Delta/ASA?

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

No one is going to get descriminated against. People like the Gen and fat boy(heavy set) enjoy getting on here and making themselves feel important. It is quite comical if you ask me.

My Cousin has been with Delta 30 years, and I know several Delta pilots personally. A 20 year Delta pilot is also my life long friend. We went to grade school together. My neighbor is a Delta pilot. It is funny that NONE of these people agree with gens and fat boys (heavy set) opinion. These idiots are your typical kind who enjoy throwing their weight around in an attempt to scare junior pilots, and at the same time make themselves feel important.

My Cousin laughed. He said all Delta needs is more EOE law suits. Gen and Fat Boy, give it up. Your stripes are showing and you are just making fools of yourselves.


And one more thing Gen. If all the Delta pilots had put pressure on mgt. during our strike we might not of been kicked off your JS. And the Comair pilots who had interviews might not of had them cancelled.
Do not lecture us about support.

 

[Bill Mostellar]

When we were hiring (1996-2001), the key(s) to an interview were meeting the application requirements and having credible references from current Delta pilots. The testing determined if you advanced to the interview, which is where the decision to hire was made. This interview was typically conducted by a retired Delta pilot and one of the Pilot Employment Specialist (e.g. Glenn Brett).

Before we stopped hiring in 2001 (right after signing the contract...hmmm), HR was trying very hard to bring Pilot Hiring under their direct control, basically eliminating Plato Rhyne and the line pilots' influence. They saw no difference between hiring pilots, ramp workers, and accountants.

When we start hiring again, I imagine HR will again try to bring pilot hiring under their umbrella.

I wish you success!

 

[FlyComAirJets]

So I will ask the question again, why didn't any Eastern pilots get hired to fly the line? Couldn't they get "credible references from current Delta pilots?"

 

[General Lee]

Afellowaviator,

That's funny, when things were really bleak here 6 months ago, we couldn't find a Comair pilot that would ever consider going to Delta. As far as your friends who are Delta pilots, if they were asked the same question in the ATL crew lounge, they would answer it differently. Everyone that I have talked to, and that is probably more than your 4 Delta friends, has said, "Screw them." Everyone is aware of your "Drop the seniority number" policy and how it affected our pilots. As far as lawsuits etc, I am sure that a few sons and daughters of Delta pilots who are Comair pilots will make it through, and that should be enough to please the lawyers. As far as the regular Comair pilot with no ties, it might be tougher. You can bet that people like me will be calling down to the people in charge and even going to the GO to discuss how things will work. I bet they will listen to me, and many more. The interviewers will not only be HR people, that is ridiculous. There are plenty of now retired pilots (we had 281 retire 3 days ago) that have fresh memories. They will be the ones asking aviation questions, looking at logbooks, etc. and they are the only ones who can determine if certain aviation stories are true. The HR people just watch your body language---and the amount of sweat pouring from your head. (Some will have more than others) Our retired pilots will always have a say in who gets hired. When our last furlough--TBKANE--is back, I will find out what is happening with the eventual hiring, and I will see if I can volunteer helping out.
By the way, I really like the pilots at ASA and Chataqua. As far as the Eastern pilots getting on, I doubt any scabs got on, and the hiring process has changed since then. There has never been this much interest from the pilot group on who gets on, and that may influence a lot of things. Good luck to everyone.


Bye Bye--General Lee

PS---Afellowaviator---Heavy Set's info states he is furloughed, so try not to call him fat boy

 

[NYRANGERS]

Look, as far as hiring goes there will be a lot of input with regards to comair. As the General said, a year ago you couldn't find a comair pilot who wanted to work for Delta. Our MEC, as has been the case, will continue to get calls regarding the hiring of comair pilots. Remember, the request to have the comair pilots support (notice, I didn't say change the policy) the hiring of Delta guys w/o giving up their numbers came from our MEC, so our MEC is on top of the issue.

All that being said.......I don't really think there will be any acitve policy against comair...heck it's hard enough to get hired, I don't think having flown for comair will be any advantage though. I think our efforts will more closely focus on how to help the ASA guys. ( I know, I know, you nay sayers will now say......oh yea, you didn't help so and so......blah blah blah). Just wait and see, ASA's efforts on our behalf will be reciprocated.

