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Reported elsewhere by Av8n, but worth reposting since it effects regional airline pilots wages and working conditions. This should work for the mainline guys and get more feed into their airplanes while allowing Delta to make some money to shore up the balance sheet.

C.

Section 1

SCOPE​

Amend​
Section 1 B. 17. c. to read: :

c. one of up to 200 jet aircraft configured with 51-70 passenger seats and certificated in the United States with a maximum gross takeoff weight of 86,000 pounds or less (“70-seat jets”).​

Add a new

Section 1 B. 17. d. and e. to read:

d. beginning January 1, 2007 one of up to the number specified in the chart below jet aircraft configured with 71-76 passenger seats and certificated in the United States with a maximum gross takeoff weight of 86,000 pounds or less (“76-seat jets”). The number of 76-seat jets may be increased above the number specified in the chart below by three 76-seat jets for each aircraft above the number of aircraft in the fleet operated by the Company (in service, undergoing maintenance and operational spares) as of January 1, 2007. The number and type of aircraft in the fleet on January 1, 2007
will be provided to the Association in writing no later than January 15, 2007. Such a report will also be provided to the Association at the scheduled quarterly financial update. The number of 70-seat jets plus 76-seat jets permitted by​
Section 1 B. 17. may not exceed 200. Once the number of permitted 76-seat jets is established, it will not be reduced except as provided in the Note below.

Letter #51 Bankruptcy Restructuring Agreement T/A

3​

Year Permitted 76-seat Jets

2007 15​

2008 and beyond 30
Note: If a pilot on the seniority list as of June 1, 2006 (​
i.e., Troy Kane and above) isplaced on furlough after April 13, 2006, the Company will convert all 76-seat jets for operation as 70 seat jets.

e. A carrier that operates any of the 70- or 76-seat jets not being operated as of November 1, 2004, may do so only if that carrier and the Company have agreed to terms for a preferential hiring process for pilots furloughed by the Company (i.e., a pilot furloughed by the Company will be given preferential hiring at a Delta Connection Carrier if he completes all new hire paper work, meets all new hire airman and medical qualifications, satisfies background checks and successfully completes an interview). The Company will offer preferential interviews for employment to airmen employed by a Delta Connection Carrier that offers preferential hiring to furloughed pilots in accordance with this paragraph, subject to the Company’s objectives for diversity and experience among newly hired pilots. A pilot hired by a Delta Connection Carrier operating any of the 70 or 76-seat jets not being operated as of November 1, 2004 will not be required to resign his Delta seniority number in order to be hired by such carrier.​
 
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Reported elsewhere by Av8n, but worth reposting since it effects regional airline pilots wages and working conditions. This should work for the mainline guys and get more feed into their airplanes while allowing Delta to make some money to shore up the balance sheet.

C.

Section 1


SCOPE​


Amend​

Section 1 B. 17. c. to read: :


c. one of up to 200 jet aircraft configured with 51-70 passenger seats and certificated in the United States with a maximum gross takeoff weight of 86,000 pounds or less (“70-seat jets”).​

Add a new

Section 1 B. 17. d. and e. to read:

d. beginning January 1, 2007 one of up to the number specified in the chart below jet aircraft configured with 71-76 passenger seats and certificated in the United States with a maximum gross takeoff weight of 86,000 pounds or less (“76-seat jets”). The number of 76-seat jets may be increased above the number specified in the chart below by three 76-seat jets for each aircraft above the number of aircraft in the fleet operated by the Company (in service, undergoing maintenance and operational spares) as of January 1, 2007. The number and type of aircraft in the fleet on January 1, 2007

will be provided to the Association in writing no later than January 15, 2007. Such a report will also be provided to the Association at the scheduled quarterly financial update. The number of 70-seat jets plus 76-seat jets permitted by



Section 1 B. 17. may not exceed 200. Once the number of permitted 76-seat jets is established, it will not be reduced except as provided in the Note below.



