DELTA and ASA What will happen?

[av8tor4239]

From what I have heard, Delta will or will not be walking on the 15th of April? Is this a hard date? If delta pilots do walk, will ASA continue to operate? I am suprised there is not more on the board about it....

Do you think their contract will be voided?

If it is voided and a strike occurs, will ASA still operate?

 

[79%N1]

The Airline careers of about 10,000-12,000 pilots will be over! Great, huh. Of course, maybe some of them can start over at the bottom at Mesa or CHQ.

 

["GO AROUND"]

15th is the date for a decision to void or not. Pilots can strike on or after the 17th.

Lets see, ASA only flys for DAL and if the pilots strike then no planes will fly for DAL. Clear enough?

If the contract is voided then the pilots will walk. It's all talk up until it happens and then it will be a shame for a lot of people. Not just pilots.

 

[ironspud]

15th is the date for a decision to void or not. Pilots can strike on or after the 17th.

Lets see, ASA only flys for DAL and if the pilots strike then no planes will fly for DAL. Clear enough?

If the contract is voided then the pilots will walk. It's all talk up until it happens and then it will be a shame for a lot of people. Not just pilots.

Will the ASA pilots honor the Delta pilots picket lines or fly struck work?

 

[ReportCanoa]

What would be considered struck work if this were to go down? I don't want to get called in to fly something without knowing the details. And no, our line pilots would absolutely not do it if it met the definition.
I'm sure management pilots would, however. Some heads-up from ALPA about this is in order, I think.

 

[captain caveman]

ASA is alpa. Struck work won't be flown as was the case when Comair was on stike.

 

[DrunkIrishman]

Ironspud-

YGTBSM! Yeah, we at ASA have first dibs on the Atlanta Moscow leg in the ATR. If Delta doesn't fly, we won't have the need to fly either since all that we do is feed them.

Next time come out and say what you really mean instead of asking that BS passive aggressive question.

 

[ReportCanoa]

ASA is alpa. Struck work won't be flown as was the case when Comair was on stike.

Exactly which flights were those? If they reschedule your crew in the middle of a trip to operate an ATL-JFK-ATL extra section and it is to depart within the hour, would you fly it?

 

[atrdriver]

Exactly which flights were those? If they reschedule your crew in the middle of a trip to operate an ATL-JFK-ATL extra section and it is to depart within the hour, would you fly it?

We would call the strike desk and find out if that flight is struck work. If it is, then no, we don't fly it. We have gone through this before...We didn't fly struck work then, and we won't now.

 

[Jack-O-Lantern]

Will the ASA pilots honor the Delta pilots picket lines or fly struck work?

Are you serious? We are two totally diferent airlines..... Just ask any Delta pilot............two years ago!

 

[goahead]

This should start a ******************** storm but I don't make $180,000 a year and have a family with a newborn, so I will do whatever pays the bills. You asked and I told you. Do you really think that the government will let DAL go tit's up........ All right flame away men.

 

[AVoiceOfReason]

The Delta pilots are still trying to prevent ASA and SKYW from flying 90 seaters that SKYW has on order. The Delta pilots wanted to be separate - now they have what they wanted. I will do what is best for me - not what is best for the Delta pilots.

 

[johnsonrod]

The Delta pilots are still trying to prevent ASA and SKYW from flying 90 seaters that SKYW has on order. The Delta pilots wanted to be separate - now they have what they wanted. I will do what is best for me - not what is best for the Delta pilots.

Truly pathetic... You are the reason wages are declining in this business. You simply don't have the ball$ to stand up and prevent exploitation... I fully support our DAL brothers - they are not going to allow management to push them around when the $150M difference between their two separate positions ($320M or so from Management and $130M or so from DAL pilots) will simply NOT determine the difference between life and death for Delta - THAT DIFFERENCE WILL NOT IMPACT DELTA'S ABILITY TO SURVIVE - DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?????? Why do so many people not understand that point? Delta's management has refused to negotiate with the pilots - right? Well, if things were so very desparate, wouldn't they negotiate? Any sane person would - unless things were not so very bad as they are portraying it... Just think about it. This is called exploitation and money grabbing. Sure, the company has lost a lot of money over the last few years - but things are improving throughout the industry - even the analysts agree that economic conditions and yields are likely to improve over the next few years (unless fuel costs continue to skyrocket and then every airline is toast). Again, the $150M difference will simply not make or break the airline despite the "spin" that DAL management has fed you - that's the point...

You need to grow a sack and stand up or instead be pushed around by money-suckers like Leo who will claim $18 million bonuses and bolt for their homes on Martha's Vineyard... Grow a sack or get out of this business... Same to you.

 

["GO AROUND"]

DAL managment wants what equates to 8 days of operating expenses for DAL.

I read that it costs DAL $14.6 billion a yr to run the company. That's 40 million a day. Times 8 days is $320 million.

Seems like a drop in the bucket of DAL's problems. Sounds more like managment trying to make the pilots the scape goats for DAL not surviving.

 

[goahead]

I agree that the money issue is very close and that's why I don't see a strike happening but are you kidding me that you would stand up for DAL and lose a paycheck forever so they don't have to take a pay cut ($100,00 is a ******************** load of money for working 18 days a month)? What about yourself, I'm not made out of money and I look forward to going to mainline or something like it someday but I will never starve a day in my life so some other pilot group can get paid more or make a point.

 

[Ultra Grump]

...I look forward to going to mainline or something like it someday...

