Delta flowback program

[dgarro]

If Delta furloughs pilots is there a flow back program at Comair do they get hired before guys who are in the hiring pool at Comair? I am curious. Please shed some light on this matter . Tanx

 

[JetPilot_Mike]

If Delta furloughs pilots is there a flow back program at Comair do they get hired before guys who are in the hiring pool at Comair? I am curious. Please shed some light on this matter . Tanx

Not you again.

 

[Long Time Gone]

You have nothing to worry about....

Comair has never hired (let alone interviewed, to my knowledge) any furloughed DAL pilot. God forbid if they have a DAL pilot on the property.

They're way too stuck up to do so, so you'll fit in just fine.

LTG

 

[bailout]

At ASA, they came in at @ 2 per class of 20, so Im sure they "pushed" a few guys back.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

They didn't 'push' anyone back. They hired on just like anyone else. They SHOULD be at the head of the line. Hmmm let's see...someone with many thousands of hours, 121 time, EXPERIENCE, hmmm or someone with 500 hrs, 300 pic, 20 actual, little experience....I'll choose 'a' I think. Like they did 10, 15 yrs ago. Very simple, you can't beat EXPERIENCE. When the shiite hits the fan, I would rather have someone who 'might have been there' in the right seat.
JMO.

 

[Long Time Gone]

Exactly what I'm talking about.....

At ASA, they came in at @ 2 per class of 20, so Im sure they "pushed" a few guys back.

Arrogance was present at the academy, and it still is at the airline...

They didn't "push" anyone back at all. They may have retained their employee numbers for HR purposes, but no one retained their seniority number at all. All seniority numbers were based on DOH and age within the same DOH. I have numeorus furloughees under me, and every single one of them used to be a captain here. Now they're all FOs. That's life.

I'm sure all of this info is exactly the opposite of what the CMR MEC is telling their people. Get your sh!t right or shut the h*!! up.

LTG

 

[chperplt]

I'm sure all of this info is exactly the opposite of what the CMR MEC is telling their people. Get your sh!t right or shut the h*!! up.

Dude... An old wise man once said.. "Speak not for what you do not know, as you'll look like an ass!!

Do you have any idea what the CMR MEC is saying regarding preferential hiring?? By your ignorant reply, the answer is not just no.. but hell no.

 

[Jetpig]

At ASA, they came in at @ 2 per class of 20, so Im sure they "pushed" a few guys back.

I not sure, but I think he is responding to the first question on how this would effect the "guys" in the hiring pool. Not the Pilots on the ASA seniority list.

 

[bailout]

Thank you JetPig, thats exactly what I meant, (as that was the question he asked) but as usual the dumba$$es speak before understanding what they hear/read.

 

[JOPILOT]

Attention Atr Driver- Last I Checked Comairs Mins Were A Little Higher Than 500 Tt, 20 Actual. You Might Be Thinking Of Mesa? Nicely Put Statement Though, Arrogance Must Work Well In The Atr? Jp

 

[FL990]

Attention Atr Driver- Last I Checked Comairs Mins Were A Little Higher Than 500 Tt, 20 Actual. You Might Be Thinking Of Mesa? Nicely Put Statement Though, Arrogance Must Work Well In The Atr? Jp

In ATR-DVR's defense...i believe he may have been refering to ASA. Here, they have been hiring furloughed delta pilots along with former ASA interns and "Flight Safety buy a job" guys. The experience range has been anywhere from 6000+ total time to 500 total 30 multi (for guys that were interns or FLT SFTY).

I think that what he was saying is that the more experienced people should get hired first...I would agree with that...but this is not to say that i disagree with them hiring former interns...however i do believe that the "FLT SFTY buy-a-job" guys should be SOL.

As for the original question of flow back, I think that it is time for all Alpa guys to stand together and get this thing branded. I for one am not a big union person at all, but what i am seeing is to companies CHQ, and Skywest who are on no ones side but there own. They aren't Alpa or Delta management. They are in bed with multiple airlines. That would be like an NFL player playing for the Eagles, Cowboys, Redskins, and Giants all in the same week, or day even. As this deal progresses through the years, we (all alpa groups involved) need to work to shift this to brand...since pay won't be a negotiating factor for DALPA, maybe they can use this.

 

[sweptback]

In ATR-DVR's defense...i believe he may have been refering to ASA. Here, they have been hiring furloughed delta pilots along with former ASA interns and "Flight Safety buy a job" guys. The experience range has been anywhere from 6000+ total time to 500 total 30 multi (for guys that were interns or FLT SFTY).

I think that what he was saying is that the more experienced people should get hired first...I would agree with that...but this is not to say that i disagree with them hiring former interns...however i do believe that the "FLT SFTY buy-a-job" guys should be SOL.

As I understand it, JE in hiring has a pretty decent system for hiring people out of the pool. They try to get a good mix in each class of high time, 135, former 121, and low time. As I understand it, they only take about 2 interns and 2 FSI folks for each class (out of 20). Those numbers are about where they should be, IMO.

However, taking only 2 DAL furloughs per class is just wrong, if there are others waiting. I can understand why they would not want to have a class of all, or even half, but more than two per class would be great.

 

[maxcackel]

My class had nine former DL people plus a good mix of others. And all were awsome and glad to be there as opposed to the alternitive.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

ATR Drivr,

Do you honestly believe that the Comair pilot group is made up entirely of 500 hour wonders?

Is that truly the perception out there in the industry? Are we viewed by our peers as a "training camp" for the ultra-low time?

If so, I hope that you and our peers within the industry will give us another look. Competitive hiring requirements at Comair today are well in excess of 3000 hours TT with prior part 121 experience.

While a small percentage of newhires come through the Delta Connection Academy, it appears that most of the newhires at Comair since around 2002 have been very highly experienced furloughees from American, TWA, United, US Airways, Midway, Mesaba, American Eagle, and Colgan. In addition to these pilots -- who, by the way range from 6000-10,000TT -- there are quite a few military pilots here.

I realize this is off-topic and I apologize for the diversion, but the first thing we need to do is break down these stereotypes and false perceptions. A pilot is a pilot is a pilot. It does not matter if his aircraft was manufactured by Boeing, or Douglas, or Canadair or Embraer. We all do the same job. The minute we can start looking at each other as professionals, then we can start moving forward.

Personally, I would welcome the Delta furloughees at Comair. Why? Because Comair welcomed me during MY time of need.

 

[sweptback]

My class had nine former DL people plus a good mix of others. And all were awsome and glad to be there as opposed to the alternitive.

That's awesome. I stand corrected now. Hopefully future classes have a similar ratio.