Delta/ASA?

[Klamath]

Forgive me, I'm just clueless and curious.

I'm sure it is not as simple as this but..... What would have stopped Delta Management from telling it's pilots getting hired by Comair to "just cross your fingers behind your back when resigning your number at Comair" and promised to have their Delta senority numbers waiting for them when they wanted them back?

Could the Delta pilots have all voted to agree to do this for their furloughed pilots (put their senoirty in "limbo status"? If so, Delta management could have ended this.

Again, just lookin for "sum edjumication".

 

[General Lee]

Klamath,

We asked our VP of flt ops that same question and his response was, "That would be dishonest..." A lot of our guys dislike him.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[wil]

I have learned a lot from the various furloughees that I have flown with to date. It is invaluable to have someone in the right seat who has "been there done that". Given the turbulent (sorry) nature of our business I think it is BS to make someone sign away their seniority rights. I don't know if it is too late for Comair to rethink their policy but given the current climate they would be wise to do so. Fly safe- Wil

 

[~~~^~~~]

Will: I agree. The Delta guys who have flown with me have been top notch, good pilots with good attitudes.

I can see Lawson trying to help his people out.... He sure as heck didn't just "offer" to help our guys right off the bat. He wanted something in return.

That Sir, is called negotiation. Bill Buergey came in and refused to negotiate - by definition - that is a "demand." Your MEC is spinning this to again whip up hate and resentment for pilots on the Delta property - I'm posting to anyone who will read it that this sort of politics is counter productive to our long term needs.

In the mean time, DCI got a HUGE percentage increase while we were downsizing. Sure, we had some overcapacity problems at the time and that probably was a smart thing to do, but DCI grew a lot more that was previously allowed by our contract, signed by LEO. You got to expand, and we got to shrink.

Not really true, although your perspective is understandable. All along, ALPA & Delta management has worked to keep the percentage of DCI flying at the number which would allow the delivery of the aircraft on firm order. If you notice, we hit the scope limits just sa our last airplanes are rolling in, perhaps a little before, but the percentage has always been driven by the firm orders. Otherwise, DCI would have had to furlough for no reason at all, other than our own union's bargaining.

Delta has admitted in serveral articles that we are now scope constrained and have to address scope before DCI could excercise any options, or operate additional aircraft.

And we have not been growing - we have been re-equipping. In growth, people upgrade. The last three, or four, bids at my airline have included displacements because we are reducing pilot slots (believe me, I know and I picked up the books to start studying for my downgrade) I know it looks like growth to you because our ASM's keep increasing, but consider that an RJ cranks out 3 times the ASMs of an EMB120 and the CR7 produces nearly 5 times the ASMs per flight. 500% is a huge number!

I say you guys won and a lot of people got free upgrades in the process. That is good for you, but some of you still want to expand at our expense, and we will still have 1060 pilots out as of Dec 1st.

I want your furloughees back too, maybe as much as you do - simply because then my union will not be so intently focused on destroying my airline.

As you agree - we are in this together. You need DCI feed and we need an international airline network to feed. Delta furloughed less and for a shorter period of time - due to the strength of the network with RJ feed. If DCI expands - you expand. There is only so much that can be done with an RJ, it is not a 737-800 and not cost competitive on anything but its niche.

Thanks for your reply! Have a great one.

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[General Lee]

Fins,

In negotitations, not everybody gets what they want. You and I both know this. Buergey probably wanted something that the other MEC chairs were not willing to give up. Same goes for what Lawson wanted. But, in the end, only DCI really got something, and that was a percentage increase. As far as ASA gaining upgrades etc, it looks like management is playing hardball with you, again. The percentages are there, but Chataqua is really getting the extra planes and flights. During your negotiations you will be subjected to "you cost too much," and "That is too expensive..." We have all seen this before.

Also, I have an interesting article about the new 7E7 and Delta that I will put on a new thread. It is interesting that they can talk about paycuts etc, and yet talk to Boeing about new aquisitions.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FurloughedAgain]

According to another thread regarding the CHQ T/A, they will be taking an additional 30 airplanes for DCI.

Thats roughly 300 pilot positions that will not be available for Delta OR Delta Connection.

 

[General Lee]

Furloughedagain,

Apparently DCI hasn't even reached the percentage quota that they are now allowed to have, and apparently Chataqua is the big winner, not ASA or Comair. I wonder what the Chataqua pay rates will be, and I wonder what ASA will ask for or get?

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Yea, right....bite that carrot, guys, bite that carrot! You'll be remembered after all the Capt's sons, daughters, cousins, nephews, etc....Also, don't forget all the military buddies that are waiting to get on.

Oh you Comair guys never cease to amaze me. As an ASA pilot, I don't give a rat's ass whether or not our hiring of furloughed Delta pilots helps me or any of my co-workers get a job at Delta. Quite honestly, I seriously doubt that it will carry a whole lot of weight. Having said that, I still FIRMLY believe that hiring a furloughed Delta pilot or United pilot or whoever without requiring them to give up their seniority number is just the right thing to do. I don't get excited about who is or isn't on my seniority list as long as they're hired into the bottom. I'm happy to have all of you.

You know, for a group of professional pilots, you Comair guys are about the biggest d@mn babies I have ever seen.