Delat Int'l Jumpseat - The BIG question

[newlife1]

Does anyone know what is the exact procedure for other airline pilots to jumpseat on Delta International?

I couldn't make it on the flight today because of some 75 or 90 minute check-in rule .... Does this only apply when jumpseating on Delta to/from international destinations?

Is this an FAA or TSA rule? If so, what exactly is the rule?

Does it apply to other airlines?

Does it apply when coming back to the U.S. from another country?

Does it have to do with CASS or the way DL computers are configured?

Is listing as a non-rev required for international jumpseating?

Is there anything I should know about international jumpseating on Continental, United, Northwest and USAirways? Any input would be appreciated on these or any other airline. My airline is CASS and has a reciprocal j/s agreement with DL.

As far as I know this rule doesn't apply on United and USAirways because I've taken them before and check-in time was never a factor when travelling to an international destination. Is there a document I can access to read about international jumpseat rules/procedures on other airlines?

BTW, all DL employees were doing their best to get me on the flight today including the agents, supervisor and Captain. Thanks guys!

Thanks

 

[Ace75]

I believe its a TSA rule, they need a passenger list 90 minuts prior to the departure so they can check to see if your on their list of known terrorists.

It applies to all airlines not just Delta

Im not sure if it applies when coming back to the US but you shouldnt worry about that since it will probably take more than 90 minutes to get checked in and to pay your departure taxes.

CASS has nothing to do with international jumpseating except maybe the way you get listed, ie if they need to enter your passport number to check your CASS status.

Listing as a non-rev is not required, when you get to the ticket counter in the US, departing outbound, tell them you want to jumpseat and they will list you for that flight. if you know when your returing ask the person at the ticket counter to list you on the return flight, you should be able to pay your taxes right there and get a standby ticket so that you can just go straight to the gate when you return.

There are plenty of threads on this forum related to jumpseating internationally and on Delta, including "The Best International Jumpseat Thread Ever"
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=86407
which is just getting started but will probably get pretty big as time goes by.
I suggest you read all of those or call the TSA directly at 1-866-289-9673, you can also talk to them directly the next time your jumpseating, the supervisor on duty that day should know all of this Info

Well good luck and let us know how it all worked out, I'll be jumpseating on Delta internationally on Sunday and will post what I went through when I get back.

 

[newlife1]

I believe its a TSA rule, they need a passenger list 90 minuts prior to the departure so they can check to see if your on their list of known terrorists.

--->this doesn't make any sense because passengers sometimes check-in for their int'l trip within less than 90 minutes and it's not a problem.. why should it be a problem when it come to a j/s checking in 60 minutes prior at the gate??? Also at JFK last week they didn't tell me it was 90 minutes prior but 75.. Which one is it?????

It applies to all airlines not just Delta

--->this is not true or at least other airlines don't enforce this rule. I jumpseated to SJO last month on US and checked-in at the ticket counter about 30 minutes prior to departure. Another time I also checked-in for a UA flight to HKG within 30 minutes of departure time. I also checked-in for a DL int'l flight about 2 months ago at the gate within 1 hour of departure and no one seemed to care... It seems that it's all about who's working the flight that day.

Im not sure if it applies when coming back to the US but you shouldnt worry about that since it will probably take more than 90 minutes to get checked in and to pay your departure taxes.

CASS has nothing to do with international jumpseating except maybe the way you get listed, ie if they need to enter your passport number to check your CASS status.

--->yeap, I know CASS doesn't apply for int'l travel as there has to be an open seat in the cabin but I think some airlines use their CASS systems to verify eligibility to ride under the jumpseat status (not physically occupying the j/s)

Listing as a non-rev is not required, when you get to the ticket counter in the US, departing outbound, tell them you want to jumpseat and they will list you for that flight. if you know when your returing ask the person at the ticket counter to list you on the return flight, you should be able to pay your taxes right there and get a standby ticket so that you can just go straight to the gate when you return.

There are plenty of threads on this forum related to jumpseating internationally and on Delta, including "The Best International Jumpseat Thread Ever"
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=86407
which is just getting started but will probably get pretty big as time goes by.
I suggest you read all of those or call the TSA directly at 1-866-289-9673, you can also talk to them directly the next time your jumpseating, the supervisor on duty that day should know all of this Info

--->I've read every single thread there is on j/s on flightinfo.com and most of the postings have been very helpful. The thread you mention above is ok but not very specific for certain carriers. TSA is always clueless.

Well good luck and let us know how it all worked out, I'll be jumpseating on Delta internationally on Sunday and will post what I went through when I get back.

--->Have a good trip and do post your experience and whatever you found out when you get back.

 

[Ace75]

Well im back from my trip and as promised here is what happened:

I took a Delta flight from JFK to BUD(Budapest), went to the international departures ticketing at JFK(when you get inside the terminal make the first left) and asked to jumpseat. You cant get through security there because you need a pass from the counter. There was no one on line at about 4pm that day and the guy at the counter was knowledgable and very friendly.

I told him that my airline wasn't CASS and it wasnt a problem at all to get listed, just needed my company ID and passport. i received a paper itinerary from him with an open ticket for the return flight. It was just like any other paper ticket except it listed the booking class as JSA. I also had to pay the tax for the return flight which came to $40, they take cash but bring exact change.

I was in full uniform for the flight, arrived about 2 1/2 hours before departure and proceded to the gate. When i checked in at the gate it was all pretty standard, the gate agent told me to come see him 45 minutes before departure time for a seat and i got a nice aisle seat in the middle row of the 767-300ER, the other 2 seats in the row were empty. Before I boarded the agent collecting the boarding passes needed to enter my airline and employee number into some verification system at his computer. This was after I had received my boarding pass with a seat assignment on it.

On the return flight i showed up very early before the ticket counter had even opened, again in full uniform. When it did open,i was greeted by a local airport agent who proceeded to ask me questions about my carry on, the usual, who packed it, whats inside, etc...When I told her that I had toiletry items she said that I would have to get rid of them if they were not in a plastic bag and contained more than 90ml per package. I told her that flight crew were allowed to bring these items when travelling and after speaking to her supervisor she told me that only crewmembers on duty are allowed and that this was the TSA regulation. Not wanting to bother with the can of deodorant or the shaving cream I left them with my friends, and went to go check in.

At the counter the agent saw my ticket and needed to call his supervisor in order to get me listed, it took about 15 minutes and I was on my way. In line at security I did not need to present my boarding pass, flight crew in uniform can go through without one. The gate had my seat ready and before boarding the aircraft there was another security checkpoint with x-rays and airport security agents looking for liquids. I didnt need to run my bag through the x-ray but they did open it and inspect it, then I got on the plane went to sleep and woke up somewhere over Canada, it was a nice flight.

Hope this answers some of you questions and I definitley need to thank the Delta gate agents, pilots and flight attendants for being so nice and helping me get on, it was a piece of cake from beginning to end and they couldnt have made it easier for me. Thanks guys!