If you're planning on flying struck work at ASA, you may as well go ahead and scab on over to Delta. You'll get your wish sooner rather than later.

 

[~~~^~~~]

My jet will fly on schedule. I will not fly any extra sections. I will not fly any flight which overflies Delta's operations. However, ASA will fly and continue to serve the passengers who have bought tickets on our flights and who have every reasonable expectation to get what they paid for.

I don;t anticipate Delta will ask us to fly struck work. They did not ask during the Comair strike. If they do, I'm sick, fatigued, or just not available.

 

[EatinRamen]

In contrast... I'll give up my current job at ASA, so that one day I can make what I deserve to be paid. I invested a lot to get into this profession, much like a doctor or lawyer, would have. I don't think it's right that management exploits pilots so that their profits margins benefit them and their investors.

Enough is enough. Making a living is getting harder and harder, and a paycut at Delta will eventually mean a paycut for us all. I support our Delta brothers and hope that we get out of this bankruptcy abuse soon.

 

[goahead]

If you're planning on flying struck work at ASA, you may as well go ahead and scab on over to Delta. You'll get your wish sooner rather than later.

Never said anything about struck work, didn't do it to Comair and won't do it to DAL, like ~~~~ guy said I'll serve the pax to the best of my ability and earn a paycheck as long as I can. We have a very pissed off pilot group here and if we stop working we need it to be for our ********************ty management and not for support of somebody else's anger.

 

[zawillif]

Well there are plenty of cities we both fly to. Take MEM or DAB. We do 2 or 3 flights and Delta mainline does the other 4 or 5. Seems like some gray area.

 

[DrunkIrishman]

The majority of the posters on this board seem to think ASA et al will still fly our regularly scheduled routes during a Delta strike, why? Our role as DCI is to feed mainline. If there is no mainline flying, who would any of us feed? All of us that fly DCI ought to be checking our savings accounts because we may be on vacation during all of this. Just a thought.

 

[gator_hater]

there are a lot of folks who connect trough ATL, SLC and CVG that never get on a mainline flight... (insert small city) to key west for example.

 

["GO AROUND"]

The ASA MEC has made it very clear to our managment that we will not fly struck routes or walk across the street and attend flight training to fly Delta Jets!

Skywest Inc. has said that they would probably stop our operations for a period of time, but are looking at other codeshares to pick up the slack.

So that would be a NO to flying struck work. There won't be any DCI flying for DAL if this happens.

 

[Mercyful Fate]

The majority of the posters on this board seem to think ASA et al will still fly our regularly scheduled routes during a Delta strike, why? Our role as DCI is to feed mainline. If there is no mainline flying, who would any of us feed? All of us that fly DCI ought to be checking our savings accounts because we may be on vacation during all of this. Just a thought.

Irishman, you are absolutely correct. If Delta isnt flying, what point is it to have DCI flying without feed to us, or to Delta. Plus there is that whole sticky area of flying struck work/routes. I dont think anyone wants to touch that with a 10 foot pole.

 

[Tomct]

:angryfireI am with our Delta Bro's and Sis's!! I am proud to be a part of the same union! Go get them folks! Delta mgmnt is going to blink FIRST!! I will NEVER fly STRUCK work!!!!!!!!

 

[THUGLIFE]

We need to back up our brothers at Delta! I personaly dont plan on flying regional my whole career. Grow some balls................... Your killing me.

 

[HarryParatestes]

:angryfireI am with our Delta Bro's and Sis's!! I am proud to be a part of the same union! Go get them folks! Delta mgmnt is going to blink FIRST!! I will NEVER fly STRUCK work!!!!!!!!

Kissing DAL's A$$ on the web aint going to get you a job. The BIG Boys at DAL will forget who you are after all is said and done. Don't fly "Struck work" and don't kiss another guys A$$ to get a job.

 

[blueridge71]

The Delta pilots are still trying to prevent ASA and SKYW from flying 90 seaters that SKYW has on order. The Delta pilots wanted to be separate - now they have what they wanted. I will do what is best for me - not what is best for the Delta pilots.

VoiceofReason and Goahead,

You guys might need to consider the long term view. If you don't mind staying at your current company forever, then it's easier to cross a picket line than if you think you might ever want to be hired by another ALPA carrier. I've heard that there are still captains who fly with the blacklist in their flight bags.

Additionally, I've heard that during the UAL strike, pilots who crossed the picket line had mysterious phone calls go to their spouses in which a woman claimed to be having an affair with their pilot husband. I believe that there was also some violence.

I'm not saying that is right or that it should happen or will happen, but it is a possibility that you have to consider.

 

[~~~^~~~]

ASA can't fly Delta's struck work. It is not an issue.

However, being a scab stopped being an issue at ALPA when Duane Woerth welcomed the Continental Scabs back into the union without a penny of back dues.

ALPA has done more to destroy the profession by enabling alter ego airlines (like Compass) while destroying other pilots' careers (like Mesaba & CC Air) than any group of job stealing scabs have ever done. ALPA has in effect sanctioned being a scab....

So, if you choose to be honorable, you are being honorable as a result of yor own moral Compass. ALPA's moral Compass is perfectly willing to run replacement workers in and watch your career be destroyed - how's that for ironic use of a pun?

I will not fly another ALAP member's struck work, but that decision is in spite of ALPA.

 

[Kerveball]

ok...we get the idea that ASA wont fly Delta's struck work. But I think the main question the original post was trying to ask is "Will ASA survive, furlough, or continue opertaions?" Thoughts?