Decertify Union - Can ALPA Help?

[Axel]

What a sea of noise.

 

[Filkster]

There is so much wrong information in the above post that I don't even know where to begin. Basically, every word is wrong. Just ignore it.

What is wrong? That anyone working for ALPA is paid from the dues of ALPA members?

That ALPA employs people to recruit ALPA members and help pilot groups become ALPA dues paying members?

That U pilots were paying ALPA about $11 million per year?

So what is wrong with it?

RF

 

[PCL_128]

What is wrong? That anyone working for ALPA is paid from the dues of ALPA members?

Regional pilot groups provide less dues revenue than their own annual expenses. That means that no regional pilot group is actually paying a dime for the National Officers, the staff, lobbying, etc... It all comes from the excess revenue produced by the legacy carriers.

That ALPA employs people to recruit ALPA members and help pilot groups become ALPA dues paying members?

ALPA does have staffers that do organizing work, but it's only a small part of what they do. There are no dedicated "recruiters" employed by ALPA. In addition, your absurd figure of $250k for these staffers is way off the mark. Organizing activities are handled by pilot volunteers and staffers from the Communications Department. No one in the Comm Dept makes anywhere close to that salary, even the managers. Try under $100k. Well under $100k.

That U pilots were paying ALPA about $11 million per year?

You said that ALPA is $11 million short. You fail to take into account that the $11 million in dues revenue from AAA/AWA partly went towards their own expenses. When taking into account all of their SPC activities and contract negotiations costs, they both probably cost the Association somewhere in the neighborhood of $7 million per year combined. After they left, those expenses disappeared, meaning that the shortfall is only about $4 million, far short of the $11 million that you claimed. In addition, ALPA has furloughed 50+ staffers since they lost the AAA/AWA groups and reduced MEC budgets to contain costs, bringing the shortfall even lower. We're probably looking at somewhere in the few hundred thousand dollar range.

So what is wrong with it?

Like I said, just about everything. But thanks for playing.

 

[Filkster]

Regional pilot groups provide less dues revenue than their own annual expenses. That means that no regional pilot group is actually paying a dime for the National Officers, the staff, lobbying, etc... It all comes from the excess revenue produced by the legacy carriers.

I guess you have point, but with ALPA now representing more regional pilots than legacy pilots than ALPA is upside down financially. So organizing a commuter airline would be a financial drain on ALPA. Hmmm I see. So losing the dues from U must have precipitated some changes at national anyway.

I won't go into the rest since you seem to give info, right and wrong in one direction.

How very dismissive. I am done, if you still insist that ALPA national grows money on trees than go ahead. I am going to find something more interesting to do than read your posts. Which would be to do just about anything.

Thanks for the reply.
RF