Delta Strike Vote Results

[WWEfan]

The results are in....

96% of the pilots participated in the vote
94% voted in favor of a strike

Just wanted to beat General Lee to the punch

 

[Mmmmmm Burritos]

You didn't... you tied him. And he typed more than you! Doh!

 

[WWEfan]

OMG....I think he beat me.

 

[General Lee]

OMG....I think he beat me.

Yes, yes I did I believe.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[wmuflyguy]

both post were posted at 16;04...I guess it is a tie.

 

[General Lee]

both post were posted at 16:04...I guess it is a tie.

Your's said 1605, and I did it on the Majors board before that.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[wmuflyguy]

well then I stand corrected

Why the hell does it do the smiley in the middle of the time.

 

[Soverytired]

This is getting a little obvious.

They'll never strike.

Even bankrupt, those guys have great jobs.

It's just posturing. Yawn.

 

[wmuflyguy]

They'll never strike.

Even bankrupt, those guys have great jobs.

It's just posturing. Yawn.

Well there is the gasoline....who brought the matches

 

[Soverytired]

Hey now.

I'm not saying I'm not pulling for them. I'll smile when I pay my monthly ALPA extra-assesment in the mail (100 bucks? 200 bucks? who knows?) to support them when/if they actually pull the trigger.

But their "tactics" are glaringly obvious. They're not fooling anyone.

 

[wmuflyguy]

I didn't say you said anything. Though the statement will surely cause controversy. afterall this is flightinfo.

 

[General Lee]

Hey now.

I'm not saying I'm not pulling for them. I'll smile when I pay my monthly ALPA extra-assesment in the mail (100 bucks? 200 bucks? who knows?) to support them when/if they actually pull the trigger.

But their "tactics" are glaringly obvious. They're not fooling anyone.

TACTICS? What do you expect us to do? We have to go through a process, and this is it. We had a vote, and we voted overwhelmingly to support ALPA. We will only strike if they THROW OUT the contract, and this forces them to negotiate. We will probably get a TA, and then we will vote on it again. That is how it works. We can't just stop flying right now, we have to go through the process. This authorization vote had a purpose--you are right--to show management we are fed up.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[~~~^~~~]

Nevermind....

 

[Ralgha]

Hey now.

I'm not saying I'm not pulling for them. I'll smile when I pay my monthly ALPA extra-assesment in the mail (100 bucks? 200 bucks? who knows?) to support them when/if they actually pull the trigger.

But their "tactics" are glaringly obvious. They're not fooling anyone.

Whoa. You have to pay extra when a group strikes? Is it optional? Good information to know...

 

[Soverytired]

Whoa. You have to pay extra when a group strikes? Is it optional? Good information to know...

Yup.

When a group in your union (in this case, ALPA) goes on strike, you'll be sent a bill in the mail for a special assesment to cover their costs. I believe it's based on a percentage of your base salary.

And no, it's not optional. Failure to pay will probably lead to a "member in bad standing" status, which at Mesa, means the union can have the company fire you. (though I've never heard of that happening)

Actually, I think it makes sense, in-as-much as we are all part of the same union and (presumably) working for the same goals.

 

[Ralgha]

Say I work at an ALPA regional and lose my job because Delta strikes and goes under. Would ALPA compensate me in any way? Because if not, then I effectively just paid ALPA to lose my job for me.

 

[WSurf]

Yes, yes I did I believe.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Remember me General!!!

You won't Strike!
You will take Pay Cuts!
You will have a change in Scope!

 

[WSurf]

Say I work at an ALPA regional and lose my job because Delta strikes and goes under. Would ALPA compensate me in any way? Because if not, then I effectively just paid ALPA to lose my job for me.

Yea, Dats Right! Enjoy that 1200.00 a year Magazine!

 

[Pat Fabin]

W,

Is your avatar a picture of your child, or just representative of your overall maturity?

-PF

 

[WSurf]

W,

Is your avatar a picture of your child, or just representative of your overall maturity?

-PF

How about you! Is that avatar representative of you! Meeeeoowww!!! Here kitty kitty!!!

 

[atlcrashpad]

DALPA needs to stay strong. If you guys blink, Grinchstein will bend you over forever.

 

[General Lee]

Say I work at an ALPA regional and lose my job because Delta strikes and goes under. Would ALPA compensate me in any way? Because if not, then I effectively just paid ALPA to lose my job for me.

So, we have to take a bad offer so you can keep your job? Say what? Talk about short sighted. Mangement is doing this to all of us, ALPA is assisting us in trying to keep what we have. Wake up.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Ralgha]

So, we have to take a bad offer so you can keep your job? Say what? Talk about short sighted. Mangement is doing this to all of us, ALPA is assisting us in trying to keep what we have. Wake up.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Actually it was a hypothetical situation since I don't work for an ALPA regional. Your response sure doesn't make me want to join a union with the likes of you though.

Short sighted huh? Here's what I think might happen. If Delta strikes, the company goes out of business.

Top management, who you guys so desperatly want to get back at, will walk away with nice compensation packages, and will aquire another management position in relatively short order, having no second thoughts about Delta.

The pilots will be out of work, probably won't be able to find work at another airline, and may even have problems landing another decently paying job anywhere, unless it's through self-employement, due to the stigma of causing the shutdown of Delta.

The rest of the Delta employees, and many employees associated with Delta will be out of work having had no say whatsoever in the matter. Some will find new work, some won't, most will probably hate the pilots.

End effect on the other pilots in the industry? Probably not much. It's possible that the demise of Delta would benifit the industry as a whole by lowering capacity, but most likely the remaining airlines will fill the void so quickly that the net change will be almost nil, and the industries pilots will be left standing right where they are now wondering why ALPA's grand plan failed.

