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Gidddeeeeeup DAL

Delta May Be a Big Boeing 787 Buyer

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times,Serif]Overseas-Growth Plan
Leads Carrier to Weigh
125 Long-Range Jets
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[FONT=times new roman,times,serif][FONT=times new roman,times,serif]By PAULO PRADA
June 19, 2007; Page A2
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Delta Air Lines Inc., in a sign of its resurgent financial strength and willingness to spend heavily as it expands outside the U.S., is likely to order as many as 125 of Boeing Co.'s new 787 jetliners by the end of this year, its operating chief said.
The order, still being negotiated as Delta mulls potential seat configurations for the planes and how much they could cost to operate and maintain, would be valued at an estimated $20 billion at list prices, although such orders normally carry steep discounts. The 125 would likely include options to buy planes as well as firm orders.

Delta also hasn't determined exactly how many 787s it will need to fulfill its international ambitions, but the Atlanta carrier is weighing "a massive order over a long period of time," Jim Whitehurst, Delta's chief operating officer, said in an interview. Executives at the second-largest U.S. carrier by stock-market value, after Southwest Airlines Co., expect the 787 to eventually replace 104 Boeing 767s now in Delta's fleet.
If Delta's plans remain on track, the order would be Boeing's largest yet for the 787 from a U.S. carrier. The 787 has sold strongly since Boeing began to market it, and the Chicago company has said it wants to move at a measured pace to avoid manufacturing snafus. Boeing says the plane is sold out till almost 2015 for newcomers, but airlines such as Delta that have options from previous years should be able to get limited numbers earlier.
A major purchase also would show how aggressively Delta is striving to grow now that it has emerged from a financial tailspin that forced it into bankruptcy proceedings in 2005. Since exiting from bankruptcy in April, Delta has been forging ahead with a strategy to limit its exposure to lackluster U.S. routes while ramping up in international markets where profit margins typically are higher.
To serve non-U.S. destinations better, though, Delta needs to increase the range of its fleet by making its airplanes more efficient and replacing its aging 767s, some dating back to the 1980s, with more-modern, longer-range aircraft. The long-range, twin-aisle 787 still is being developed by Boeing but is set to make its public debut next month. It is scheduled to go into service next May, when Boeing delivers its first 787 to Japan's All Nippon Airways.
A large plane order would help Delta make up for lost time while it was slashing debts and costs and reorganizing its route network during bankruptcy. Mr. Whitehurst said Delta must "make significant expenditures on systems that we frankly starved for the last several years."
In addition to new planes, Delta plans to spend an average of more than $1.2 billion a year through 2010 on aircraft refurbishments, new baggage-handling equipment, airport improvements, updated computer systems and other improvements.
Delta is expected to announce today that it will outfit more than 60 Boeing-made 737s, 757s and 767s in its fleet with winglets, which are wing-end attachments designed to save fuel. Already used by Continental Airlines Inc. and Southwest, winglets should help Delta fly aircraft longer distances while saving up to $25 million per year on fuel costs. The project is expected to cost about $50 million, based on industry prices.
Separately, Delta's board has instructed an executive-search firm to include outside candidates in its list of possible contenders to succeed Chief Executive Gerald Grinstein, who plans to retire as soon as the company's directors can find a successor. The move isn't seen as diminishing the prospects of Mr. Whitehurst and Ed Bastian, Delta's chief financial officer, who still are considered favorites to become CEO.
In 4 p.m. composite trading on the New York Stock Exchange, Delta was at $18.54, off 34 cents, and Boeing was at $97.40, off 75 cents.
 
That really is a lot of new planes. DAM.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
who is going to pay for them? will you take further paycuts to finance these jets? you remember, take the paycut to "get the airframes on the property." sound familiar?

on another note. Tiger just had his baby with his smokin swedish model wife...and datadata...it's a girl. let's just pray to god it looks like mommy.

Mookie
 
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Mookie - The 20% fuel savings and the removal of the lease obligations for the older aircraft make the 787 a "self financing" jet. This is why the order book for this "paper airplane" already exceeds 500 units. Also, Delta needs current generation equipment to grow and maintain their role as a market leader.

Open Skies may be seen as another round of deregulation where airlines fear that doing nothing means they get "locked out" or become merger targets.

I just re-read Comair / Delta Connections initial RJ order of 36 aircraft. At the end the number was, what, 500 plus in the DCI system? There will be more than 200 787's on the property eventually.
 
