Delta Parking 767's rumor

[Ronnie75]

"If it is too low, then you'll have your answer."

Agreed.

 

[Tanker Clown]

Watching these Delta guys is like watching Eastern, Pan Am, or TWA as it was collapsing. Looks like the AA and UAL guys kinda can see Rome burning. Delta guys are just content to play their fiddles.

 

[redflyer65]

Any orders right now?

Bye Bye---General Lee

Wow, gen. You're really not that smart are you. Yea, they will 'announce' them when they are ready and things are lined up (not one day prior to that). You do understand how aircraft orders work don't you? You are aware you can have orders without announcing anything right?

Everytime you post, you make yourself look like you have no idea how things happen in the real aviation world.

Answer these questions for General, if you have the stomach..

Who's furloughed pilots before, SW or DL?

Who's filed for bankruptcy before, SW or DL?

Who has the more employee friendly management team, SW or DL?

Who has outsourced thousands of mainline jobs(and salaries), SW or DL?

Who's posted 40 years of continuous profits, SW or DL?

Which pilot group gets paid more, SW or DL?

Which pilot group has the flexiblity to make more if desired?

Who has more potential for worldwide growth (not codeshare)?

Who has a contract with ZERO 'connection' feed?

Who has a tight, definable limit on codeshare, SW or DL?

Who's gonna bring on more 76 seat RJ's in the future, SW or DL?

Who's cutting back and overstaffed, SW or DL?

Who's interviewing and hiring, SW or DL?

I know anything can happen in the future, just as it can to Delta. But the thing is, history alot of times repeats itself when the legacies don't change their prior practices. You can understand that can't you Gen?

And it's not cockiness Gen, it's simply the facts. I have ZERO worry about the SLI or any furlough at SW. Live with it dude.

Have a FANASTIC night.

RF

 

[SLUF4]

can't we all just get along?

 

[Ronnie75]

"Which pilot group gets paid more, SW or DL?"

If the answer to this after 2012 is still SWA I think that will be the begining of the end of ALPA.

 

[On Your Six]

"Which pilot group gets paid more, SW or DL?"

If the answer to this after 2012 is still SWA I think that will be the begining of the end of ALPA.

You may be right. I know that ALPA is worried, and has asked a lot of Delta pilots via phone polls about the start of an inhouse union---the DPA. A lot of people are interested in that now.


And back when I was at my first airline, Delta piggybacked off of us and got a huge contract, that pays a lot more than SWA does today. Was that the reason Delta went BK? Ask General Lee, I doubt he would agree with that. Are pilot costs the sole reason an airline goes bankrupt? If that is the case, SWA should have been BK a few years ago.


OYS

 

[On Your Six]

Wow, gen. You're really not that smart are you. Yea, they will 'announce' them when they are ready and things are lined up (not one day prior to that). You do understand how aircraft orders work don't you? You are aware you can have orders without announcing anything right?

Everytime you post, you make yourself look like you have no idea how things happen in the real aviation world.

Answer these questions for General, if you have the stomach..

Who's furloughed pilots before, SW or DL?

Who's filed for bankruptcy before, SW or DL?

Who has the more employee friendly management team, SW or DL?

Who has outsourced thousands of mainline jobs(and salaries), SW or DL?

Who's posted 40 years of continuous profits, SW or DL?

Which pilot group gets paid more, SW or DL?

Which pilot group has the flexiblity to make more if desired?

Who has more potential for worldwide growth (not codeshare)?

Who has a contract with ZERO 'connection' feed?

Who has a tight, definable limit on codeshare, SW or DL?

Who's gonna bring on more 76 seat RJ's in the future, SW or DL?

Who's cutting back and overstaffed, SW or DL?

Who's interviewing and hiring, SW or DL?

I know anything can happen in the future, just as it can to Delta. But the thing is, history alot of times repeats itself when the legacies don't change their prior practices. You can understand that can't you Gen?

And it's not cockiness Gen, it's simply the facts. I have ZERO worry about the SLI or any furlough at SW. Live with it dude.

Have a FANASTIC night.

RF

Yes, that was interesting. Nothing will ever happen to you. Delta just hired (I was among them) and it's been awhile since Southwest has had a class, right? I think the 76 seat RJ limit is almost capped. You may be right about 6 or 7 new ones. But we are also bringing on 60 MD90s. You guys are adding 85 717s and more 737s, with the crews. You also have fewer scheduled retirements. Volaris connects with your airline, and feeds it, right? Can you have worldwide growth when you don't have slots or gates anywhere else in the World? Who is overstaffed? Pilot wise, none of us. I'll let Lee answer some more of those questions, but I thought I should take a crack at it, since some have obvious answers.


