Dear D'angelo:

[D'Angelo]

Well done D' angelhoe. You have shown us all that you are in fact not a pilot and most likely a scumbag lawyer or management puke. You may have just barely rolled over the 50.75% of the weak minded Comair Pilots and now you think you are quite the man. Sorry to burst your bubble but everybody is wiseing up to the fact that management has gone to far and is abuseing the bankruptcy laws. The federal BK judges are in total agreement with this so go crawl back under your rock now dipsh1t.

Maybe it's time for another screen name to promote your drivel.

HS

Way too much credit here way too much credit. I really am flattered though. dont forget the NWA pilots voted to save their career too. I only had one vote at comair. The majority of the pilots agreed with me. Pilots have abused the liberal RLA laws far too long. They have held many a hostage with their outlandish demands. Guess what goes around comes around. Luckily I set right in the middle and therefore come out unscathed. Its refreshing to see pilots all around the country are realizing they have been decieved by the union and the union is there for one thing only. UNION DUES.

Sure the union cloaks themselves in the name of making you millionaires and safety but their bottom line is always the money. They are a buisness just like the airlines we work for. Gosh thats quite a paradox isnt it? If ALPO is also management arent you also supposed to hate management? Dont worry HS the Delta pilots will also vote to save their careers. As soon as the FAs are dealt with here at comair ill still be livin it up! Then when Delta pilots vote to save their job its smooth sailing from there. I know that angers you guys because you came into this career with illusions of being millionaires and making 200k/year. Our dreams have all been shattered and its time to pick up the pieces. Luckily ive figured out how to live like a king on a combined salary of just below 100k/year. You guys really need to talk to some financial planners your spending is apparently out of control.

 

[D'Angelo]

You are the only person I have ever met who doesn't want to make more money. Were you dropped on your head as a child?

Everyone wants to make more money. Hell id love to win the lottery tomorrow and retire and really live it up and be set for the rest of my life. Hell id love to make 500k a year working 10 days/month flying 3 leg day s. I am a realist however. We all knew the risks of the buisness coming in. If you didnt know that there were down turns and not everyone makes it to the top then shame on you! I dont know of anyone who doesnt want to make more however its all about being happy with making good money livin a good lifestyle. If you have those 2 things then theres really nothing to complain about. Besides the more you make the more you waste on magazines.

 

[kmox29]

Luckily ive figured out how to live like a king on a combined salary of just below 100k/year.

I thought you lived in a Condo...

ps - Don't be hatin' on punctuation marks...try 'em sometime...you may like 'em.

 

[D'Angelo]

I thought you lived in a Condo...

ps - Don't be hatin' on punctuation marks...try 'em sometime...you may like 'em.

I live in a condo and I am livin like a king. Steak and lobster for dinner every week. Good wine and other cocktails. No yard work. Home owner assoc to take care of quite a few mx issues. Nice view, great city. Whats not to like im livin it up my friend!!! Oh wait thats right I guess im supposed to be living like a slob. Sorry to disappoint sucka!!!!

 

[kmox29]

Whats not to like im livin it up my friend!!! Oh wait thats right I guess im supposed to be living like a slob. Sorry to disappoint sucka!!!!

Please post where I said what you should be living like.

It's only I have never heard of a King living in a condo. Your steak and lobster dinners don't disappoint me D'Angelo. It's your acceptance of whatever management wants to pay you that's troubling. You are the perfect employee. One who does whatever someone asks for whataver someone will pay you.

You can try and justify it all you want. Pointing at market driven wages, forced Unionism, the evil Union "lies", the fact that a CRJ and 50K is all your worth, etc. I'm worth more than that. Wages should correlate with experience, skill, training, and responsibility. According to you, an Arby's manager salary is what your experience, skill, training, and responsibility are worth.

ps - I'd like curly fries with that

pps - Why iz you an apostrophe hater?

 

[D'Angelo]

Please post where I said what you should be living like.

It's only I have never heard of a King living in a condo. Your steak and lobster dinners don't disappoint me D'Angelo. It's your acceptance of whatever management wants to pay you that's troubling. You are the perfect employee. One who does whatever someone asks for whataver someone will pay you.

You can try and justify it all you want. Pointing at market driven wages, forced Unionism, the evil Union "lies", the fact that a CRJ and 50K is all your worth, etc. I'm worth more than that. Wages should correlate with experience, skill, training, and responsibility. According to you, an Arby's manager salary is what your experience, skill, training, and responsibility are worth.

ps - I'd like curly fries with that

pps - Why iz you an apostrophe hater?

