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Delta's ambitions soar again

Just out of Chapter 11, the carrier is spiffing up and expanding flights.
By Peter Pae, Times Staff Writer
May 7, 2007


When Delta Air Lines Inc. went into a financial tailspin a few years ago, its longtime slogan "We love to fly, and it shows" became the butt of jokes as passengers encountered grungy cabins, gaping flight delays and grumpy attendants.

Rather than loving to fly, "the employees seemed stressed and frustrated," said David Urode, a Delta frequent flier. "I was constantly asking … if there was another airline I could fly."

Not anymore.

Emerging from 19 months of bankruptcy protection, Delta is inching back up, leaner and more focused, with airplanes that have been scrubbed clean and a re-energized workforce that is roping back customers like Urode.

Emboldened with a restructured balance sheet and a new look, Delta is about to expand again and has set its sights mainly on Los Angeles International Airport, where it once was the largest carrier but had slipped to fourth in recent years.

This week Delta is expected to announce that it will increase the number of flights out of LAX by 50% from 62 departures a day to 99, making the airport one of the busiest for the Atlanta-based carrier.

That's good news for travelers in Southern California because the move would intensify competition at LAX and could keep the lid on airfares, analysts say. UAL Corp.'s United Air Lines, AMR Corp.'s American Airlines and Southwest Airlines Co. are now the largest carriers at LAX.

"There's no doubt Delta is going to affect fares there," said Ray Neidl, airline analyst at New York-based Calyon Securities Inc.

United Airlines, the largest carrier at LAX, acknowledged last month that fares were likely to be held down in California because of the competition.

While Delta heats up the competition for domestic passengers, its expansion plans could have the biggest effect on international travel.

At LAX, 90% of the international flights are operated by foreign carriers that have been raising fares as demand has surged.

Delta is planning a significant increase at LAX, particularly to destinations in Latin America and Asia. In all, Delta sees international flights accounting for 40% of its flights, up from 30% today and 20% two years ago.

"We've decided to make L.A. our second Latin America gateway," said James Whitehurst, Delta's chief operating officer and one of the top internal candidates for the airline's chief executive post.

Delta is also eyeing the Asia market, Whitehurst said, adding that the carrier has "almost nothing in the Pacific."

"That's a major hole in our network, so we see a lot of opportunities there," he said.

Passengers will notice the difference inside the planes as well, said Joanne Smith, Delta senior vice president for in-flight services. "We are to create a better on-board experience," she said. The airline will equip all long-haul planes with in-seat TVs, bring back meal service and install lie-flat seats in first class.

The heady talk is in sharp contrast to just two years ago, when grim-faced executives announced that Delta could no longer pay back its loans and declared bankruptcy, joining the likes of United and Northwest in seeking protection from creditors in court.

The Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks had grounded air travel and pushed the so-called legacy airlines, already ailing from overcapacity and increased competition from new low-cost carriers, over the financial precipice.

Delta slashed 6,000 jobs and cut billions of dollars in wages and benefits. At the same time, it eliminated unprofitable routes and reshuffled its fleet, flying larger wide-body planes on longer international routes and smaller, single-aisle aircraft on shorter domestic flights.

Though cuts caused an angry backlash from rank and file at other airlines, Delta has weathered the restructuring unfettered by labor strife. Tensions are escalating at American, for instance, but Delta's relations with employees are fairly smooth.

Last week, at the airline's LAX terminal, hundreds of Delta flight attendants, ground-crew members and ticketing agents cheered and threw confetti as Delta executives got off an airplane that had been dedicated to the airline's retiring chairman, Gerald Grinstein.

LAX was the last stop in a "barnstorming" trip by Delta executives to celebrate the airline's coming out of Chapter 11. Brian Cohen, a Delta frequent flier and moderator of an Internet chat room dedicated to complaints about the airline, said that for the Delta employees the painful pay cuts were somewhat mitigated by executives' also taking a huge hit.

For instance, Grinstein cut his salary in half during the carrier's bankruptcy proceedings, to $338,000 a year, making it among the lowest for any major U.S. corporation.

Moreover, the employees became "galvanized" by the unsuccessful hostile takeover bid by US Airways Group Inc. last fall. "They fell in line when they realized that things could be worse if US Air took over," Cohen said.

Thomas Campion, a customer service agent for Delta at LAX, said he lost about $40,000 in wages and benefits because of the bankruptcy. But still he said employee morale was high.

Company executives "shared the pain, and that helps," he said.

Neidl put it another way: "You're just glad to have a job after going through the ringer of bankruptcy."