My opinion. I already know you won't like it, because it goes against what ALPA thinks, and God forbid any pilot goes against what the mighty ALPA says.

Consider this too. ALPA gets quite a bit of money from the Delta pilot dues. Shutting down Delta ends that revenue source immediatly. Not shutting down Delta keeps it going. Even if the pilots subsequently vote ALPA out (not likely), the revenue will keep flowing until that happens.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Say I work at an ALPA regional and lose my job because Delta strikes and goes under. Would ALPA compensate me in any way? Because if not, then I effectively just paid ALPA to lose my job for me.

I had to pay to keep the Comair boys going back in 99 during their strike......and I have never worked for a Delta carrier. Delta pilots did the same.

Somehow I doubt that Comair Pilots are going to remember that in the coming storm.

 

[wmuflyguy]

I had to pay to keep the Comair boys going back in 99 during their strike......and I have never worked for a Delta carrier. Delta pilots did the same.

Somehow I doubt that Comair Pilots are going to remember that in the coming storm.

Another brilliant post.

What will Comair pilots give if they are not recieving a paycheck because Delta is shutdown?

If Dalpa needs to strike, then I hope they do it. They shouldn't settle for more than they need to.

 

[ohplease!]

TACTICS? What do you expect us to do? We have to go through a process, and this is it. We had a vote, and we voted overwhelmingly to support ALPA. We will only strike if they THROW OUT the contract, and this forces them to negotiate. We will probably get a TA, and then we will vote on it again. That is how it works. We can't just stop flying right now, we have to go through the process. This authorization vote had a purpose--you are right--to show management we are fed up.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Well, here we are at another one of those awkward and very few times when I actually agree with what you've said. I hope that if our pilot group is asked for a strike vote, we give the same 90+% yes vote. Cheers to you all for that one.:beer:

 

[800Dog]

Well, here we are at another one of those awkward and very few times when I actually agree with what you've said. I hope that if our pilot group is asked for a strike vote, we give the same 90+% yes vote. Cheers to you all for that one.:beer:

Wow, even more awkward, I agree with what you said and as a former ASA pilot and a pilot in general, I support the ASA folks and hope you get 100% in favor of a strike. I still think you are a pain in the a**!!

 

[~~~^~~~]

Talk about short sighted. Mangement is doing this to all of us, ALPA is assisting us in trying to keep what we have. Wake up.

Bye Bye--General Lee

General:
Who negotiated, ratified and endorsed codeshare? ALPA
Who stopped regional carriers from negotiating their own scope? ALPA
Who negotiated jets for jobs, placing mainline pilots in regional jobs at below industry average pay (even for regional airlines)? ALPA
Who just negotiated Compass, with provisions to sell the thing? ALPA
Who is looking out for the Mesaba pilots when a predatory pilot group just negotiated a deal to take their flying (without a merger - just a grab)? ALPA
Who negotiated the predatory job grab at NWA? ALPA

While all this is happening in the industry, who's President wants to talk about "How far can a dog run into the woods?" ALPA

We have a saying too, "that Dog don't hunt." ALPA has been completely ineffective at preserving our careers and in fact, by allowing some MEC's to victimize other pilot groups, has facilitated the race to the bottom.

If you have placed your faith in ALPA to preserve your career, I am telling you to "Wake Up." Do you think it would particularly upset ALPA to watch Delta go away?

Your strike vote was the right thing to do, but I sure hope ALPA gets pragmatic and saves your job before the creditors pull the plug.

 

[800Dog]

General:
Who negotiated, ratified and endorsed codeshare? ALPA
Who stopped regional carriers from negotiating their own scope? ALPA
Who negotiated jets for jobs, placing mainline pilots in regional jobs at below industry average pay (even for regional airlines)? ALPA
Who just negotiated Compass, with provisions to sell the thing? ALPA
Who is looking out for the Mesaba pilots when a predatory pilot group just negotiated a deal to take their flying (without a merger - just a grab)? ALPA
Who negotiated the predatory job grab at NWA? ALPA

While all this is happening in the industry, who's President wants to talk about "How far can a dog run into the woods?" ALPA

We have a saying too, "that Dog don't hunt." ALPA has been completely ineffective at preserving our careers and in fact, by allowing some MEC's to victimize other pilot groups, has facilitated the race to the bottom.

If you have placed your faith in ALPA to preserve your career, I am telling you to "Wake Up." Do you think it would particularly upset ALPA to watch Delta go away?

Your strike vote was the right thing to do, but I sure hope ALPA gets pragmatic and saves your job before the creditors pull the plug.

And who has voted yes on the various TAs at these regionals. You guys have! If you do not like the deal before you, strike. Noone has put a gun to your head and forced you to vote yes for the contracts you are currently flying under. Personal responsibility, ring a bell?

 

[~~~^~~~]

800Dog - my contract is better than any mainline pilot (US Air, NWA, DL) has agreed to fly my airplane for. The UAL guys might make $1 an hour more on their J4J grab. Even the proposed Delta rates for aircraft larger than mine are lower than my current rates. What are you smoking?

At ASA we are still in negotiations and the message delivered to management was to shove their pay cuts. As a result our airplanes are going to SkyWest and ALPA is doing nuttin.... As a result of ALPA's refusal to allow us to negotiate scope with Delta we can do nothing.

Mainline guys are using their scope power to underbid regionals and take the flying the small jet operator has been performing - how is that saving the profession? Lets call it what it is... Mr. get a job, Bob.