Delta Orient????

[skykid]

And to succinctly respond to your current post, please define "strong." Is $5 billion in debt "strong"?

I don't know where you get 5 billion in debt, because that doesn't relate to NWA or Delta. What I wrote was:

The reason it makes sense is NWA is strong in Asia and Delta is strong in Europe.

I don't think there is a dispute that NWA has a "strong" presence in Asia and Delta has a "strong" presence in Europe.

As for the rest of your post, I can assure it has been decades since I've needed a tissue or was "insulted" by someone (it is completely illogical to let someone else affect your attitude or sense of well being). I'm merely pointing out that people like you who write big on the computer, are usually the exact opposite of what you are trying to represent.

 

[Juvat]

...it is completely illogical to let someone else affect your attitude or sense of well being...

Okay Spock. Remember, it is also illogical not to read the label on your smart pills before taking them. Read the large print that says: take orally. They're not suppositories young man. You've been jamming them in the wrong hole, which may be what's really affecting your attitude and sense of well being.

 

[Redmeat]

...it is completely illogical to let someone else affect your attitude or sense of well being...

Okay Spock. Remember, it is also illogical not to read the label on your smart pills before taking them. Read the large print that says: take orally. They're not suppositories young man. You've been jamming them in the wrong hole, which may be what's really affecting your attitude and sense of well being.

That's what I luv about this board, you never know when someone is gonna make you completely crack up. Juvat, funny stuff man.

No offense skykid.

 

[General Lee]

That's funny, and true.
General,
I admire your loyalty, even though I dont agree with your bashing of others at times. The Air Canada example is a stretch as the gov. does'nt have a stake in your Delta or NW.

How did USAir/AWA get those A350s? Remember when Airbus gave them money to eventually order the new birds? Was that because USAir is really the "USA's main airline?" Why did that deal fail at Air Canada if they were "Canada's airline?" And, why was the initial buyer of Air Canada in Bankruptcy a guy from Hong Kong? He pulled out of the deal 3 weeks before they were supposed to come out the first time, right?

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Seems to me airline bankruptcies are all about money (big surprise there). The major creditors will do whatever they think benefits them the most, which means keeping as many airplanes flying as possible. Their are people out there that will be looking for opportunities that arise from all this turmoil. So anything can happen including replacing old airplanes with new ones, assuming someone benefits from the deal. NWA's Orient routes won't go away, nor will Delta's ATL hub or NWA's MSP hub, or Delta's European or SA flying etc etc. Their may be some new paint jobs and seat changes, but airplanes will keep flying.

I think for the General to have a positive attitude right now is quite commendable. We are in a profession that requires us to deal with adversity calmly and with a positive attitude, last time I flew with a guy that got all panicky and negative when faced with adversity it took a slap to the face to get him to be more positive.

Thanks Dan. When I am not on this forum, I am usually crying in the corner. No, I know this whole deal won't be easy at all, and I expect some major plays being played out right in front of us. As far as a merger with NW, that is all speculation, even though some people think it would be a good fit. All I know is that I am happy we have had 2500 Captain retirements in the last 15 months. That helps out a bunch seniority wise and allows some of us to bid up to whatever equipment is left......

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Deli Guy]

They are NOT suppositories??? So I've been walking around with an ass load of smart pills for the last 20 years? I just took one orally and I am beginning to see the error of my ways. Thank You. Great post!
Deli

 

[Cyclone]

people are funny. look at the general. he is a good DL employee and is basically a DL kool-aid drinker (if there is such a thing). he still believes in the company...he is a good boy scout...trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly...

wake up dude. DL management (fill in NWA, U, etc) has porked away decision after decision after decision...starting way before 9/11 and lcc pressures.

e.g. what planes should we fly? what cities should we serve? how should we treat our employees? how do our customers perceive us? hey i know we can paint some of our airplanes white and green...etc.

mistakes...failure after failure after failure.

now all of a sudden because DL is in BK we are supposed to think that these same incompetent turd-for-brains are going to start making good decisions and that your company is going to start making money again. ok...if you think that is the predictable outcome...good for you. whoa. i would be very worried.

 

[General Lee]

people are funny. look at the general. he is a good DL employee and is basically a DL kool-aid drinker (if there is such a thing). he still believes in the company...he is a good boy scout...trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly...

wake up dude. DL management (fill in NWA, U, etc) has porked away decision after decision after decision...starting way before 9/11 and lcc pressures.

e.g. what planes should we fly? what cities should we serve? how should we treat our employees? how do our customers perceive us? hey i know we can paint some of our airplanes white and green...etc.

mistakes...failure after failure after failure.

now all of a sudden because DL is in BK we are supposed to think that these same incompetent turd-for-brains are going to start making good decisions and that your company is going to start making money again. ok...if you think that is the predictable outcome...good for you. whoa. i would be very worried.

Well, you have some of it right. Management has made some major mistakes. But, we all know that we started too late in saving money at the same time, and a lot of that had to do with our old management headed by Leo Mullin. He put a bunch of money offshore for his senior executives (the SERP), and that didn't go well. As far as dealing with the new realities of flying in America after 9-11, we started off ok---we created Song and it has won some praise. But, we still bought more and more RJs thanks to Fred Greed, who is gone now and incharge of the new Virgin America. Then, Grinstein took over and took too long looking at the situation. After 8 months, he came up with a plan and started it---getting rid of DFW (a money pit), Simplifares, Operation Clockwork at ATL, and fleet simplification. All of that is good, but we were a tad bit late initiating it, and oil got too high for most. Also, the migration of 2500 Captains taking their lump sums didn't help with the cash flow.