Letter #51 Bankruptcy Restructuring Agreement T/A

3​



Year Permitted 76-seat Jets


2007 15​


2008 and beyond 30


Note: If a pilot on the seniority list as of June 1, 2006 (​
i.e., Troy Kane and above) isplaced on furlough after April 13, 2006, the Company will convert all 76-seat jets for operation as 70 seat jets.


e. A carrier that operates any of the 70- or 76-seat jets not being operated as of November 1, 2004, may do so only if that carrier and the Company have agreed to terms for a preferential hiring process for pilots furloughed by the Company (i.e., a pilot furloughed by the Company will be given preferential hiring at a Delta Connection Carrier if he completes all new hire paper work, meets all new hire airman and medical qualifications, satisfies background checks and successfully completes an interview). The Company will offer preferential interviews for employment to airmen employed by a Delta Connection Carrier that offers preferential hiring to furloughed pilots in accordance with this paragraph, subject to the Company’s objectives for diversity and experience among newly hired pilots. A pilot hired by a Delta Connection Carrier operating any of the 70 or 76-seat jets not being operated as of November 1, 2004 will not be required to resign his Delta seniority number in order to be hired by such carrier.​



Definite no vote here.
 
• Pay cut of 14% from LOA #46 followed by annual pay raises starting January 1,
2007. Additional pay increases tied to Company financial performance
(protection against the Contract ’96 debacle).
• Limited authority to operate 71-76 seat DCI jets, provided that no pilot on the
current seniority list (Troy Kane and above) is placed on furlough. This
protection is not subject to a force majeure clause.
• There are no changes to any of our duty rigs or scheduling (except for Hawaii
reporting); our quality of life items.
• The MPPP will be terminated and the money will be placed in your account that
you control.
• Notes and Equity to return a substantial part of our concessions.
• Duration of 3.5 years (12/31/2009, same as LOA #46).
• The effective date of the agreement will be June 1, 2006 if the T/A is ratified and
is approved by the Bankruptcy Court.
The following is a summary of the T/A:


Scope:

• 76-seaters will be allowed at DCI, with strict limitations on numbers, and with
incentives for mainline growth.
• If the Company furloughs a pilot on the current seniority list (Troy Kane and
above), DCI cannot fly any of the 71-76 seat jets with more than 70 seats. In fact,
they must then physically remove the excess seats from ALL such aircraft for the
balance of this contract.
o Beginning January 1, 2007, DCI is allowed to operate fifteen jets
configured with 71-76 seats. They may operate these aircraft prior to this
date, but with a maximum of 70 seats.
o On January 1, 2008, DCI is allowed to operate an additional fifteen 71-76
seat jets.
o Additional 71-76 seaters can be added, but only on the basis of mainline
aircraft growth (three 71-76 seaters for one growth mainline aircraft).
• Delete minimum block hours and planned percentages.
• Delete designated flying block hours.
• Change in control provisions allow flexibility in Chapter 11, but preserve
essential protections in an airline-to-airline transaction during Chapter 11.
• Delete the required recall of all furloughed pilots by August 1, 2008.
• Delete the requirement to be at a 75 hour ALV in certain categories for 3 months
prior to furloughing. Maintain the three month furlough notice requirement.
Compensation:

• Composite hourly pay rates will remain at 14% below the LOA 46 rates for the
balance of 2006.
• On January 1, 2007, rates will be increased 1.5%.
• On January 1, 2008, rates will increase by at least 1.5%, and may increase up to
6% based on corporate financial performance.
• On January 1, 2009, rates will increase by at least 1.5% above the minimum 2008
rates, and may increase up to 6% above the actual 2008 rates, based on corporate
financial performance.
• On December 31, 2009 rates will increase another 1%.
• See attached minimum and maximum pay rate tables.
• The 12 year captain rate for the EMB-190/CRJ-900 will be $95.70 on June 1,
2006 and subject to the above adjustments.
• The 12 year captain rate for the EMB-195 will be $112.50 on June 1, 2006 and
subject to the above adjustments.
• Delete night pay.
• International pay is $5.00/hr for captains and $3.00/hr for F/Os.
• Increase profit sharing pool divided among all employees from LOA #46 to a
15% payout at first dollar of pre-tax income; 20% payout on pre-tax income over
$1.5B divided proportional to W-2 income.
• Domestic per diem is $1.85/hr.
• International per diem is $2.40/hr.

