Delta Decesion?

[michael707767]

One difference between these carriers and most of the majors is in fact, "inclusive scope."

First of all, in the case of Fedex you are wrong. They do allow outsourcing.

In the case of SW, I would call it "exclusive scope". As in no one does our flying but us.

 

[michael707767]

Second year First Officer, Fed Ex, $128, Second Year First Officer, Southwest $88, plus 10% profit sharing and 7.3% 401K match.

you point out the SW 401k match but fail to mention Delta's 9% DC plan contribution in addition to the 2% 401k match. Why is that?

 

[~~~^~~~]

you point out the SW 401k match but fail to mention Delta's 9% DC plan contribution in addition to the 2% 401k match. Why is that?

What, you a little sensitive that someone else's might be bigger than yours? Jeesh, who cares?

The point is, you "MAINLINE" guys come over here to the Regional board to beat us up for doing the flying Delta outsourced for less and make a point of the "mine is bigger than yours" arguements all the time.

If "mine is bigger than yours" is so important, and the reason why your's is bigger than mine is because I'm a drunk, lazy, opportunist - then it only stands to reason that a vast majority of the MAINLINE guys also have the same qualities or else you would be quitting your jobs and going to FedEx, UPS, Southwest, or any of the other carriers which offer more compensation and a better future.

The bottom line is to show the stupidity of this whole "mine is bigger than yours" arguement. We are pilots and we belong to a profession. We should work together to raise the standard, not constantly attack those who's pay, airplanes, or working conditions are less than ours.

Why don't you guys do something constructive, like argue in favor of scope that binds employers to pilots so they can raise the profession, or use this board to HELP people by giving advice that might assist them in reaching your lofty perch? "Mine's bigger than yours" is just dumb.

The TRUTH is that 90% of this business is luck. United, Braniff, Eastern, Pan Am, Delta, Continental, Comair, ASA, ACA / Independance - at one time all of these carriers were "the place to be" for some period of time. Pilots got hired, got some seniority and decided to enjoy life. There is nothing wrong with that, those carriers did not fail because their pilots were lazy, drunk, bastards.

So as you watch pilots tear each other apart over the left over scraps of Delta's scope bargaining it is just plain wrong to come over here and throw crap on them. It reminds me of a redneck throwing meat off this front porch and watching the dogs fight while he spits tobacco juice at the dogs.

 

[michael707767]

What, you a little sensitive that someone else's might be bigger than yours? Jeesh, who cares?

no, I just think you like to portray things at Delta as being worse than they are.

The point is, you "MAINLINE" guys come over here to the Regional board to beat us up for doing the flying Delta outsourced for less and make a point of the "mine is bigger than yours" arguements all the time.

I don't give a damm if my plane is bigger or smaller than yours. And I really don't care how much money you make. In fact I am smart enough to know that the more money you make the better. Personally, I don't beat up anyone over doing flying that we have said we don't we don't want to do. I do beat up our union officials who want to outsource more and more, and I beat up the fools who vote yes for it. But, once we have outsourced flying I dont care who does it or for how much.

The TRUTH is that 90% of this business is luck. United, Braniff, Eastern, Pan Am, Delta, Continental, Comair, ASA, ACA / Independance - at one time all of these carriers were "the place to be" for some period of time. Pilots got hired, got some seniority and decided to enjoy life. There is nothing wrong with that, those carriers did not fail because their pilots were lazy, drunk, bastards.

that is something I agree with. Which is why I find it funny people are so wrapped up in which major would be the best to fly for. The fact is the vast majority of pilots don't get offers from multiple airlines. They apply to all and end up at the one that hires them.

 

[ohplease!]

Thanks, but if I wanted any lip out of you, I'd scrape it off my zipper!

737

snappy. I think I heard that the last time when I was in 7th grade. dumba$$.

 

[ohplease!]

What, you a little sensitive that someone else's might be bigger than yours? Jeesh, who cares?

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Fins, If life at the big D is sooo great, what the hell are these guys doing sitting around on a REGIONAL message board trying to convince all these "totally unqualified" "commutter" pilots how great their life is?

 

[737 Pylt]

snappy. I think I heard that the last time when I was in 7th grade. dumba$$.

So that was when.......Last year?

Fins, If life at the big D is sooo great, what the hell are these guys doing sitting around on a REGIONAL message board trying to convince all these "totally unqualified" "commutter" pilots how great their life is?

