its newly acquired services. The Frankfurt base was closed, cities were dropped and by the end of the decade the carrier no longer laid claim to the title of world's largest transatlantic airline.

On Tuesday, Delta said it also plans to update the interiors of its entire international fleet, enhancing its BusinessElite product and introducing an improved domestic coach cabin. To support the new expansion, it may ask its pilots union to permit it to bring back some retired pilots to address staffing shortages, the Associated Press reported.

by Brian Straus and Perry Flint

 

[doh]

What are you smoking? I like this statement of yours: "keep your idiotic statements to yourself if you don't like me pointing them out." What the heck does that mean? Say again?

As far as my benefits, I think everyone now would be FOOLISH to think there will be a pension waiting for them. You included. That is an empty promise. I think it is important for all of us to invest ourselves to prepare for retirement. I have a Roth IRA, my 401K, and some other deals on the side. I also married rich.

And, I don't mind debating anyone on anything. If you don't like my answers, then don't debate me. We all are allowed to have opinions. You have heard mine. Stay off the Chronic.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Marrying rich was the smartest thing He ever did. (Looking down inside shorts) You done good!