Hotels

• Expanded hotel reviews and a stated preference for nationally branded hotels.
Relocation

• To be eligible for relocation at company expense, a pilot must move within 125
miles of his new base. Pilots who currently have a moving entitlement retain their
eligibility.
• Increase lump sum to cover miscellaneous moving expenses to $2000.
Vacations:

• Effective April 1, 2007, reduce the value of a vacation day to 3 hours.
• Effective April 1, 2007, delete the 6th week of vacation and reduce the vacation
accrual rate.
Administrative Flying

• Administrative pilots may fly a rotation from open time without a line pilot being
paid for the rotation. The rotation may only be removed within 96 hours of report
and, in most instances, it must have gone through at least one PCS run prior to
removal by the administrative pilot.
Training

• Improve MEC oversight of CQ material preparation.
• Clarification of pay time for distributed training that is not on a CD, but could be
in another form of media, such as a workbook.
Hours of Service

• Sixty minute report for flight segments to/from Hawaii.
• Increase DBMS displays for flight hour and PWA limitations.
Sick Leave

• The new sick leave year will be from June 1 – May 31 for all pilots.
• Pilots in their 9th year and above will have 240 sick leave hours each year.
• On a rolling 3 year basis, a pilot will have 240 hours at full pay and the rest at
75% pay.
• Pilots returning from disability will have their full pay sick leave credit hours
recharged (once in a career).
Scheduling

• The company must comply with the TLV limits commencing April 1, 2007.
• A Delta jumpseat reservation will now satisfy the commuting policy.
General

• Flow back jumpseat to be negotiated with Alaska, Northwest and Continental
immediately and with US Airways and United beginning January 1, 2007.

• A flight attendant jumpseat may be occupied by a pilot, but only if it is the only
seat available on the aircraft and no flight attendant (working or not) has
requested the jumpseat.
• Yearly non-rev pass fee of 50 dollars maximum, and no more than other
employees.
• Pilots on the FOQA monitoring team will be covered under Section 24 J. 2. and
not subject to GS charges to ALPA.
• LOA #52 establishes the Civil Reserve Air Fleet procedures.
• Financial advisory fees and major ALPA costs paid by Company.
Medical and Dental Benefits

• Increase premiums for future retired pilots and survivors prior to Medicare
eligibility.
• Provide “access only” medical coverage post-Medicare eligibility.
• Provide for modifications to medical insurance to capture savings from the Health
Coverage Tax Credit.
Retirement, Insurance, and Disability and Survivor Benefits

• Money Purchase Pension Plan accounts will be distributed to individual pilots for
self-directed investment.
• Defined Contribution (DC) Plan contribution of a flat 9% to all pilots after Pilot
Defined Benefit (DB) Plan termination.
• Maintain company 2% 401(k) cash contribution.
• ALPA will not oppose DB Plan termination.
• Implement Roth 401(k) accounts and permit contributions up to the IRS limits for
all plans.
• Disabled pilots receive disability income until mandatory FAA retirement age.
• Disabled pilots will continue to receive DC Plan and 401(k) contributions at two
times their disability benefit. This provides a retirement benefit for a disabled
pilot for the years of service while disabled.
• Income offset once a pilot on long-term disability (LTD) achieves outside income
that equals LTD income.
• Limited neutral medical examiner process for continued LTD eligibility.
• $500,000 life insurance (with guaranteed insurability) replaces current survivor
annuity beginning 1/1/08.
• Life insurance decreases to $250,000 on retirement, and then steps down in
$50,000 segments during first five years of retirement, ending with the current
$10,000 benefit.
• Company authorized to expend up to $60 million per year from the D&S Trust to
pay legally permissible pilot expenses. Establish D&S Trust re-funding
mechanism.
• Amend D&S Plan to assure that only persons who are or have been on the
seniority list (and their survivors and beneficiaries) are eligible to be beneficiaries
of the D&S Trust.
• Amend D&S Plan to clarify that in the event of DB Plan termination, disability
benefits are offset by calculated (not actual) retirement benefits.

