Delta TA Passes

[GogglesPisano]

Off hand I know of at least one.

Please help redflyer see the logic.

 

[LeeRoyJenkins]

Please help redflyer see the logic.

I think he already sees it.

Question for you would be what do you define as "decent"?

The airlines that don't require a 737 type are not the ones I have any desire to work for. Been there/done that and it was not fun.

If you don't want to work for SWA then don't go get the type. Simple as that. Why people like you bemoan the fact that SWA requires a 737 type is beyond me. Why does that bother you so much? No one is forcing you to work here.

 

[SWA Bubba]

You're kidding, right? You're comparing a college degree, something that enriches one's life and makes one more marketable for almost any worthwhile job, to a type-rating that only one airline in the US requires? You're really going with that?

Yeah, I believe he IS going with that. These days, a college degree isn't what it used to be (nor is a type rating, for that matter). However, it IS a requirement to even apply at Delta. I would guess at some others as well, but Delta is all I specifically looked up.

The point is not whether educating yourself is a good idea or not. The point is whether it is an important minimum qualificaiton for a pilot job. After all, it's not like you spend all the time and money getting a 'quality' degree, enriching your life, etc. (as you point out), to only then sit down to decide: shall I be an professor or an airline pilot? People who want our job work at flying for years to put themselves in our position. It's a sometimes decades-long process. Having a degree in physical fitness, economics, or even basket-weaving doesn't really play into being a good pilot. Especially with places like online degree mills where you can get one just by spending the money and putting in a minimal amount of time.

Once upon a time, a college degree meant more, and showed a minimum level of maturity, education and commitment. Not just anybody could get one. Now? Maybe not so much. Hell, I see supposedly college-educated a$$clowns on this board saying stupid and childish things, and misspelling the simplest of words, all the friggin' time. That doesn't really say much about the strengths of a undergraduate college degree these days.

Also once upon a time, a type rating meant more and showed a level of commitment to a small company that couldn't afford to continually hire and train pilots, only to lose them to higher-paying companies. Nowadays, Southwest doesn't lose pilots over pay, but it still shows that you really, really want to work here to get the rating first.

Is it really important? Probably not anymore. At least not any more than possessing a random 4-year degree does. At least a type rating is related to flying. Regardless, they're both part of the minimum requirements to apply at our respective airlines, designated long ago as 'important' to the powers that be. On the other hand, at least I paid a lot less for my entry ticket.

Bubba

 

[GogglesPisano]

I think he already sees it.

Question for you would be what do you define as "decent"?

The airlines that don't require a 737 type are not the ones I have any desire to work for. Been there/done that and it was not fun.

If you don't want to work for SWA then don't go get the type. Simple as that. Why people like you bemoan the fact that SWA requires a 737 type is beyond me. Why does that bother you so much? No one is forcing you to work here.

I'm really not bemoaning the fact that SWA requires a type. Really. Frankly, they can require whatever they want. I'm trying to point out the false equivalency in redfler's argument that, "Well, Delta requires a degree, so what?"

A degree is required for just about every worthwhile job -- including more than one airline - in the US. And it's transferrable. The fact that Delta requires it shouldn't be seen as an obstacle for most. This is because most pilots who are serious about this career, and knowing the requirements and competition, have one.

The same could not be said of a 737 type. Hence the equivalency is dead.

 

[SplitBar]

Although a college degree is not a requirement for SWA, good luck getting on without one. I know there are those who have done it but to be competitive there you need a degree or a lot of luck/connections.

 

[waveflyer]

I paid more for my instructor ratings I used for a couple years, than I did for the type, I'll use for the rest of my career (hopefully) -
Bottom line, the type requirement is not even close to as harmful to the profession as the outsourcing of 85,000lb brand new jets. To make that argument is to grab at any excuse to deflect, no matter how illegitimate, in order to justify the vote that just went down. DALPA is what we all knew they were. Sellouts. Gray the situation, throw in a bit of a raise, and a time tested formula for consent to outsourcing is proven again. Ie: not bankruptcy, not the "gun to your head", and most certainly not "well if we all had a time machine and knew what this would morph into...we wouldn't have"
Yes. You would. Bc you just did.

Im happy for the short term gains- but you just made it industry standard to outsource that size of a plane- this was your chance to "take it back" and you sold out for less than you'd already earned.

 

[SplitBar]

I paid more for my instructor ratings I used for a couple years, than I did for the type, I'll use for the rest of my career (hopefully) -
Bottom line, the type requirement is not even close to as harmful to the profession as the outsourcing of 85,000lb brand new jets. To make that argument is to grab at any excuse to deflect, no matter how illegitimate, in order to justify the vote that just went down. DALPA is what we all knew they were. Sellouts. Gray the situation, throw in a bit of a raise, and a time tested formula for consent to outsourcing is proven again. Ie: not bankruptcy, not the "gun to your head", and most certainly not "well if we all had a time machine and knew what this would morph into...we wouldn't have"
Yes. You would. Bc you just did.