Paid sick leave is down 11% and the airline's on-time arrival and departure record has jumped from being the worst among the top 10 U.S. airlines in 2004 to third in 2006. In February, Delta posted the best on-time performance.

Urode, a marketing manager for an energy drink maker who commutes from his home in Atlanta to work in Santa Monica, said "more of the flights are on time and cabins seem more full."

Moreover, he said, the flight attendants "seem more pleasant and friendly, and I think that does make a difference."

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Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Though cuts caused an angry backlash from rank and file at other airlines, Delta has weathered the restructuring unfettered by labor strife.

Interesting quote there. Hope you guys get back some of what you lost. Best of luck!
 
I wouldn't get too excited about this. I'm pretty sure this is just more rj expansion!
Great......AA and UA both have mainline jet service while we add more rj service!
<sigh>

737
 
I wouldn't get too excited about this. I'm pretty sure this is just more rj expansion!
Great......AA and UA both have mainline jet service while we add more rj service!
<sigh>

737

RJs to Asia and Latin America? Wow. You are right, we are adding more RJ flights, primarily on Expressjet. I think I read we are adding a couple flights to Tijuana in fact. But, overall, we will be growing LA with new widebody INTL flights eventually. This article primarily talks about long distance flying from LA. Expect a 777 base in LA in the next 2-3 years, and more 767 flying deep into South America.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Is it possible newhires could find themselves flying international out of LAX in a year? Pretty good lifestyle for a single guy... Living on the beach in Santa Monica, flying to exotic places and scoring with the ladies on your 18 days off a month. Sign this brother up!!!
 
RJs to Asia and Latin America? Wow. You are right, we are adding more RJ flights, primarily on Expressjet. I think I read we are adding a couple flights to Tijuana in fact. But, overall, we will be growing LA with new widebody INTL flights eventually. This article primarily talks about long distance flying from LA. Expect a 777 base in LA in the next 2-3 years, and more 767 flying deep into South America.

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We at XJT are going to be doing Tijuana as well as another dozen or so Mexico destinations. We will be doing a number of Domestic routes as well out of LAX and SLC. Hopefully we can come in and really show DAL how good of a job we can do. I for one am really excited to see DAL coming out of this and the potential it has now in the future.
 
The only market where I see any new American carrier may do well without a fierce competition from other carriers is LAX-Mainland China (PVG/PEK/CAN) where the authority has to be negotiated with the government. If any China authoriy is to be granted to Delta, it needs to tap ATL first not LAX. Or it may be looking at LAX-India or LAX-TLV which may also have potential. Any other Asian/Australia routes from LAX are saturated with many many reputable carriers with superior products/service. They will bring it on Delta. Take a look at NRT, seved by 7 carriers, not to mention NRT still currently has slot issues. Delta used to fly NRT-LAX pre 9/11 for several years and they could not fill up the Business Elite cabin. Very risky adventure.
 
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You're right 737! Delta should take those 767/777's and use them to serve Tijuana instead of HKG! Good call...stupid rj's.
 
The only market where I see any new American carrier may do well without a fierce competition from other carriers is LAX-Mainland China (PVG/PEK/CAN) where the authority has to be negotiated with the government. If any China authoriy is to be granted to Delta, it needs to tap ATL first not LAX. Or it may be looking at LAX-India or LAX-TLV which may also have potential. Any other Asian/Australia routes from LAX are saturated with many many reputable carriers with superior products/service. They will bring it on Delta. Take a look at NRT, seved by 7 carriers, not to mention NRT still currently has slot issues. Delta used to fly NRT-LAX pre 9/11 for several years and they could not fill up the Business Elite cabin. Very risky adventure.

Grinstein mentioned that he wanted authority to Shanghai, Hong Kong, Singapore, another one in Japan, and Sydney. LA has 13 million people, and Delta does have a lot of connect feed at night into LAX (ATL, JFK, BOS, RDU, CHM, MSY, TPA, MCO, FLL, CUN, SLC, and others from RJs). Not too tough to see 4-5 777s doing something Westbound. Many of the other INTL carriers do not carry as many Americans, rather their own nationality of passengers too. I see some wide open gaps to South America also, and DL will probably take advantage of that. And don't forget the cargo options too, these will be 777LRs, which can carry pax and cargo.


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Grinstein mentioned that he wanted authority to Shanghai, Hong Kong, Singapore, another one in Japan, and Sydney. LA has 13 million people, and Delta does have a lot of connect feed at night into LAX (ATL, JFK, BOS, RDU, CHM, MSY, TPA, MCO, FLL, CUN, SLC, and others from RJs). Not too tough to see 4-5 777s doing something Westbound. Many of the other INTL carriers do not carry as many Americans, rather their own nationality of passengers too. I see some wide open gaps to South America also, and DL will probably take advantage of that. And don't forget the cargo options too, these will be 777LRs, which can carry pax and cargo.