• Clarify MPPP offset in the event of DB Plan termination.
Bankruptcy Protection Covenant, ALPA Claim, and Notes



• Process established to repair and improve employee-management relations.
Delta’s Section 1113 (c) demands that were not achieved

• 19.5% pay cut with no pay raises
• Delete 401 (k) company contribution
• Five year duration
• Delete all furlough protections
• No financial returns
• $325 million concessions per year and no recognition of DB Plan termination
• 79-seat jet DCI aircraft
• Delete the change of control provisions
• Establish a sick leave reliability program and impose draconian sick leave terms
• Minutes under offset by minutes over
• 15 minute release per duty period
• No captain on relief crew for flights over 12 hours
• Change max scheduled duty time

• Change duty period minimum
• Delete duty period average
• Delete duty period credit (1 for 2)
• Reduce rotation credit (1 for 3.5)
• Delete OJI
• Increase category freeze
• 100 seater upgrade restrictions
• Change trip assignment ladder
• Reserves assignment up to ALV+15
• Delete pay back X-days for reserve
• Reduce inverse assignment pay
• Establish flight attendant satellite base parking without benefit to pilots
 
Hey General,

Are you and 50.1% of your buddies gonna fall on your swords now or what?
 
Since delta regionals have to give PREFERENTIAL hiring to furloughed D pilots, Where is the outcry from the regionals saying WE want PREFERENTIAL hiring when Delta starts hiring again.

Flame away, but why should you guys be up there on the high wire and have that safty net when no one else gets one. Just a little give and take.
 
blzr said:
Since delta regionals have to give PREFERENTIAL hiring to furloughed D pilots, Where is the outcry from the regionals saying WE want PREFERENTIAL hiring when Delta starts hiring again.

Flame away, but why should you guys be up there on the high wire and have that safty net when no one else gets one. Just a little give and take.

Try opening your eyes and reading next time:

The Company will offer preferential interviews for employment to airmen employed by a Delta Connection Carrier that offers preferential hiring to furloughed pilots in accordance with this paragraph, subject to the Company’s objectives for diversity and experience among newly hired pilots
 
Rogue5 said:
Hey General,

Are you and 50.1% of your buddies gonna fall on your swords now or what?

I can't speak for GL, but I would definitely vote NO on this TA. It is a complete joke. What happened to the SCOPE issue and actually listening to the DALPA members who voted overwhelmingly to authorize a strike? Seriously, this is terrible and the spin to be provided will be entertaining.

Absolutely vote NO! No No No No No No No No No No No No - is that clear?
 
• If the Company furloughs a pilot on the current seniority list (Troy Kane and
above), DCI cannot fly any of the 71-76 seat jets with more than 70 seats. In fact,


Who is Troy Kane? Is he on the bottom of the list? Active or furloughed? So this means they can't furlough any more pilots, or do they have to call back everyone in order to let DCI opperate the 76 seaters?
 
generaltso said:
Try opening your eyes and reading next time:

The Company will offer preferential interviews for employment to airmen employed by a Delta Connection Carrier that offers preferential hiring to furloughed pilots in accordance with this paragraph, subject to the Company’s objectives for diversity and experience among newly hired pilots

Now that's a joke and unfair considering the precedents set by other furloughing majors in the past. Go back to the FO seat on a CRJ or ERJ at $19/hr? What happened to the Continental pilots who were displaced to Coex? I understand that there was an existing flow-back agreement that does not exist with the DAL regionals now. I understand the difference.

How about you put any displaced mainline pilots in the left seat of any INCREMENTAL aircraft added? That would make much more sense - you are not taking away existing seats from any regional pilots and you are following the precedent already provided to Continental and USAirways pilots who were displaced to the left seat. Again, we are talking about left seats for any NEW aircraft - not existing aircraft.

Regardless, DAL pilots should fly all E170/E190 aircraft just like the Air Canada mainline pilots do. If needed, get the aircraft on the property and offer competitive operating wages and then renegotiate those wages in the future. Scope is the big issue left (wages/benefits and pensions will be slashed completely) and it should be protected until the end.

I would vote NO on this TA.
 