We're not, we just want to show just how pathetic your life is, and how much of a jackass you really are!
Besides, shouldn't you be getting your knee pads repaired so you can spend your "off time" under JA's desk in preparations for your management wannabe class?
737

 

[ohplease!]

So that was when.......Last year?




We're not, we just want to show just how pathetic your life is, and how much of a jackass you really are!
Besides, shouldn't you be getting your knee pads repaired so you can spend your "off time" under JA's desk in preparations for your management wannabe class?
737

wow...you ARE the sharpest TOOL in the shed, aren't you? LMAO...dumba$$.

 

[737 Pylt]

wow...you ARE the sharpest TOOL in the shed, aren't you? LMAO...dumba$$.

Great comeback sport! YAWN! imp:

737

 

[HelloNewman]

You would hope that they would "remember" what the ASA pilot group did for the furloughee's and give it where it rightfully belongs...ASA! Of course that would make sense and we know that NOTHING in the airline business makes sense!

Actually the flying "belongs" at Delta. Unfortunately they opened up that can of worms quite a few years back. Delta doesn't really owe ASA, Skywest, or anyone else for that matter anything. Just because you used to be owned by delta doesn't make you the golden child. Who knows where the planes will go and I could care less. All I know is they won't decide based on sentimental reasons lol.

 

[atlcrjdriver]

Once the DL RFP is awarded, it would be awarded under SKW Inc. for them to decide which side of the fence would fly what routes. JA could decide that until a new deal is reached SKW will fly all new routes that don't conflict w/ the UAL agreement. The DL pilot corp would have no say in the RFP award at all.

Once DL starts hiring in '07 is when they may have the opportunity to thank the ASA pilots.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Once DL starts hiring in '07 is when they may have the opportunity to thank the ASA pilots.

O' crap, guess I better start being nice to 737Pylt and the General.

 

[michael707767]

O' crap, guess I better start being nice to 737Pylt and the General.

Look, you want to apply to Delta, then do so. If you don't want to apply, that's fine too. But, don't knock it for the guys that may decide moving on is what's best for them.

 

[~~~^~~~]

I'm not knocking them... heck I am one.

 

[FDJ2]

O' crap, guess I better start being nice to 737Pylt and the General.

Hey, what about me?

 

[737 Pylt]

O' crap, guess I better start being nice to 737Pylt and the General.

Fins:
You're alright! Breiling need not apply though. Or ohplease for that matter!

737

 

[amcnd]

Once the DL RFP is awarded, it would be awarded under SKW Inc. for them to decide which side of the fence would fly what routes. JA could decide that until a new deal is reached SKW will fly all new routes that don't conflict w/ the UAL agreement. The DL pilot corp would have no say in the RFP award at all.

Once DL starts hiring in '07 is when they may have the opportunity to thank the ASA pilots.

I believe ASA and SkyWest put in different bids.(do to the fact they have different operating costs)

 

[ohplease!]

Fins:
You're alright! Breiling need not apply though. Or ohplease for that matter!

737

You may find this hard to believe but, I have absolutely no desire to go to Delta. If I chose to leave ASA or ASA shuts down, I can assure you I will NEVER fly for another alpa carrier. Not ever. I'd go back to corp. America first.

 

[800Dog]

You may find this hard to believe but, I have absolutely no desire to go to Delta. If I chose to leave ASA or ASA shuts down, I can assure you I will NEVER fly for another alpa carrier. Not ever. I'd go back to corp. America first.

Best post ever ohplease! Glad we will never fly together. Go DAWGS!!

 

[FDJ2]

If I chose to leave ASA or ASA shuts down, I can assure you I will NEVER fly for another alpa carrier.

Believe me, you won't be missed.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Hey, DAL757... Since this thread is occupying the number 1 slot could you please spell decision correctly in the thread name, I don't know why but its bugging me no end.

 

[atlcrjdriver]

I believe ASA and SkyWest put in different bids.(do to the fact they have different operating costs)

That may be the case but until I see the a/c on the ramp w/ ASA paint and the lines in the bid packet, JA could and would shift that flying and DL wouldn't object as long as the net cost was not affected.

 

[Tomct]

Actually the flying "belongs" at Delta. Unfortunately they opened up that can of worms quite a few years back. Delta doesn't really owe ASA, Skywest, or anyone else for that matter anything. Just because you used to be owned by delta doesn't make you the golden child. Who knows where the planes will go and I could care less. All I know is they won't decide based on sentimental reasons lol.

I agree, it does belong at Delta, but like was said earlier, the can of worms has opened....and YES, we are the "little darlings" of Delta!! Where have YOU BEEN?