Delta TA Passes

[waveflyer]

I paid more for my instructor ratings I used for a couple years, than I did for the type, I'll use for the rest of my career (hopefully) -
Bottom line, the type requirement is not even close to as harmful to the profession as the outsourcing of 85,000lb brand new jets. To make that argument is to grab at any excuse to deflect, no matter how illegitimate, in order to justify the vote that just went down. DALPA is what we all knew they were. Sellouts. Gray the situation, throw in a bit of a raise, and a time tested formula for consent to outsourcing is proven again. Ie: not bankruptcy, not the "gun to your head", and most certainly not "well if we all had a time machine and knew what this would morph into...we wouldn't have"
Yes. You would. Bc you just did.

Im happy for the short term gains- but you just made it industry standard to outsource that size of a plane- this was your chance to "take it back" and you sold out for less than you'd already earned.

 

[SplitBar]

I paid more for my instructor ratings I used for a couple years, than I did for the type, I'll use for the rest of my career (hopefully) -
Bottom line, the type requirement is not even close to as harmful to the profession as the outsourcing of 85,000lb brand new jets. To make that argument is to grab at any excuse to deflect, no matter how illegitimate, in order to justify the vote that just went down. DALPA is what we all knew they were. Sellouts. Gray the situation, throw in a bit of a raise, and a time tested formula for consent to outsourcing is proven again. Ie: not bankruptcy, not the "gun to your head", and most certainly not "well if we all had a time machine and knew what this would morph into...we wouldn't have"
Yes. You would. Bc you just did.

Im happy for the short term gains- but you just made it industry standard to outsource that size of a plane- this was your chance to "take it back" and you sold out for less than you'd already earned.

Get back to us after your new contract and let us know how it went.

 

[titans10]

I paid more for my instructor ratings I used for a couple years, than I did for the type, I'll use for the rest of my career (hopefully) -
Bottom line, the type requirement is not even close to as harmful to the profession as the outsourcing of 85,000lb brand new jets. To make that argument is to grab at any excuse to deflect, no matter how illegitimate, in order to justify the vote that just went down. DALPA is what we all knew they were. Sellouts. Gray the situation, throw in a bit of a raise, and a time tested formula for consent to outsourcing is proven again. Ie: not bankruptcy, not the "gun to your head", and most certainly not "well if we all had a time machine and knew what this would morph into...we wouldn't have"
Yes. You would. Bc you just did.

Im happy for the short term gains- but you just made it industry standard to outsource that size of a plane- this was your chance to "take it back" and you sold out for less than you'd already earned.

Wave,
SWA will become just like anyother airline. Wait 10 year it cycles. Will you quit SWA if they ever outsource? Never say never in this industry. No flame just saying.

 

[waveflyer]

There's outsourcing that makes sense, and there's replacement outsourcing-
I don't ever say never- but I will be preaching the same to my group as deltas

 

[GogglesPisano]

Wave. This hard-on you have for Delta is now obsessive. Seriously, time to seek some help.

Back on the ignore list.

 

[waveflyer]

Goggles- I do not care what you think about me thinking delta and most legacies are sellouts.
Prove the track record wrong

 

[Dan Roman]

disregard

 

[wms]

I paid a lot of money for ratings to meet the qualifications to work as a pilot. I would not have a problem paying to get the required training to meet the qualifications for a job in any field if that's where I really wanted to go.

I would have a problem with paying an employer specifically to train me. My last 135 operator wanted us to start paying for our annual recurrent and then prorate it when you left. That's one reason I moved on.

You have to pay for med school to be a doc, law school to be a lawyer etc. We pay for ratings to be pilots. Some companies want more ratings than others. If you don't like it, don't work there. I'm not up to paying for a type to get a job so I won't work there. But if someone will, that's fine.

 

[five-alive]

Once upon a time, a college degree meant more, and showed a minimum level of maturity, education and commitment. Not just anybody could get one. Now? Maybe not so much. Hell, I see supposedly college-educated a$$clowns on this board saying stupid and childish things, and misspelling the simplest of words, all the friggin' time. That doesn't really say much about the strengths of a undergraduate college degree these days.

Bubba

Well, spelling is something you should have learned in grade school, not college. College teaches you career-related skills, not spelling or multiplication tables. Although bad spelling can make one look like an idiot that is not always the case.

 

[dalad]

Yeah, I believe he IS going with that. These days, a college degree isn't what it used to be (nor is a type rating, for that matter). However, it IS a requirement to even apply at Delta. I would guess at some others as well, but Delta is all I specifically looked up.

The point is not whether educating yourself is a good idea or not. The point is whether it is an important minimum qualificaiton for a pilot job. After all, it's not like you spend all the time and money getting a 'quality' degree, enriching your life, etc. (as you point out), to only then sit down to decide: shall I be an professor or an airline pilot? People who want our job work at flying for years to put themselves in our position. It's a sometimes decades-long process. Having a degree in physical fitness, economics, or even basket-weaving doesn't really play into being a good pilot. Especially with places like online degree mills where you can get one just by spending the money and putting in a minimal amount of time.

Once upon a time, a college degree meant more, and showed a minimum level of maturity, education and commitment. Not just anybody could get one. Now? Maybe not so much. Hell, I see supposedly college-educated a$$clowns on this board saying stupid and childish things, and misspelling the simplest of words, all the friggin' time. That doesn't really say much about the strengths of a undergraduate college degree these days.

Also once upon a time, a type rating meant more and showed a level of commitment to a small company that couldn't afford to continually hire and train pilots, only to lose them to higher-paying companies. Nowadays, Southwest doesn't lose pilots over pay, but it still shows that you really, really want to work here to get the rating first.

Is it really important? Probably not anymore. At least not any more than possessing a random 4-year degree does. At least a type rating is related to flying. Regardless, they're both part of the minimum requirements to apply at our respective airlines, designated long ago as 'important' to the powers that be. On the other hand, at least I paid a lot less for my entry ticket.

Bubba

Hey, you spelled friggin wrong, it's actually spelled fu.... Oh never mind. Just don't call me a looser or stoopid.