Delta/ASA?

[CRJ puppy]

Apparently so.

 

[kntrdr]

Don't forget about the redheaded stepchild of Delta Connection carriers....Chautauqua! (LOL) We do not make any furloughed major guys give up their seniority number and there is no training contract. It is my understanding that a few Delta (and United and American and TWA and....) have taken the opportunity. We are not currently hiring (today) but we are expected to begin hiring en masse very shortly. Rumor (I know the dreaded R word) has it over 100 a month, which is a TON for us. I know that ASA would be easier for many of you due to the ATL hub, but we are expecting DFW to open up in complement to MCO. Of course, if you want you can fly out of STL, LGA, PHL, RIC, GSO, BUF, CMH or IND as well! Not Delta Connection, but an airplane nonetheless. Good luck to all the furloughed Delta (and everywhere else) folks in your job search. Hopefully I will see some of you at CHQ. It really is a good place to work.

 

[General Lee]

I know there must have been some Comair people that disagreed with their MEC and managements decision to not over turn the rock solid rule of not being able to keep your seniority number, and unfortunately they didn't cause a wave to overturn that rule. It might have been a case of the senior pilots intimidating the junior ones, and I am sure they can describe that to the Delta interviewers in detail. Make sure you bring in an illustrated pie chart showing those who were "for" helping the furloughs, and those "against." Then make sure you tell the interviewer how "we at Delta" screwed you during your strike. That will really help. Ask the interviewer whether or not he "walked the line" for them in CVG during the strike.....Look, I am not saying that a Comair pilot will NOT be hired, but the interviewers will have to make the decision, and they will be briefed by a lot of people.

We are also aware that other airlines besides ASA have helped our pilots in their time of need, and Chataqua and recently Skywest have been helpful. Thank you for your support. Let's hope the rest of our furloughs come back soon, and all of the airlines get healthy again someday. And then, let the hiring begin.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Heavy Set]

Well said. Most of my friends at Delta would most definitely agree.

 

[FlyComAirJets]

Just like you guys did for the Eastern pilots, right?

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

No one is going to get descriminated against. People like the Gen and fat boy(heavy set) enjoy getting on here and making themselves feel important. It is quite comical if you ask me.

My Cousin has been with Delta 30 years, and I know several Delta pilots personally. A 20 year Delta pilot is also my life long friend. We went to grade school together. My neighbor is a Delta pilot. It is funny that NONE of these people agree with gens and fat boys (heavy set) opinion. These idiots are your typical kind who enjoy throwing their weight around in an attempt to scare junior pilots, and at the same time make themselves feel important.

My Cousin laughed. He said all Delta needs is more EOE law suits. Gen and Fat Boy, give it up. Your stripes are showing and you are just making fools of yourselves.


And one more thing Gen. If all the Delta pilots had put pressure on mgt. during our strike we might not of been kicked off your JS. And the Comair pilots who had interviews might not of had them cancelled.
Do not lecture us about support.

 

[Bill Mostellar]

When we were hiring (1996-2001), the key(s) to an interview were meeting the application requirements and having credible references from current Delta pilots. The testing determined if you advanced to the interview, which is where the decision to hire was made. This interview was typically conducted by a retired Delta pilot and one of the Pilot Employment Specialist (e.g. Glenn Brett).

Before we stopped hiring in 2001 (right after signing the contract...hmmm), HR was trying very hard to bring Pilot Hiring under their direct control, basically eliminating Plato Rhyne and the line pilots' influence. They saw no difference between hiring pilots, ramp workers, and accountants.

When we start hiring again, I imagine HR will again try to bring pilot hiring under their umbrella.

I wish you success!

 

[FlyComAirJets]

So I will ask the question again, why didn't any Eastern pilots get hired to fly the line? Couldn't they get "credible references from current Delta pilots?"

 

[General Lee]

Afellowaviator,

That's funny, when things were really bleak here 6 months ago, we couldn't find a Comair pilot that would ever consider going to Delta. As far as your friends who are Delta pilots, if they were asked the same question in the ATL crew lounge, they would answer it differently. Everyone that I have talked to, and that is probably more than your 4 Delta friends, has said, "Screw them." Everyone is aware of your "Drop the seniority number" policy and how it affected our pilots. As far as lawsuits etc, I am sure that a few sons and daughters of Delta pilots who are Comair pilots will make it through, and that should be enough to please the lawyers. As far as the regular Comair pilot with no ties, it might be tougher. You can bet that people like me will be calling down to the people in charge and even going to the GO to discuss how things will work. I bet they will listen to me, and many more. The interviewers will not only be HR people, that is ridiculous. There are plenty of now retired pilots (we had 281 retire 3 days ago) that have fresh memories. They will be the ones asking aviation questions, looking at logbooks, etc. and they are the only ones who can determine if certain aviation stories are true. The HR people just watch your body language---and the amount of sweat pouring from your head. (Some will have more than others) Our retired pilots will always have a say in who gets hired. When our last furlough--TBKANE--is back, I will find out what is happening with the eventual hiring, and I will see if I can volunteer helping out.
By the way, I really like the pilots at ASA and Chataqua. As far as the Eastern pilots getting on, I doubt any scabs got on, and the hiring process has changed since then. There has never been this much interest from the pilot group on who gets on, and that may influence a lot of things. Good luck to everyone.


