Delta Air Lines Orders Up to 70 Bombardier CRJ900 NextGen Jetliners

[Jon Rivoli]

Skywest inc/Xjt doesn't need help financing the aircraft. Delta is buying these so they can give them to someone else who can't get that financing.....Otherwise no reason to carry that debt on their books

Mesa?:laugh:

 

[General Lee]

Economics are taking away the 50 seaters. Our PWA only slightly sped up the process. It would have only taken a couple more years to reach similar 50 seater levels at Delta without C2012. They got rid of the first 80 50 seaters without ordering a single additional large RJ.

I saw that 315 50 seaters had leases through 2015 and beyond. The leases kept them around despite the high oil costs. This expedites getting rid of them (Bombardier will take 60 in this deal). Had they stayed through 2015 due to the leases, there could have been circumstances that may have given management pause, to maybe do the mx checks and keep more of them. Instead, the number will decrease in number to 125. Get rid of 230 or so 50 seaters, add 70 76 seaters, then add 88 717s to fly current 76 seat routes. That is called a good deal.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Mesa?:laugh:

Maybe Gojets or PNCL? Whoever plays ball it looks like...


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Ops check good]

Read the facts. Tell me where it is bad? You must be disgruntled UAL or CAL. It took away RJs overall, added more mainline by far and will take back domestic routes, and that hopefully will lead to mainline hiring eventually.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Wrong.

 

[jonjuan]

How much Kool-aid can one guzzle

Not kool-aid he's guzzling, but rather yogurt flavored man juice.

 

[E120ASA]

Wrong.

Delta wants out of go-jets really bad. Sky west is waiting for the Cs/e190 or larger aircraft to use its capital on...... p-nickle reorganizing plan is with 50 seater's they do not even want to pay to put the xj 900,s on their certificate and this is pissing off the FAA, you go figure out what will happen....

 

[Explosive]

I saw that 315 50 seaters had leases through 2015 and beyond. The leases kept them around despite the high oil costs. This expedites getting rid of them (Bombardier will take 60 in this deal). Had they stayed through 2015 due to the leases, there could have been circumstances that may have given management pause, to maybe do the mx checks and keep more of them. Instead, the number will decrease in number to 125. Get rid of 230 or so 50 seaters, add 70 76 seaters, then add 88 717s to fly current 76 seat routes. That is called a good deal.



Bye Bye---General Lee

But you can't credit all of those RJ reductions to our contract 2012. ALPA was telling everyone that we were on the hook for more than 300 50 seaters through 2015 before the TA passed.

After it was ratified, Delta figured out a way to get down to 250ish 50 seaters without any help from our PWA. C2012 did not get rid of 230 50 seaters, it only got rid of 125 or so (60 from this deal). Adding 70 RJs back means a net reduction of only 55 or so that can be credited to this contract. Considering that the replacement RJs are dual-class on top of the industry leading 255 we already have, I don't agree that it was a good deal, as it relates to RJs.

 

[xjhawk]

Delta wants out of go-jets really bad. Sky west is waiting for the Cs/e190 or larger aircraft to use its capital on...... p-nickle reorganizing plan is with 50 seater's they do not even want to pay to put the xj 900,s on their certificate and this is pissing off the FAA, you go figure out what will happen....

You should obviously not post if you have no clue on what you are talking about. The XJ 900's operating manner/manual will be the base of all operations going forward-that being said they will take the good things of both airlines but will see most of the 900 POM FOM (the old 200 POM FOM) put into the old 9E crj 200 program. That being said, I am sure management has known that Delta's plan was to reduce the size of the 200 fleet-therefore why change the XJ 900 operation which is pretty rock solid when it comes to POM/FOM policies and procedures? Right from the CRJ fleet managers mouth came the phrase "they will be trying to mirror the 9E 200 program to match the XJ 900 so its a seamless transition."

 

[General Lee]

But you can't credit all of those RJ reductions to our contract 2012. ALPA was telling everyone that we were on the hook for more than 300 50 seaters through 2015 before the TA passed.

After it was ratified, Delta figured out a way to get down to 250ish 50 seaters without any help from our PWA. C2012 did not get rid of 230 50 seaters, it only got rid of 125 or so (60 from this deal). Adding 70 RJs back means a net reduction of only 55 or so that can be credited to this contract. Considering that the replacement RJs are dual-class on top of the industry leading 255 we already have, I don't agree that it was a good deal, as it relates to RJs.

Wait, without the deal, they couldn't get a NEW deal with Bombardier to take back 60 RJs early and replace them with 70 new CR9s. (the other 170 50 seaters will go away by parking or go to other airlines like ASA flying for UAL) A lot of things had to go right for this deal to look good, and that means dumping lots of RJs (over 200), adding 88 717s, better pay rates, and short contract duration. As far as dual class RJs go, if an RJ has to be on a route, a route that cannot be flown by a 717 because it is too small, I would want a two class RJ on there to get as much revenue as possible. The more revenue possible (a few first class tickets sold maybe), the better chance that RJ can pay for the gas on the leg, and maybe make profits for Mother Delta, giving us a shot at profit sharing. That is the end game here, making profits so the next contract adds more to the hourly pay.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[jetstream]

XJ is hiring 'em and training 'em as fast as we can and more than we need for the 12 900's we are getting now. What could that mean?