Coming Down the Ladder

After the pilots vote this through, management will come back in 6 months and not only wipe out pay raises for the pilots but will call for more pay cuts. Why anyone would take management at their word is beyond comprehension.
 
Heavy Set said:
Now that's a joke and unfair considering the precedents set by other furloughing majors in the past. Go back to the FO seat on a CRJ or ERJ at $19/hr? What happened to the Continental pilots who were displaced to Coex? I understand that there was an existing flow-back agreement that does not exist with the DAL regionals now. I understand the difference.

How about you put any displaced mainline pilots in the left seat of any INCREMENTAL aircraft added? That would make much more sense - you are not taking away existing seats from any regional pilots and you are following the precedent already provided to Continental and USAirways pilots who were displaced to the left seat. Again, we are talking about left seats for any NEW aircraft - not existing aircraft.

Regardless, DAL pilots should fly all E170/E190 aircraft just like the Air Canada mainline pilots do. If needed, get the aircraft on the property and offer competitive operating wages and then renegotiate those wages in the future. Scope is the big issue left (wages/benefits and pensions will be slashed completely) and it should be protected until the end.

I would vote NO on this TA.

Unfair? Heavyset, Life is unfair. If you had a flow through agreement to begin with, you could have what CAL had. You're luck to get picked up by a Regional if you get furloughed w/o a flow agreement. Comair did not hire DAL guys, but ASA did. According to ALPA bylaws, you must resign your seniority number if you get hired by another carrier. ASA agreed to waive that issue for furloughees. As far as RJ's, you take the RJ pay along with them. Good luck.
 
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Heavy Set said:
Now that's a joke and unfair considering the precedents set by other furloughing majors in the past. Go back to the FO seat on a CRJ or ERJ at $19/hr? What happened to the Continental pilots who were displaced to Coex? I understand that there was an existing flow-back agreement that does not exist with the DAL regionals now. I understand the difference.

How about you put any displaced mainline pilots in the left seat of any INCREMENTAL aircraft added? That would make much more sense - you are not taking away existing seats from any regional pilots and you are following the precedent already provided to Continental and USAirways pilots who were displaced to the left seat. Again, we are talking about left seats for any NEW aircraft - not existing aircraft.
Fortunately we hired our own attorneys (RJDC) to stop other airline pilots from using the union to unfairly negotiate seniority on the top of our seniority lists.

We asked the Delta pilots and ALPA for one list (a mechanism by which they would have just the rights you describe). The Delta pilots would have had all the flying, all the votes, all the control and the ASA / Comair guys would have went to the bottom of the zipped up list. The Delta MEC said no and ALPA changed the rules (the Constution and Bylaws) to keep it from happening. The logic was the Delta MEC said their loyalty was to their ex-sqadron mates who they would not want to have to fly an RJ at Delta Connection. The job was beneath them and there were too many undesireables at ASA and Comair to allow one list with these loosers.

So we were told our seniority list was separate and would remain so. By the rules ALPA made, it is entirely unfair for other pilots to use the union to negotiate positions on the top of our list. However, if they want to come in like anyone else comes in our our list they have my enthusiastic support. I've got several hundred hours flying with former Delta guys and to a man they have been terrific pilots.
 
Do your research...

atlcrashpad said:
Unfair? Comair did not hire DAL guys, but ASA did.

That is an incorrect statement. You need to do a little better research before you make claims like that; it takes away a lot of your credibility.
 
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Heavy Set said:
Now that's a joke and unfair considering the precedents set by other furloughing majors in the past. Go back to the FO seat on a CRJ or ERJ at $19/hr? What happened to the Continental pilots who were displaced to Coex? I understand that there was an existing flow-back agreement that does not exist with the DAL regionals now. I understand the difference.

You say you understand the difference. If in fact you do, why do you think it is unfair? Those who do not want to do it are not forced to do it. CAL and the COEX people had an agreement that they both made BEFORE the fact. It was consensual.

How about you put any displaced mainline pilots in the left seat of any INCREMENTAL aircraft added? That would make much more sense - you are not taking away existing seats from any regional pilots and you are following the precedent already provided to Continental and USAirways pilots who were displaced to the left seat. Again, we are talking about left seats for any NEW aircraft - not existing aircraft.

