Delta RFP

[i'mbatman]

Does anyone know when they will announce the results?

 

[DLconnection]

Are those A/C awards going to be awarded to a single carrier or will/ (can) they be split up among the DCI carriers?

 

[JECKEL]

President Fred at DCI said the awards will be at the end of the 1st quarter 2004. So I don't know why they would make a rush decision in just 3 days when they don't even plan to announce it for 2 months!

 

[General Lee]

Probably Mesa-----and it is all the Delta Mainline pilots' fault!!!


BYE BYE--General Lee

 

[jrcpilot]

There is no rush decision. Like all other additional flying, each carrier submits a bid proposal and Delta reviews the bids. The bid riff right now is why are so many non-DCI carriers getting Delta Feed. I am not privy to those discussions at Delta but I can tell you that one of the fundamental strategies Delta has implemented is to spread the regional jets around so if any one carrier strikes it does not disrupt the system like the Comair strike did in CVG. DCI will continue to get feed but not all of it. I am curious General Lee, why do you think this is all the Delta Pilots Fault?

 

[cl65capt]

jrcpilot-
I'm going out on a limb here but I'm quite sure the general was being sarcastic saying it would be the Delta pilots fault.

General Lee-
How do you suppose managment will get around your scope clause and the fact that Mesa operates the 90 seater?

 

[HoursHore]

I would think that Mainline would be fighting harder to keep that flying out of the hands of Mesa. The Cheaper Delta Managment can do its former mainline flying, the longer its going to be before they get that flying back. They already have a B scale with the regionals doing much of the former mainline flights. If they introduce a C scale with Mesa that just makes it that much harder to keep wages up and make the job worth something.

 

[601Pilot]

General,

If Mesa is awarded the a/c, will DALPA file a grievance
the day the award is announced or do you have to
wait until the first day they operate a DCI revenue flight?

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

Personally, I don't care who gets them as long as we did not participate in the race to the bottom. Every one I talk to at work has the same opinion.

 

[Russ]

You already did when you bought your job years ago. Long before it was en vogue to trash others for similar sins.

 

[gordon24]

Are we ever going to have a discussion that doesn't result in "airline vs. airline" bashing? Give me a break! You all are a bunch of fu$%ing cry babies. Grow the f#$k up and get a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** life!

 

[CRJ puppy]

MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!

I'm soooo GLAD we CAN all GET along!

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

Like I said, we don't care where they go. We will not participate in the race to the bottom. Mesaba pilots are fighting this battle now and we stand 100% behind them. I plan on being at the CVG rally on the 5th along with a lot of other Comair pilots.

It is not fun fighting this battle. As long as others are willing to fly 70 seat airplanes at sub par 50 seat rates, the fight will continue. Some one has to stand up for what is right, and in the end, we will all be better off for it.

You can either roll over and play dead or fight, and I am **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ed proud of the Mesaba Pilots for their stand.

 

[Russ]

Perhaps you can demand your PFT money back as a sign of solidarity.

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

I personally did not have to pay. But the market did call for this at a lot of airlines and and lot of people did. Was it a bad thing? Nope.
It was just the way it was. So in your feeble attempt to say these pilots did some thing wrong, you are just showing the weak minded attitude of some at skywest who agreed to fly 70 seat aircraft at sub par 50 seat rates.

There is nothing we can do to change that fact. But it does make it harder for the pilots who care about their careers to negotiate a fair pay scale. You people really took a huge step backwards. Maybe you should put your efforts into bringing your wages up instead of b itchi ng about some pilots who had to pay for training because that is what the market called for.

 

[Russ]

Amazing, every one else from your time frame paid...except you. Sure, heard the same from others who post fact ashamed also.
The market didn't call for it, Comair did. There were many pilots hired at other airlines during that time frame who didn't feel the need to pay or to use the venacular of today, race to the bottom. The market was indeed tight in the Comair PFT days yet some held out and did it the proper way.

As far as SkyWest and the 50/70 pay thing. You have hit your mark. I agree completely. I am doing my part thank you, my card is in for the upcoming vote and I hand out as many cards to new guys as I can.

The best part of your post is you defending PFT in your first paragraph because of the economy and the state of the industry(even tho you didn't do it, wink wink). You then go on in your final para to inpugn SkyWest pilots, "You people really took a giant step backwards" SkyWest management presented their case to the pilots using your logic of a poor economy and state of the industry. One of you is copying the other. Your findings are a bit non sequitur to say the least when it was okay for Comair but not for SkyWest.
My opinion is both were wrong.

 

[Tim47SIP]

Russ

Amazing, every one else from your time frame paid...except you. Sure, heard the same from others who post fact ashamed also.

Although I was not hired at Comair, I am fairly sure they had the same program ASA did. There was a min hour level that if you were above, you did not have to pay. When I came on with ASA, I was well above that number and was told that I was waived. It was possible for people to be hired during the PFT days without paying for training. Most of the ERAU and Flight Safety program guys were the ones that did pay for training and are now getting it back over a certain period of time from the company.

 

[DDpaysoff]

DAL operating profit loss for Q3 '03.

Delta Mainline (175 million)
Comair 42.4 million
ASA 25.9 million

My DD says Comair and ASA will get the bulk of the jets. If not let's see what shareholders have to say! This whole thing is not about who can do it cheaper, but rather what market segment does DAL want to grow. These numbers are unbelievable. Check them out yourself. Check out the DAL 10-Q, if you can't sew the wound, might as well use big bandaids! **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**, I am glad we didn't give them a penny.

http://www.dot.gov/affairs/BTS2903.htm

http://www.shareholder.com/Common/Edgar/27904/950144-03-12856/03-00.pdf

 

[Sam Fisher]

DAL operating profit loss for Q3 '03.

Delta Mainline (175 million)
Comair 42.4 million
ASA 25.9 million

My DD says Comair and ASA will get the bulk of the jets. If not let's see what shareholders have to say! This whole thing is not about who can do it cheaper, but rather what market segment does DAL want to grow. These numbers are unbelievable. Check them out yourself. Check out the DAL 10-Q, if you can't sew the wound, might as well use big bandaids!

Ahh...the wonders of how one can allocate expenses and revenues. Sounds to me like if it was operated as all one airline, Delta would have lost $68 million less. Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, Delta consolidates its earnings so that is already taken into account. The RJ might not be making them money, but it might help them "lose less." Furthermore, the RJ airlines are only profitable because of the "cost plus" relationships that they enjoy. I can guarantee that if you properly allocated the revenue share per segment as well as the costs per segment, you wouldn't see airlines like mine making $100 million pre-tax.

Sam

 

[AirBill]

I've heard that Mesa will get all the new jets.

Mind telling the rest of us what your sources are?