There are many ways we could give a BIG leg up to the ASA guys to come over to Delta if they wish. It may take a little bargaining capital, but it's the least we can do.

Good luck to all,

NYR

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

Gen, your such an idiot. I sometimes think you actually believe this stuff you say. I guess you called Leo and told him about your "master plan". And I am sure he is fine with it. What's a few law suits. Delta has plenty of money. Good grief.

I noticed you did not comment on the lack of support we got when we were kicked off your JS and our pilots interviews were cancelled. I guess in your mind it is a one way street when dealing with us. That is what we got out of your Mr. Burgey.(spelling?)

Any Comair pilot who wants to fly at Delta will have just a good a chance as any other pilot. You know it, I know it.

Unless ofcourse, you come up with a "secret decoder ring" system or something. Then, we are in trouble. No, better yet, a "secret hand shake"", now that's an idea! It would be like the "skull & bones" society!

GET REAL.

 

[NYRANGERS]

Any Comair pilot who wants to fly at Delta will have just a good a chance as any other pilot. You know it, I know it.

Unless ofcourse, you come up with a "secret decoder ring" system or something. Then, we are in trouble. No, better yet, a "secret hand shake"", now that's an idea! It would be like the "skull & bones" society!

GET REAL.

How can you say this? I don't think there will be a ban on hiring comair pilots, but we could use the same reasoning management used (crm). All it would take is the "safety" word.

I know you may not have interviewed at Delta, but I'll tell you it is hard enough to get the interview. I'll tell you this...........................comming from comair sure as he11 won't be an advantage.

Like I have said before, I think we will focus our energies on helping ASA pilots. The interview is where we weed out pilots like you. Then when you don't get hired you can sue us. Good luck..

NYR

PS. Although we are talking about something that won't take place for some time, it is a refreshing argument. I am tired of the "other" subject. Let's beat this one to death.

 

[General Lee]

Afellowaviator,

Ok, wait one second. Let's look at your statement and review it:


"Gen, your such an idiot."

Does anyone else see anything wrong there? Careful who you call an idiot.

Lawsuits? Look at the demographics of Delta pre-9-11: We had 125 female pilots (compared to United's 1500) and a low percentage of minorities. I am not saying that we shouldn't have females and minorities, but Delta obviously doesn't care about the lawsuits like United does. I think more females and minorites should be hired, but I didn't do the hiring in the past. But, I will try to take an active roll in the future, and NY Rangers hit the nail on the head, being from Comair won't help your cause. I am sure there will be some hired eventually after all of the furloughs get back, but the interviewers will have some pre-hiring comments to listen to first. To say that they can't be biased before they interview is naive. And guess what? Leo doesn't care. But, our pilot group really does, and the recent retirees probably read the Dalpanet too. Good luck to everyone. Let's hope things really do get better and our furloughs return soon.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[bladeusa]

why dont u 1st worry about getting all the furloughes back.. then once DAL is actually are hiring.. ppl can start to be concerned about who and why... still have a long road ahead before any of that takes place.. quit putting the cart in front of the horse.. focus more on the task at hand.. get pillots back in the cockpit where they belong.. not home depot.

 

[General Lee]

Bladeusa,

Why don't you re-read all of my previous posts in this thread. I always state that AFTER WE GET THE FURLOUGHS BACK---we will then concentrate on this. My major priority has always been to get them back or just back into the cockpit. I don't want any of them to have to work at Home Depot if they don't want to.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

Gen, you still have not answered my question about Delta pilots not going to bat for us when we were kicked off your JS. Or when our pilots interviews were cancelled after we walked.

 

[jarhead]

General Lee

As to your question about AFellowAviator's post:

It's the first thing that jumped off the screen at me.

Why is it, that so many on these boards, of supposedly educated pilots, have such difficulty in differentiating the proper usage of two words that are pronounced the same, but have totally different meanings. Yes, I'm speaking about "You're", and "Your".

AFellowAviator should have used the word "You're", the contraction for the two words, "You are".