So, we now have a plan, but we are low on cash. So, what do you do? Go to court, get rid of planes you don't want, lower lease rates if you can, dump pensions (2500 took half already), and move on, maybe with a dancing partner. No kool-aid here, except I really do enjoy my job.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Cyclone]

oh general

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyclone
you can't pay the mortgage. credit card bills are overdue. last time you made a car payment was in june. electric and phone bills are late. creditors calling. time to file bankruptcy so all the troubles go away.

filed bankruptcy today. tomorrow you go shopping for a brand new M3 convertible? wtfo? i don't think so general. keep sniffing glue though it will help you maintain the positive outlook.

The General's response:

"Maybe you didn't hear about the AirCanada Chap 11 filing. (or whatever is it in Canada) Aftr being days from liquidation, they came out with a huge Boeing order for 20 787s and 35 777s. The reason it later went south was a pilot dispute over seniority on certain planes---CP Air pilots versus old Air Canada. I don't think that would happen here (?), but it shows you that anyone can get new planes after a bankruptcy."

so what you are saying general if i understand you correctly...

no man...you're wrong...one time there was an airline in bankruptcy...and they almost got new airplanes...they didn't get new airplanes...but they had it all lined up and it almost happened...but then it didn't...but it could have and it could happen again...so i think it probably will...and i know that we here at DL are confident...that we will be flying fuel-efficient money making airplanes in the near future...because our executives now know that is the way to go...etc etc etc

did i see a -200 in SLC this morning?

you guys are deep in the korean cabbage general...deep!

 

[DetoXJ]

Detroit NWA + Delta + Ghetto Delta



http://www.funnyjunk.com/pages/ghettodelta.htm

 

[skykid]

And to succinctly respond to your current post, please define "strong." Is $5 billion in debt "strong"? Please do enlighten us with your deep wisdom.

Could you please post where you get "$5 billion in debt" from? Since you insist on telling me to do some research, I'd like to hear it.

I could give you a couple explanations. Depending on what source you use, 5 billion is about 28% of NWA's total debt, or about 18% of Delta's total debt, or about 11% of their combined total debt. If you mean what they owe in pension payments, that makes even less sense, but 5 billion is still low. Since you want me to "enlighten" you, I'd say that if either of these airlines only had 5 billion in debt, they woudn't be within years of a Ch11 filing.

The point is, you have no idea what you are talking about. The dead giveaway is when you have to go to "smart pills" and "jamming in the wrong hole" instead of facts or debate.

 

[skykid]

...except I really do enjoy my job.

Bye Bye--General Lee

That's obvious, and I commend you for it. You've got to remember, Delta only only has one union to deal with - a major advantage when it comes to flexibility. They'll get through Ch11 quicker because of it. GL, I love the route structure match up with NWA and Delta. How do you integrate the fleets?

 

[sandman2122]

From Juvat: "You've been jamming them in the wrong hole, which may be what's really affecting your attitude and sense of well being."

Just like a "lawn dart" pilot to be talking about shoving things up his butt!!

hardy har, har

I couldn't help myself!

 

[skykid]

Just like a "lawn dart" pilot to be talking...

Sandman, I doubt he is a pilot at all. He also says Delta and Northwest are "Losing hundreds of millions of dollars a day (literally!)." Hmmmm, do the math on that one.

This guy is a high school student at best, or has been drunk all afternoon.

Is that avatar your squaw?

 

[General Lee]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyclone
you can't pay the mortgage. credit card bills are overdue. last time you made a car payment was in june. electric and phone bills are late. creditors calling. time to file bankruptcy so all the troubles go away.

filed bankruptcy today. tomorrow you go shopping for a brand new M3 convertible? wtfo? i don't think so general. keep sniffing glue though it will help you maintain the positive outlook.

The General's response:

"Maybe you didn't hear about the AirCanada Chap 11 filing. (or whatever is it in Canada) Aftr being days from liquidation, they came out with a huge Boeing order for 20 787s and 35 777s. The reason it later went south was a pilot dispute over seniority on certain planes---CP Air pilots versus old Air Canada. I don't think that would happen here (?), but it shows you that anyone can get new planes after a bankruptcy."

so what you are saying general if i understand you correctly...

no man...you're wrong...one time there was an airline in bankruptcy...and they almost got new airplanes...they didn't get new airplanes...but they had it all lined up and it almost happened...but then it didn't...but it could have and it could happen again...so i think it probably will...and i know that we here at DL are confident...that we will be flying fuel-efficient money making airplanes in the near future...because our executives now know that is the way to go...etc etc etc

did i see a -200 in SLC this morning?

you guys are deep in the korean cabbage general...deep!

Did you see one? Was it a Casino Express bird? It probably was. You don't know what you are looking at, do you? You seem to be very cloudy on what you are saying, and when I bring up a specific example (ok, two examples---AC and US)--you fold like a deck of cards. You can't seem to understand or comprehend that some people out there may have a plan that we don't know about, and maybe this is all in the "plan." You are really out of it. And, thanks for your expert analysis. CNBC is next for you.

Bye Bye--General Lee