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It's quite simple. Regardless of nationality, ask any seasoned high yielding F/C class business travellers these questions. Would they rather fly on SQ or Delta to Singapore, would they rather fly CX or Delta to HKG, or would they rather fly ANA/JAL/SQ or Delta to NRT. Maybe you haven't seen the level of 3-class service these established Asian carriers provide. UA also has tons loyal customers in both sides of the pond with abundance of connecting opportunity. The coach section may be filled with family visits, students and tourists who wants to see LAS, Hollywood and Disneyland. It really doesn't matter how many people live in Los Angeles area, or how many connections Delta can provide. High dollars goes to the Asian carriers, and they also take cargo too. When we talk about high yielding revenue out of LAX, Delta is put at a disadvantage. That's why it's risky. And they want throw a new airplane into the market?? I'd go somewhere where competition is not so high like LAX-India or TLV. Where would they go in Japan? Delta will get hosed in LAX-NRT and even JAL can't even make those second tier Japanese cities like KIX and NGO to LAX work, tried and failed.
 
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Not sure if the LR will get you to India from LAX. Above comments correct about the Asian product - better.

I don't think PAL have any comp on their direct LAX-MNL and its their best money maker.

Delta have good feed - the mainland is the golden goose.

Nice to see them rebounding.

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It's quite simple. Regardless of nationality, ask any seasoned high yielding F/C class business travellers these questions. Would they rather fly on SQ or Delta to Singapore, would they rather fly CX or Delta to HKG, or would they rather fly ANA/JAL/SQ or Delta to NRT. Maybe you haven't seen the level of 3-class service these established Asian carriers provide. UA also has tons loyal customers in both sides of the pond with abundance of connecting opportunity. The coach section may be filled with family visits, students and tourists who wants to see LAS, Hollywood and Disneyland. It really doesn't matter how many people live in Los Angeles area, or how many connections Delta can provide. High dollars goes to the Asian carriers, and they also take cargo too. When we talk about high yielding revenue out of LAX, Delta is put at a disadvantage. That's why it's risky. And they want throw a new airplane into the market?? I'd go somewhere where competition is not so high like LAX-India or TLV. Where would they go in Japan? Delta will get hosed in LAX-NRT and even JAL can't even make those second tier Japanese cities like KIX and NGO to LAX work, tried and failed.

Are the Singapore girls cuter than any DL stew? Sure. There is no doubt that most seasoned business travellers would rather fly Singapore Air when the business is paying for it. But, sometimes the business has a corporate account with slightly discounted travel with a legacy, and that would necessitate a booking on DL. Our first class (or business Elite) product is not bad at all, and a lot of our flights may be code shared with other Skyteam airlines. We are starting 5 weekly flights on the 777 from ATL to ICN, along side a daily KE 744. Why would we do that? There are that many pax, and the connections over in ICN are great on KE. Would they like us to fly a couple nonstops from the West Coast to take up some of the slack? I bet they would. KE flies nonstop to NRT from LAX currently, and I bet we could fill in and they could use that KE 773 somewhere else and make more money. (although KE has their own cargo unit flying 74Fs and MD11s, and maybe they make money with that pax 777 from LAX to NRT just with the belly cargo)

You say that we should go nonstop from LAX to India or TLV. Thank gawd you do not work for our marketing department. El Al flies a 3 weekly nonstop from LAX to TLV, which probably is good enough, although we have a thru flight on a DL 777 thru ATL onward to TLV. We probably couldn't fill a daily nonstop if El Al couldn't. And India nonstop from LA? I don't think that market has matured yet, even though Air India flies a one stop 747 thru FRA from LA---they may get more economy pax just flying to FRA though). Jet Airways of India is planning an eventual nonstop 777 from SFO to India, but that is in the planning stages right now.

So, in the end, most Americans would probably choose an American airline to fly to Asia if the price was right and the service was good, and we aim to have both. If they want to fly Singapore airlines for the cute stews, then they should. But if they have to connect from anywhere other than the nonstops from LAX, SFO, JFK, or one stops from EWR, then they will probably have to go on an American airline, or stop in an Asian hub (like NRT via NWA or UAL). We will offer them another alternative. Can't wait.


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Delta would kick PAL's butt ten out of ten times in direct competition. Delta's service is so much better, and somehow, folks in the Philippines know the Delta brand.

Delta has some good opportunities out of LA. Smart move.
 
Looks good, for an RJ....


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Wow!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I wonder what the 50 seat pay rate is????
 

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