Im happy for the short term gains- but you just made it industry standard to outsource that size of a plane- this was your chance to "take it back" and you sold out for less than you'd already earned.

Get back to us after your new contract and let us know how it went.

 

[titans10]

I paid more for my instructor ratings I used for a couple years, than I did for the type, I'll use for the rest of my career (hopefully) -
Bottom line, the type requirement is not even close to as harmful to the profession as the outsourcing of 85,000lb brand new jets. To make that argument is to grab at any excuse to deflect, no matter how illegitimate, in order to justify the vote that just went down. DALPA is what we all knew they were. Sellouts. Gray the situation, throw in a bit of a raise, and a time tested formula for consent to outsourcing is proven again. Ie: not bankruptcy, not the "gun to your head", and most certainly not "well if we all had a time machine and knew what this would morph into...we wouldn't have"
Yes. You would. Bc you just did.

Im happy for the short term gains- but you just made it industry standard to outsource that size of a plane- this was your chance to "take it back" and you sold out for less than you'd already earned.

Wave,
SWA will become just like anyother airline. Wait 10 year it cycles. Will you quit SWA if they ever outsource? Never say never in this industry. No flame just saying.

 

[waveflyer]

There's outsourcing that makes sense, and there's replacement outsourcing-
I don't ever say never- but I will be preaching the same to my group as deltas

 

[GogglesPisano]

Wave. This hard-on you have for Delta is now obsessive. Seriously, time to seek some help.

Back on the ignore list.

 

[waveflyer]

Goggles- I do not care what you think about me thinking delta and most legacies are sellouts.
Prove the track record wrong

 

[Dan Roman]

disregard

 

[wms]

I paid a lot of money for ratings to meet the qualifications to work as a pilot. I would not have a problem paying to get the required training to meet the qualifications for a job in any field if that's where I really wanted to go.

I would have a problem with paying an employer specifically to train me. My last 135 operator wanted us to start paying for our annual recurrent and then prorate it when you left. That's one reason I moved on.

You have to pay for med school to be a doc, law school to be a lawyer etc. We pay for ratings to be pilots. Some companies want more ratings than others. If you don't like it, don't work there. I'm not up to paying for a type to get a job so I won't work there. But if someone will, that's fine.

 

[five-alive]

Once upon a time, a college degree meant more, and showed a minimum level of maturity, education and commitment. Not just anybody could get one. Now? Maybe not so much. Hell, I see supposedly college-educated a$$clowns on this board saying stupid and childish things, and misspelling the simplest of words, all the friggin' time. That doesn't really say much about the strengths of a undergraduate college degree these days.

Bubba

Well, spelling is something you should have learned in grade school, not college. College teaches you career-related skills, not spelling or multiplication tables. Although bad spelling can make one look like an idiot that is not always the case.

 

[dalad]

Yeah, I believe he IS going with that. These days, a college degree isn't what it used to be (nor is a type rating, for that matter). However, it IS a requirement to even apply at Delta. I would guess at some others as well, but Delta is all I specifically looked up.

The point is not whether educating yourself is a good idea or not. The point is whether it is an important minimum qualificaiton for a pilot job. After all, it's not like you spend all the time and money getting a 'quality' degree, enriching your life, etc. (as you point out), to only then sit down to decide: shall I be an professor or an airline pilot? People who want our job work at flying for years to put themselves in our position. It's a sometimes decades-long process. Having a degree in physical fitness, economics, or even basket-weaving doesn't really play into being a good pilot. Especially with places like online degree mills where you can get one just by spending the money and putting in a minimal amount of time.

Once upon a time, a college degree meant more, and showed a minimum level of maturity, education and commitment. Not just anybody could get one. Now? Maybe not so much. Hell, I see supposedly college-educated a$$clowns on this board saying stupid and childish things, and misspelling the simplest of words, all the friggin' time. That doesn't really say much about the strengths of a undergraduate college degree these days.

Also once upon a time, a type rating meant more and showed a level of commitment to a small company that couldn't afford to continually hire and train pilots, only to lose them to higher-paying companies. Nowadays, Southwest doesn't lose pilots over pay, but it still shows that you really, really want to work here to get the rating first.

Is it really important? Probably not anymore. At least not any more than possessing a random 4-year degree does. At least a type rating is related to flying. Regardless, they're both part of the minimum requirements to apply at our respective airlines, designated long ago as 'important' to the powers that be. On the other hand, at least I paid a lot less for my entry ticket.

Bubba

Hey, you spelled friggin wrong, it's actually spelled fu.... Oh never mind. Just don't call me a looser or stoopid.