Delta Air Lines Orders Up to 70 Bombardier CRJ900 NextGen Jetliners

[Clutch]

XJ is hiring 'em and training 'em as fast as we can and more than we need for the 12 900's we are getting now. What could that mean?

Concessions.....???

 

[Oakum_Boy]

These will be shuffled around DCI every three-five years. Even if SKyW/XJT gets a few they'll be moved to GoJet or some other dirtbag outfit asap. SkyWest would be smart to avoid these musical airplanes and let their -200 leases expire as their time comes.

 

[SLUF4]

Very true, all expected. This was a part of the new contract. Delta mainline gets 88 717s from AT/SW, and DCI gets up to 70 new 76 seaters. If the 717s don't show up, then the 76 seaters can't show up either. Overall, more than 200 50 seaters will be parked, and originally over 300 had leases that extended into 2015. Now, there will be a total of 125 50 seaters. The outgoing 50 seaters will be replaced on their routes by 70 and 76 seaters to try to produce more revenue and help pay for the higher gas prices. The 717s will replace 76 seaters on some of their routes. Mainline will recapture a lot of DCI flying with those 717s, at good pay rates, and a ratio has also been established to increase mainline flying overall domestically. UAL's new TA has a ratio, but no plan to swap out 50 seaters. They want new 76 seaters, but again doesn't have an order for a "100 seater." They do have new pay rates for E190s, but they are very low.

Also, DL will be getting these CR9s, but they have not decided who will fly them all. That will be interesting to watch. Hopefully the incoming 717s will allow hiring for Regional pilots in the next couple years. 14 MD90s will also be coming next year, but they will replace some of the DC9s leaving the fleet by 2014.



Bye Bye---General Lee

Can you explain why in April 2012 Delta did this: "Delta has agreed to extend Pinnacle’s CRJ200 contract by four and a half years, which means it will be saddled with 145 50-seaters that it takes great pains to declare are uneconomical until 2022. " (copied this from an article) This was before our TA. Why would they suddenly decide to extend these contracts if they wanted to get rid of them? This was all in the master plan to extend these out so they could leverage them against us at mainline and pinnacle.

 

[HA25]

http://www.audriesaircraftanalysis.com/2012/12/01/delta-airlines-pilot-scope/

 

[JumpersAway]

There were three PCL CRJ 900's at A-Tech a couple of days ago- saw them there plain as day. I don't think they were there for storage either.

The training department is kicking into high gear, and apparently, quite a bit of training is expected in 2013. Flight attendant hiring at ExpressJet has also spooled up to a pretty agressive pace. Something that is being kicked around the GO, is dropping first year probationary pay. Apparently, this is an effort to recruit and retain pilots from PCL, should they liquidate. ExpressJet is looking to hire as many previously qualified CRJ pilots as possible.

Delta was rather displeased with our 200's going to American. Apparently, DAL tried to renegotiate the CRJ200 for CRJ700/900 swap, in order to keep the 200's in the DCI system in an effort to keep them away from American. However, SkyWest declined as the aircraft had already been commited to Dallas and American, contractually.

Apparently, MIA as an ExpressJet base was being looked at hard. However, a pretty good source has stated that there will be no MIA base for us. We will do an extensive amount of flying out of MIA, however. Another base is looming on the horizon for us though, with no location hinted at, other than that it will likely go VERY senior. I'm thinking this will have a lot to do with a perspective AA/USAirways merger.

Also, the questionaire that we completed is a guage of employee groups, to see whom is compatible with whom. There is some serious thought, by Inc. , of combining the LASA and SkyWest portions, and leaving legacy ExpressJet as a stand alone entity.

There is quite a bit of interesting happenings at SkyWest Inc., and I'd suspect this announcement has a lot to do with it. Time will tell............

 

[Monster Buck]

Delta wants out of go-jets really bad. Sky west is waiting for the Cs/e190 or larger aircraft to use its capital on...... p-nickle reorganizing plan is with 50 seater's they do not even want to pay to put the xj 900,s on their certificate and this is pissing off the FAA, you go figure out what will happen....

really......curious.....E190's huh..... how will that work as a DCI carrier?

 

[wms]

Delta wants out of go-jets really bad. Sky west is waiting for the Cs/e190 or larger aircraft to use its capital on...... p-nickle reorganizing plan is with 50 seater's they do not even want to pay to put the xj 900,s on their certificate and this is pissing off the FAA, you go figure out what will happen....

Actually the 100 mrj's agreed to with Mitsubishi. Planning meetings have already begun in sju.

 

[redflyer65]

Wait, without the deal, they couldn't get a NEW deal with Bombardier to take back 60 RJs early and replace them with 70 new CR9s. (the other 170 50 seaters will go away by parking or go to other airlines like ASA flying for UAL) A lot of things had to go right for this deal to look good, and that means dumping lots of RJs (over 200), adding 88 717s, better pay rates, and short contract duration. As far as dual class RJs go, if an RJ has to be on a route, a route that cannot be flown by a 717 because it is too small, I would want a two class RJ on there to get as much revenue as possible. The more revenue possible (a few first class tickets sold maybe), the better chance that RJ can pay for the gas on the leg, and maybe make profits for Mother Delta, giving us a shot at profit sharing. That is the end game here, making profits so the next contract adds more to the hourly pay.