First -- except for a company like Skywest (non-union), there are CBA's in place at all regionals that protect the seniority rights of the pilots employed at those airlines. I imagine that you have similar protections in your contract, wherever you work (unless you are non-union). Those contracts prevent such activity.

If I were dispaced from my airline would you allow me to come to your airline in the left seat of your "new" equipment? If not, why not?

Second - Any pilot group (regional or mainline) that would give up their seniority and allow it to be "stolen" in that way, is a collection of fools! Yes, I know that some groups have "agreed" to do that (having been coerced by their own union). I'll say it again; they are fools.

Maybe I'm wrong but I do not think there is any pilot at my airline that would ever agree to such a concept. Mutual preferential hiring is not a problem for the simple reason that who is hired by the airline is a management right. Abrogation of seniority is NOT a management right.

Anyone that would permit his seniority to be abrogated in favor of a foreign pilot group is stupid in the extreme. Any pilot group that seeks to abrogate the seniority of another pilot group is a thief, plain and simple and morally decadent on top of it.

Whether or not this TA is good for Delta pilots or not is a separate issue for them to decide however they please and that doesn't bother me any.

However, the idea that some of you people have that you can just walk in and roll over somebody's seniority because YOU think it's in YOUR best interest sucks. When your labor union is willing to push for that, it sucks, and it is also engaged in illegal behavior.

You people are just incredible.
 
JI Gone OH said:
That is an incorrect statement. You need to do a little better research before you make claims like that; it takes away a lot of your credibility.

Really? How many DAL pilots are on Comair's seniority list? ASA has a handful. Credibility? Who has that on the internet?
 
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surplus1 said:
You say you understand the difference. If in fact you do, why do you think it is unfair? Those who do not want to do it are not forced to do it. CAL and the COEX people had an agreement that they both made BEFORE the fact. It was consensual.



First -- except for a company like Skywest (non-union), there are CBA's in place at all regionals that protect the seniority rights of the pilots employed at those airlines. I imagine that you have similar protections in your contract, wherever you work (unless you are non-union). Those contracts prevent such activity.

If I were dispaced from my airline would you allow me to come to your airline in the left seat of your "new" equipment? If not, why not?

Second - Any pilot group (regional or mainline) that would give up their seniority and allow it to be "stolen" in that way, is a collection of fools! Yes, I know that some groups have "agreed" to do that (having been coerced by their own union). I'll say it again; they are fools.

Maybe I'm wrong but I do not think there is any pilot at my airline that would ever agree to such a concept. Mutual preferential hiring is not a problem for the simple reason that who is hired by the airline is a management right. Abrogation of seniority is NOT a management right.

Anyone that would permit his seniority to be abrogated in favor of a foreign pilot group is stupid in the extreme. Any pilot group that seeks to abrogate the seniority of another pilot group is a thief, plain and simple and morally decadent on top of it.

Whether or not this TA is good for Delta pilots or not is a separate issue for them to decide however they please and that doesn't bother me any.

However, the idea that some of you people have that you can just walk in and roll over somebody's seniority because YOU think it's in YOUR best interest sucks. When your labor union is willing to push for that, it sucks, and it is also engaged in illegal behavior.

You people are just incredible.

Surplus1,

Well said.
 
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Fortunately we hired our own attorneys (RJDC) to stop other airline pilots from using the union to unfairly negotiate seniority on the top of our seniority lists.

We asked the Delta pilots and ALPA for one list (a mechanism by which they would have just the rights you describe). The Delta pilots would have had all the flying, all the votes, all the control and the ASA / Comair guys would have went to the bottom of the zipped up list. The Delta MEC said no and ALPA changed the rules (the Constution and Bylaws) to keep it from happening. The logic was the Delta MEC said their loyalty was to their ex-sqadron mates who they would not want to have to fly an RJ at Delta Connection. The job was beneath them and there were too many undesireables at ASA and Comair to allow one list with these loosers.

So we were told our seniority list was separate and would remain so. By the rules ALPA made, it is entirely unfair for other pilots to use the union to negotiate positions on the top of our list. However, if they want to come in like anyone else comes in our our list they have my enthusiastic support. I've got several hundred hours flying with former Delta guys and to a man they have been terrific pilots.