The other thing that jumps out at me, is the personal attack in the first place. It really is "low brow" when one must resort to name calling in a debate or exchange of ideas. If you must attack, attack the idea, rather than the person. It really works better that way.

 

[General Lee]

Jarhead,

I agree. I try not to resort to name calling---like "you're an idiot."
I try not to be personal---I just give my opinions.

Afellowaviator,

Our own furloughs cannot jumpseat during their furlough, and that was the company making that rule. They also made the rule that you could not while you had your strike. If we could not get our own pilot furloughs on our jumpseats, then how could we have gotten yours? We would have if we could have, that is for sure.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[JI Gone OH]

Ahhhhh General:

You said quote: "Our own furloughs cannot jumpseat during their furlough, and that was the company making that rule.

Bye Bye--General Lee

YOUR COMPANY MAKING THE RULES!!! WHOA!!! FUNNY! Don't lecture us on company policy, pal!!! You made it sound like it was so easy for us at CMR to change our company's hiring "POLICY" (i.e. getting Delta Pilot's hired on at COMAIR without resigning their seniority!) Why didn't you exercise that Almighty power that you seem to think that you have with Leo and Company, and FORCE (as you wanted us at COMAIR to do) Delta to change their policies so that all those furloughs you claim to have such concern about could jumpseat? Not so easy is it! What a HYPOCRIT!

If you put your D*CK out there, someone is going to step on it. This time the pleasure was all mine

 

[CRJ puppy]

Ouch!

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

JI Gone OH,

That is exactly why I ask the question. And yes, I still think the guy is an idiot.

jUGHEAD, thank god the word police is here, or is it hear? Can you help me with that one?

 

[jarhead]

AFellowAviator

Yes, I could help you with "here" or "hear", but choose not to. I am not the word police.

By the way, I am on the side of regional pilots disputes on these boards, in general terms. That does not mean that I approve of ad homonym attacks on people, vs. reasoned and civil debate.

On the contrary, I am not the "word police". I was responding to a post by General Lee where he asked if anyone saw something wrong with an opening salvo by you, wherein you stated: "Gen Lee, your such an idiot", yet could not use the proper kings English to present your own attack on intellect. I did respond because your opening was inappropriate, and it seemed like the pot calling the kettle black, for a guy to claim another pilot was an idiot, yet the accuser seemed to be lacking in intellect himself. Believe me, you brought my reply to General Lee on yourself. Had you not sent out such a paradox of a statement, about someone else's intellect, I would have let your faux pas go by.

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

Jughead,
YOUR an idiot. Now, I bet YOULL be up all NITE.

 

[jarhead]

Wrong again! I just consider the source, and get a good chuckle from an infantile rant. (No, YOU are not an infant, just your rant is). You will do far better in a discusion of ideas, if you can refrain from attempts at insulting personal attacks. People tend to consider the messenger, before they consider the message. This is just a FRIENDLY suggestion. Over and out.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Somebody please explain what the "Comair Pilots" did to annoy the Delta pilots!

Bill Buergey went to Comair's MEC and demanded preferential hiring and changes in Comair's long standing Company policy. The Comair MEC Chairman, who is an ALPA EVP said lets talk about our problems, like system scope.

The Delta MEC Chairman, annoyed that his open ended demands were not immediately obeyed and further angered by someone having dared to ask him to negotiate, stormed out of the negotiations and later threatened to "blackmail" the Comair MEC Chairman by making putting the issue out in public amongst his pilots.

The Delta pilots, eager to feed their grudge against the airline that gave birth to the RJDC took the ball and ran with it. It does not make much to make bigots more bigoted and a uppity Comair MEC Chairman who does not know his place is as good an excuse as any to feed that grudge.

The unwitting Comair pilots had no direct role in the talks (negotiations is not the word for it) and further, what is wrong with the Comair MEC Chair making the reasonable request that the MECs work together on scope problems that are effecting all of us.

As an ASA Captain who will likely be displaced due to outsourcing of Connection flying, I can certainly see the point the Comair MEC Chairman was making.

And no, I do not expect my employment at ASA to make any difference in the "who do you know who knows Chuck Broome" (sp?) game.