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Delta MD88 ground evac today in ATL

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Tanker Clown said:
You are probably right, but it seems like the last time I bought a ticket on Delta I ended up on some sort of RJ anyway. It was painted like a Delta jet, so I assume they represent Delta.
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They represent the Delta brand, and that's it!

You can easily see when you book online if you're on a connection carrier or not. Depending upon what market you live it, it's relatively easy to book around the RJ's. And hopefully it will get easier as more are taken out of service.
 
Tanker Clown said:
I think they lack a professional mentality. It seems like 10 years ago, they were a fine group. But now, they always seem to be missing the attention to detail that would break error chains that they build for themselves. I'm not sure I'm 100% confident with my family in the back of one of their jets as their pilots are consumed on their laptops trying to eke out an extra dollar or two on Deltas scheduling system, that they'll be focused enough to line up on a runway vs. a taxiway.
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Someone married you? Wow!
 
ultrarunner said:
They represent the Delta brand, and that's it!

You can easily see when you book online if you're on a connection carrier or not. Depending upon what market you live it, it's relatively easy to book around the RJ's. And hopefully it will get easier as more are taken out of service.
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Delta.com. What's the difference in pilots? I figure a RJ capt makes pretty much what a Delta guy makes (after they gave their pay away).

Besides, how much worse can these RJ guys be? As long as they land on a runway, I'm sure Delta would be proud to have them display the Delta logo.

And I got a news flash for you guys. When a average customer flys an RJ that is painted up in Delta, UAL, ect colors, they think that's the airline that they are on. If you ask someone flying on Midwest now what airline they are on, they'll say "Midwest." They have never heard of Republic.
 
Wow. All I can say is, I've jumpseated in DL cockpits and am impressed with the quality of their operation. In fact I've used their procedures as suggestions to my own (AA) flight department in improving our operation.

Bottom line, I would put my family in the back of a Delta jet an day. Sure they've screwed up here and there but who hasn't?

Sounds like they did something to tick you off.
 
Only thing they've done to tick me off is to roll over and take it in the can on pay concessions. I want a good paying job when I leave the military. Delta seems to be one of the leaders to the bottom. That's why I'm not sure why any Delta guy would give an RJ guy a hard time. Both are willing to work for nothing.
 
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Tanker Clown said:
Only thing they've done to tick me off is to roll over and take it in the can on pay concessions. I want a good paying job when I leave the military. Delta seems to be one of the leaders to the bottom. That's why I'm not sure why any Delta guy would give an RJ guy a hard time. Both are willing to work for nothing.
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Just for poops and giggles- can you name a legacy/top end carrier that didn't take paycuts over the last decade?

UPS and FDX didn't, and WN didn't... but you jump all over the WN guys in a similar manner to the DL guys.
 
Wait a second Tanker, why do you presume DL took the worst concessions? Last I checked, CAL and UAL have WAAAY worse contracts than DL. In fact I'd say that - SADLY ENOUGH - DL and AMR have one of the better contracts as far as legacies go.
 
Seriously??

Why is anyone even debating with this waste of a good skin graft named Tanker??

He hasn't had a rational thing to say on this board yet, so why should he start?
 
As per another forum- here is Peanuckle's synopsis of already second hand internet information:

It was a tailpipe fire after the second engine start with no indication in the cockpit. ARFF was very slow in getting out and seemed to not even be sure what they were looking for.

The fire went away for a moment, flared back up- a EV CRJ directly behind was giving a good play by play to the crew over the freq.

By the time ARFF finally made it to the aircraft... the doors were popping for the evac.
 
Ed Harley said:
Really? Very few reasons necessitate an evacuation where you increase the risk of passenger and crew injury. Not sure why they couldn't just blow the bottles or shut the engine down and have ARFF inspect. We'll see what the investigation reveals but I'll bet that the crew got anxious and called for an evacuation prematurely.
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I don't know many - if any - crews that would ground evac without a damn good reason. The confusion alone of a ground evac can make it a disaster. I once had an APU fire on taxi that did not extinguish after shutting down the APU AND firing the fire bottle. Another crew was very helpful in stating that smoke continued to billow from the APU area about 30 seconds after the bottle was fired (not visible aboard the aircraft and ARFF was not there yet). I elected to ground egress because there was no certain way to know if it was or was not on fire (on board indications said no). In the end, an oil line had ruptured and was spraying oil on a hot APU causing the thick white smoke. ARFF had it snuffed out about 45 seconds after they arrived. Either way, I'd rather be conservative and see someone turn an ankle or a wrist vice having someone burn up because I was being overly optimistic. It's really easy to second guess here on FI, but you weren't there, you don't have the facts, and you don't know the indications they had which caused them to make the decision they did.
 
Well said. The way I see it is the aircraft is on the ground, better evac and be safe when it comes to a fire. You can replace the aircraft but you can't replace the lives that could be lost. Good case in point Saudi Flight 163, captain ordered the crew not to evacuate, a lot of lives lost on that poor decision.
 
Tanker Clown said:
Only thing they've done to tick me off is to roll over and take it in the can on pay concessions.
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Exactly! Whenever anyone else gets it in the can you get jealous! Here's
to you taking it in the can for the rest of your miserable career tanker clown/crj567!:beer:

I want a good paying job when I leave the military.
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So what exactly defines "good paying job" for someone who copies faxes and serves superior officers coffee all day long?

Delta seems to be one of the leaders to the bottom.
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You obviously haven't looked at US Air's or United's payscales then have you? Of course being so close to the bottom yourself, you'd know alot about that!


That's why I'm not sure why any Delta guy would give an RJ guy a hard time. Both are willing to work for nothing.
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And how are those $5 BJ's you're giving out at the airport working out for you?
 
Ed Harley said:
Really? Very few reasons necessitate an evacuation where you increase the risk of passenger and crew injury. Not sure why they couldn't just blow the bottles or shut the engine down and have ARFF inspect. We'll see what the investigation reveals but I'll bet that the crew got anxious and called for an evacuation prematurely.
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Baseless.....

You need to review PIC authority and eat some humble pie. There are dozens of reasons why the crew aired in they direction they did.

This type of conclusive thinking is ridiculous. A weak decision maker you must be.

Kudos to the crew!
 

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