Before you and your rjdc gals start your "high fiving" and butt slaping, consider this. We don't even know it this will be approved by the membership. I for one won't be voting yes to this POS!
BTW I'm still waiting for your response about using the ALPA forum for rjdc efforts?
Secondly, we know why your lawsuit started.. The rjdc is filled with the "undesireables" of aviation. No college degree, some dui's. SO get your facts straight! Your idea of one list was "DOH" and didn't fly, so ram it!
737
 
None of this really matters until the General comes back and has his spin......
 
I have no problem with preferential hiring of furloughed DAL pilots at ASA.

The guys we've hired in the past have been great.
 
There were 2 Delta pilots in my initial hire class at CMR last year. Class of March 14th, 2005. Both were furloughs. UBA757
 
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atlcrashpad said:
Really? How many DAL pilots are on Comair's seniority list? ASA has a handful. Credibility? Who has that on the internet?

I personally have flown with one and he told me of at least one other one. Granted, that ain't many but it does prove that at least a few mainline DAL pilots got hired at Comair.
 
;)CA only hired the furloughed DAL guys when they were leaned on a bit. It took quite a while before they were on your list over there!!

Heavy...Surplus is EXACTLY RIGHT!! You guys had your chance to merge into one list, but you refused. A staple to the bottom of your list was fine with me as long as my DOH stayed with my travel benefits. So as for your idea that a mainline guy would take the left seat of any jet here....that is pure Horse Sh@t! You have got to be kidding me that you think that is right. And if you do, I won't have to ask any other questions regarding your thought process because it is WHACK!!

Talked with 4 DAL guys today and from what they said, they are most likely going to vote yes!! I hate to see that happen, it is not helping us MOVE on!
 
Regul8r said:
After the pilots vote this through, management will come back in 6 months and not only wipe out pay raises for the pilots but will call for more pay cuts. Why anyone would take management at their word is beyond comprehension.

There is a clause in the TA stating no more 1113c processes, unless DIP financing is jeopardised. The only way that would happen is if something really bad happened, and that would affect all airlines. (like another 9-11)


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
737 Pylt said:
Before you and your rjdc gals start your "high fiving" and butt slaping, consider this. We don't even know it this will be approved by the membership. I for one won't be voting yes to this POS!
BTW I'm still waiting for your response about using the ALPA forum for rjdc efforts?
Secondly, we know why your lawsuit started.. The rjdc is filled with the "undesireables" of aviation. No college degree, some dui's. SO get your facts straight! Your idea of one list was "DOH" and didn't fly, so ram it!
737

I'm one of those "undesireables" you Deltoids like to talk about. Yes I was turned down by the one and only Delta Air Lines. I was hired by another "major" carrier that has since "gone west". I have flown widebodies overseas and now I'm at ASA. I have a great schedule and make 6 figures. We didn't want "DOH" during the single list push. That is urban legend that you have bought into. Good thing we have RJDC - that is probably what is keeping furloughed Delta pilots from taking my seat and my schedule.
 
AVoiceOfReason said:
I'm one of those "undesireables" you Deltoids like to talk about. Yes I was turned down by the one and only Delta Air Lines. I was hired by another "major" carrier that has since "gone west". I have flown widebodies overseas and now I'm at ASA. I have a great schedule and make 6 figures. We didn't want "DOH" during the single list push. That is urban legend that you have bought into. Good thing we have RJDC - that is probably what is keeping furloughed Delta pilots from taking my seat and my schedule.

That is total BS. I was told by Bob Arnold himself (I met him at Malone's during one of my training events and he must have been there too for the same reason) that he WOULD be an MD11 FO and fly Europe. He is now your MEC chairman. Go ask him. I also flew on a jumpseat with one of your super senior pilots, I believe he was one of your chief pilots--real deep voice, glasses, white hair. Anyway, he told me going to DTW (to see a friend) in the jumpseat that he EXPECTED to finish his career in the left seat of the 738, flying to Central America for DL. How could I make this crap up?

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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