Bye Bye---General Lee

Everyone needs to re-read this post. Delta told DALPA that this was a great deal to help get rid of CRJ200s. Paints the whole arguement as DALPA helping out with moving things forward.

The actual truth was Delta was looking at hundreds of millions of dollars to re-engine plenty of CRJ200s. DALPA bit on the payrate increases and the guise of 'helping out'.

DALPA had them over the barrel, and gave them a pass for more money. Same ole, same ole.

Now, planes that used to be flown by mainline (DC9-10), will now be flown by DCI for probably LESS than half of what mainline was getting. Very sad for the industry.

 

[joe_pilot]

Actually the 100 mrj's agreed to with Mitsubishi. Planning meetings have already begun in sju.

Whoa!! We're opening a San Juan Base for AA??

 

[wms]

Whoa!! We're opening a San Juan Base for AA??

Sorry, sgu.

 

[General Lee]

Everyone needs to re-read this post. Delta told DALPA that this was a great deal to help get rid of CRJ200s. Paints the whole arguement as DALPA helping out with moving things forward.

The actual truth was Delta was looking at hundreds of millions of dollars to re-engine plenty of CRJ200s. DALPA bit on the payrate increases and the guise of 'helping out'.

DALPA had them over the barrel, and gave them a pass for more money. Same ole, same ole.

Now, planes that used to be flown by mainline (DC9-10), will now be flown by DCI for probably LESS than half of what mainline was getting. Very sad for the industry.

You're right Red, people do need to RE-READ my posts. They are correct. Delta did know about the re-engining of the CRJ-200s, but there were also leases that had to remain through 2015 for over 300 of those things. Over 300. So, they probably would have had to keep them, and if they had to re-engine them, they may have wanted to keep them LONGER, which mainline pilots would NOT want. The time to get rid of them is NOW, not wait longer for something else to happen and keep them around for longer. Also, not getting rid of the RJs would have meant NOT getting the 717s, because getting rid of 200 plus 50 seaters NOW meant allowing 70 and 76 seaters to take over 50 seater routes, and then 717s to take over 76 seat routes. It was perfect, crafted mainly by a SWA guy doing "interesting" negotiating for SWA, and then supposedly was "talked to" by their big wigs. Thanks for the GREAT DEAL!

Overall, the DL contract wasn't perfect, but it did achieve many things in our favor. Better pay for a short duration contract, got rid of tons of 50 seaters and total RJs overall, and got 717s, which would NOT have come if all of the RJs stuck around. (too much capacity) Thanks SWA, for giving away the farm and paying for it too! Those 717s will RECAPTURE routes that were given away a decade ago, and they will pay well too! Merry Xmas!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[XPOO]

Also, the questionaire that we completed is a guage of employee groups, to see whom is compatible with whom. There is some serious thought, by Inc. , of combining the LASA and SkyWest portions, and leaving legacy ExpressJet as a stand alone entity.

There is quite a bit of interesting happenings at SkyWest Inc., and I'd suspect this announcement has a lot to do with it. Time will tell............

I'll say it again, until I see a new building being constructed here at headquarters, I'll continue to dismiss this heresay as complete fiction.

 

[Freebrd]

There is some serious thought, by Inc. , of combining the LASA and SkyWest portions, and leaving legacy ExpressJet as a stand alone entity.

Soooo will this combined airline be called ASA, Skywest or SureJet???

 

[ASADriver]

Also, the questionaire that we completed is a guage of employee groups, to see whom is compatible with whom. There is some serious thought, by Inc. , of combining the LASA and SkyWest portions, and leaving legacy ExpressJet as a stand alone entity.

Fine by me!

 

[nerjdriver]

Fine by me!

I remember when you clowns wanted to merge with SkyWest the first time around and they wanted nothing to do with you. I think you got the nickname "gaysa" for a reason.

 

[RJLoser]

Skywest will never merge with ASA or XJT.

 

[Monster Buck]

Everyone needs to re-read this post. Delta told DALPA that this was a great deal to help get rid of CRJ200s. Paints the whole arguement as DALPA helping out with moving things forward.

The actual truth was Delta was looking at hundreds of millions of dollars to re-engine plenty of CRJ200s. DALPA bit on the payrate increases and the guise of 'helping out'.

DALPA had them over the barrel, and gave them a pass for more money. Same ole, same ole.

Now, planes that used to be flown by mainline (DC9-10), will now be flown by DCI for probably LESS than half of what mainline was getting. Very sad for the industry.

You of all people should remember that the Dc-9-10 sat 78 people and rj's are held to 76.

 

[trip]

Fine by me!

Me too.
Can we get BH back?

 

[urflyingme?!]

I want to get hired at Delta just to figure out who Jenny Lee is, bid a trip with him, even if it means switching bases and equipment, and pull out and RJ model and place it on the dash on day 1. Then say SkyWest instead of Delta on the radio.

 

[Clutch]

Fine by me!

Fon bah mii! Derp