Mookie - The 20% fuel savings and the removal of the lease obligations for the older aircraft make the 787 a "self financing" jet. This is why the order book for this "paper airplane" already exceeds 500 units. Also, Delta needs current generation equipment to grow and maintain their role as a market leader.

Open Skies may be seen as another round of deregulation where airlines fear that doing nothing means they get "locked out" or become merger targets.

I agree the 787 is necessary in an open skies environment. So many carriers have them on order to not have any on order is putting your future profit at risk.

Self finance? I've heard that argument before and it only works if you are the only one with the equipment. Delta won't be the only one with the 787.
 
Mookie - The 20% fuel savings and the removal of the lease obligations for the older aircraft make the 787 a "self financing" jet. This is why the order book for this "paper airplane" already exceeds 500 units. Also, Delta needs current generation equipment to grow and maintain their role as a market leader.

Open Skies may be seen as another round of deregulation where airlines fear that doing nothing means they get "locked out" or become merger targets.

I just re-read Comair / Delta Connections initial RJ order of 36 aircraft. At the end the number was, what, 500 plus in the DCI system? There will be more than 200 787's on the property eventually.

wow...a post that actually makes sense, doesn't demean another pilot group, and is well thought out. well done. General...dont' know if you read anyone else's posts but yours, but take a look at the example above to see how to make a well reasoned statement.

well done Fins...

Mookie
 
For what to replace alot of your older airplanes and fall right back into debt. you go general!

Wow, you must be the only one who thought about that. Yikes. Someone call our management right now and tell them!!!!

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
wow...a post that actually makes sense, doesn't demean another pilot group, and is well thought out. well done. General...dont' know if you read anyone else's posts but yours, but take a look at the example above to see how to make a well reasoned statement.

well done Fins...

Mookie

Yes, well done fins. He did a great job of shooting down your inane response which again had no pre-thought to it.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Unless they generate substantial new pilot jobs (ie, growth, not replacement) and increased pay scales, any new jet, be it a 787, A350 or whatever, is just the Shiney Jet Syndrome for the enlarged prostate crowd.
 
Of course once this deal is consumated, they can take their spare chump change and buy B6? :laugh: Talk about digging a deeper hole. Should work out to be 50 firm and 75 options if they make it past 2015.

Just wait till Ryanair orders their 787's and starts flying them to Providence, FLL, and the rest of the airports with close proximety to major markets. Open Skys is a gas. Next round of Chapt 11...straight ahead. Just think....they'll soon to be flying 787s at todays ERJ rates.

:pimp:​
 
I am sure with Boeing and GE Capital owning a sizable chunk of DAL there will be some very good financing for the aircraft. DAL needs to do this to survive open skies as well as everyone else that is buying the 787. It is money that needs to be spend for viability for the next 20 to 30 years. Any one would tell you that. It is also the same reason that DAL, and AMR really do not want to buy a ton of the 737's They want to wait and spend their money on the E variant of the 737 that will be coming out in the next few years.
 
Yes, well done fins. He did a great job of shooting down your inane response which again had no pre-thought to it.

Like all of your posts?

Bye Bye--General Lee

So this plan is going to be better than Song?
 
Wow, you must be the only one who thought about that. Yikes. Someone call our management right now and tell them!!!!
Did you come up with that on your own? What do you think of the red dresses anyway. Makes your mom (that is who was in the crew van with you, right?) look like a tomato
Bye Bye--General Lee


So this plan is going to be better than Song?
 
So I take it the 787s (if this order surfaces) would replace all the aging 767-300 and 757s (if the guppy doesn't take over its job)?

-Paul
 
I've heard that Delta eventually wants to simplify fleet types down to three or four (probably over the next 15-20 years):

787, 777 and 737-7/8/9/X (any new version of the 737 to be developed) and a 100 seater (E195 or maybe even 737-600s to maintain continuity)

Watch the MD88/90s phased out over time. I am betting that the 757s and 767s all become freighters for Fedex, UPS and DHL over the same time period. I think the likelihood of phasing out a majority of the 50-seat CRJ/ERJ aircraft is strong with a limited number kept for non-competitive and ultra-thin routes to provide international feed. There will be plenty of lower-cost E170/CR9s flying in addition to the 100-seaters to ensure feed at the hubs. That seems to make sense from an operational perspective - Delta can only benefit from further reducing its fleet types going forward - that's money on the table...
 
There is still plenty of ramp space in the desert for those planes too.
They could buy tickets on you guys from Lubbock or El Paso if they park them near there. You guys are specialists in those areas of the Southwest. You must be proud.

 

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