OYS

 

[Ronnie75]

disregard

 

[General Lee]

Yes, that was interesting. Nothing will ever happen to you. Delta just hired (I was among them) and it's been awhile since Southwest has had a class, right? I think the 76 seat RJ limit is almost capped. You may be right about 6 or 7 new ones. But we are also bringing on 60 MD90s. You guys are adding 85 717s and more 737s, with the crews. You also have fewer scheduled retirements. Volaris connects with your airline, and feeds it, right? Can you have worldwide growth when you don't have slots or gates anywhere else in the World? Who is overstaffed? Pilot wise, none of us. I'll let Lee answer some more of those questions, but I thought I should take a crack at it, since some have obvious answers.


OYS

Six,

It's just not worth it. Red has his deal, and you and I have ours. But, we can hope that the Airtran guys do get a fair shake at their seniority list.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Tanker Clown]

Six,

It's just not worth it. Red has his deal, and you and I have ours. But, we can hope that the Airtran guys do get a fair shake at their seniority list.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Congrats GL! Enjoy what remains of your career at Pan Am!

 

[BrickTop]

DELTA is a laughing matter anymore. Any airline who's CEO earns 8m and still cant post a profit while disrupting and ruining hundreds of careers should be meeting the door way with his head. CONSTANT capacity cuts, scale backs and furloughs and they still cant manage to get costs under control.

 

[jonjuan]

DELTA is a laughing matter anymore. Any airline who's CEO earns 8m and still cant post a profit while disrupting and ruining hundreds of careers should be meeting the door way with his head. CONSTANT capacity cuts, scale backs and furloughs and they still cant manage to get costs under control.

but i thought they made $1.8MM last year, hired last year, and brought down debt by over a MM last year. When did they furlouh? Is there an airline out there that was able to control fuel costs this year? Should he have better been able to control the earthquake in japan? we are talking about q1, right?

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

I assume that you didn't put your app in last go around? I know most people would rather stay at a rj job over that ********************ty Delta. PS make sure you don't apply next year either.

DELTA is a laughing matter anymore. Any airline who's CEO earns 8m and still cant post a profit while disrupting and ruining hundreds of careers should be meeting the door way with his head. CONSTANT capacity cuts, scale backs and furloughs and they still cant manage to get costs under control.

 

[say again]

I will take the worst major airline job over the best regional airline job. Then again, I have no desire to go back to the airlines.

 

[cheapgreek]

DL 767's

Any truth to the rumor that DL will transfer-sell-trade some 767'S to usair?

 

[regionalcap]

DELTA is a laughing matter anymore. Any airline who's CEO earns 8m and still cant post a profit while disrupting and ruining hundreds of careers should be meeting the door way with his head. CONSTANT capacity cuts, scale backs and furloughs and they still cant manage to get costs under control.

You are just making yourself look dumb. Did you not notice the big profits last year? Have you not noticed the huge rise in fuel cost this year? When did we furlough? You are the laughing matter now.

 

[ivauir]

You know Southwest has a 79 hour reserve guarantee. Details like that need to be addressed in 2012, not just pay rate.

SWA guarantee varies depending on the number of days in the month:
- 31 days = 89 credits
- 30 days = 87 credits
- 28/29 days = 85 credits

Contractually speaking there is no difference between reserve guarantee and line guarantee. Practically speaking reserve guarantee is actually higher because reserves get 6 credits per day resulting in reserve lines that are:

- 31 days = 96 credits (16 days of reserve)
- 30/29 days = 90 credits (15 days of reserve)
- 28 days = 85 credits (14 days of reserve)

Hope that helps.

 

[Noserider76]

You guys crack me up. Welcome to ATL SWA guys and girls. One fewer airline is a good thing and I wish the AirTran people the best. The current "best" contracts in the industry are abysmal. If we all ever stop sniping at each other and act like the group of professionals we're supposed to be, we might bring this career back to where it should be.

 

[Midge]

DELTA is a laughing matter anymore. Any airline who's CEO earns 8m and still cant post a profit while disrupting and ruining hundreds of careers should be meeting the door way with his head. CONSTANT capacity cuts, scale backs and furloughs and they still cant manage to get costs under control.

I realize this is flightinfo, and facts only get in the way of a good "my airline is better than your airline," slamfest, but from the Delta company page:

Delta Air Lines Announces $158 Million Quarterly Profit and $1.4 Billion Annual Profit, Excluding Special Items

 

[waveflyer]

I realize this is flightinfo, and facts only get in the way of a good "my airline is better than your airline," slamfest, but from the Delta company page:

Delta Air Lines Announces $158 Million Quarterly Profit and $1.4 Billion Annual Profit, Excluding Special Items

How much of that is going to the pilots who've sacrificed so much since the BK scam?

(it's not my airline is better, it's our mgmt and work environment is clearly better- for which I am grateful - no international ops- but come home off trips well rested and usually smiling. I support the thousands of DALPA pilots who recognize how past generations have screwed the industry with all their outsourcing and are working to change it and bring that flying back into the fold. It's not as aggressive as I'd like- but it's better than the overt denial and greed that has marked DALPA's last decade)