Bye Bye--General Lee

PS---Afellowaviator---Heavy Set's info states he is furloughed, so try not to call him fat boy

 

[NYRANGERS]

Look, as far as hiring goes there will be a lot of input with regards to comair. As the General said, a year ago you couldn't find a comair pilot who wanted to work for Delta. Our MEC, as has been the case, will continue to get calls regarding the hiring of comair pilots. Remember, the request to have the comair pilots support (notice, I didn't say change the policy) the hiring of Delta guys w/o giving up their numbers came from our MEC, so our MEC is on top of the issue.

All that being said.......I don't really think there will be any acitve policy against comair...heck it's hard enough to get hired, I don't think having flown for comair will be any advantage though. I think our efforts will more closely focus on how to help the ASA guys. ( I know, I know, you nay sayers will now say......oh yea, you didn't help so and so......blah blah blah). Just wait and see, ASA's efforts on our behalf will be reciprocated.

There are many ways we could give a BIG leg up to the ASA guys to come over to Delta if they wish. It may take a little bargaining capital, but it's the least we can do.

Good luck to all,

NYR

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

Gen, your such an idiot. I sometimes think you actually believe this stuff you say. I guess you called Leo and told him about your "master plan". And I am sure he is fine with it. What's a few law suits. Delta has plenty of money. Good grief.

I noticed you did not comment on the lack of support we got when we were kicked off your JS and our pilots interviews were cancelled. I guess in your mind it is a one way street when dealing with us. That is what we got out of your Mr. Burgey.(spelling?)

Any Comair pilot who wants to fly at Delta will have just a good a chance as any other pilot. You know it, I know it.

Unless ofcourse, you come up with a "secret decoder ring" system or something. Then, we are in trouble. No, better yet, a "secret hand shake"", now that's an idea! It would be like the "skull & bones" society!

GET REAL.

 

[NYRANGERS]

Any Comair pilot who wants to fly at Delta will have just a good a chance as any other pilot. You know it, I know it.

Unless ofcourse, you come up with a "secret decoder ring" system or something. Then, we are in trouble. No, better yet, a "secret hand shake"", now that's an idea! It would be like the "skull & bones" society!

GET REAL.

How can you say this? I don't think there will be a ban on hiring comair pilots, but we could use the same reasoning management used (crm). All it would take is the "safety" word.

I know you may not have interviewed at Delta, but I'll tell you it is hard enough to get the interview. I'll tell you this...........................comming from comair sure as he11 won't be an advantage.

Like I have said before, I think we will focus our energies on helping ASA pilots. The interview is where we weed out pilots like you. Then when you don't get hired you can sue us. Good luck..

NYR

PS. Although we are talking about something that won't take place for some time, it is a refreshing argument. I am tired of the "other" subject. Let's beat this one to death.

 

[General Lee]

Afellowaviator,

Ok, wait one second. Let's look at your statement and review it:


"Gen, your such an idiot."

Does anyone else see anything wrong there? Careful who you call an idiot.

Lawsuits? Look at the demographics of Delta pre-9-11: We had 125 female pilots (compared to United's 1500) and a low percentage of minorities. I am not saying that we shouldn't have females and minorities, but Delta obviously doesn't care about the lawsuits like United does. I think more females and minorites should be hired, but I didn't do the hiring in the past. But, I will try to take an active roll in the future, and NY Rangers hit the nail on the head, being from Comair won't help your cause. I am sure there will be some hired eventually after all of the furloughs get back, but the interviewers will have some pre-hiring comments to listen to first. To say that they can't be biased before they interview is naive. And guess what? Leo doesn't care. But, our pilot group really does, and the recent retirees probably read the Dalpanet too. Good luck to everyone. Let's hope things really do get better and our furloughs return soon.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[bladeusa]

why dont u 1st worry about getting all the furloughes back.. then once DAL is actually are hiring.. ppl can start to be concerned about who and why... still have a long road ahead before any of that takes place.. quit putting the cart in front of the horse.. focus more on the task at hand.. get pillots back in the cockpit where they belong.. not home depot.

 

[General Lee]

Bladeusa,

Why don't you re-read all of my previous posts in this thread. I always state that AFTER WE GET THE FURLOUGHS BACK---we will then concentrate on this. My major priority has always been to get them back or just back into the cockpit. I don't want any of them to have to work at Home Depot if they don't want to.

Bye Bye--General Lee