You also seem to forget im an RJ FO!!! Thats right FO. I do not sign for the aircraft therefore I do not command a captain salary. As soon as I upgrade I will really be living it up! Sorry my friend but that's why we have a captain and an FO scale. As FOs we "learn the ropes" then as captains we make the dollas and live it up! So once im a captain I make a lot more than those saps at Arby's ever will. Until you pass the upgrade your a captain and training and therefore are unable to command the captains wages. Besides why on earth would you want to sit in a nasty smelling hot fast food joint working many hours a week(a lot of store managers have to work over 40 hrs a week).

As an airline pilot i work a helluva lot less. It DOES NOT MATTER what training you went through. IT DOES NOT MATTER that you go to medical checks every year or 6 months. IT DOES NOT MATTER that you go through PCs every 6 or 12 months. IT DOES NOT MATTER whatever you endured to get the job. You made the CHOICE to endure all that to get a shot at the big times. Now your just mad because your union is leading your job into the shredder and you may have to start all over. If every job paid on personal hells people have to endure to get there would be a lot more millionaires in this world.

 

[kc1]

In all respect, how can anybody in the airlines be totally non-union, if they are thinking in their best interest. Market forces would have lots of 20 somethings flying 757's, 767's etc. for $20/hr. first year toppping out at $80/year or something as senior captains. All of the pilots at the majors who invested their lives into this career would probably be out of jobs or making much less. Unions are the only defense against that crap. If we let market forces prevail then this profession is going down the tubes, which may be inevitable.

 

[D'Angelo]

In all respect, how can anybody in the airlines be totally non-union, if they are thinking in their best interest. Market forces would have lots of 20 somethings flying 757's, 767's etc. for $20/hr. first year toppping out at $80/year or something as senior captains. All of the pilots at the majors who invested their lives into this career would probably be out of jobs or making much less. Unions are the only defense against that crap. If we let market forces prevail then this profession is going down the tubes, which may be inevitable.

The problem with unions is they try and set wages artificially high. They use their hostage taking skills to ruin careers. Look at how many former union jobs have been outsourced. If we allow the union to keep getting too unreasonable the next thing we could see is cabotage, open skies. That is a worst case scenario and then the outsourcing could begin. Let us not let the union destroy another good career.

 

[kc1]

The problem with unions is they try and set wages artificially high. They use their hostage taking skills to ruin careers. Look at how many former union jobs have been outsourced. If we allow the union to keep getting too unreasonable the next thing we could see is cabotage, open skies. That is a worst case scenario and then the outsourcing could begin. Let us not let the union destroy another good career.

I do agree that in many cases, unions artifically set wages ridiculously high. I also agree that we must be critical of our unions, but they are really our last hope in keeping this a good career.
It's obvious that the only barrier to entry in this industry is the money to finance flight training, so the supply of pilots is just huge. Experience doesn't count for what it used to. Whether it be outsourcing to other countries or finding clueless young kids here in the US, management will find ways to get the cheapest labor (especially with high fuel costs). Our last hope against downward pressure on wages is our unions.
Plus, I think we deserve decent compensation for what we do. While it is a sweet job, there is a lot of sacrifice involved in time away from home and paying dues. For the amount of time most of us spend every month in hotels and away from home, we are compensated very poorly compared to other traveling careers. We deserve more. And pilots at majors who spent their entire lives working up the career ladder sacrificing many things deserve more. To be away from home 1/3 to 1/2 of the month, and to shoulder the responsibility of hundreds of lives and millions (probably billions) of dollars of financial liability deserves compensation comparable to other high paying professions.
Yes it's usually not difficult, yes it's a somewhat fun job, but we do deserve alot for the above mentioned reasons.
If you get rid of unions and let market forces prevail, we will not be compensated enough to call this a "good career". We need unions, but we also need to keep them reasonable and try to change them for the better.

 

[kmox29]

As an airline pilot i work a helluva lot less.

Really? How many hours do you spend away from home per week?

It DOES NOT MATTER what training you went through. IT DOES NOT MATTER that you go to medical checks every year or 6 months. IT DOES NOT MATTER that you go through PCs every 6 or 12 months. IT DOES NOT MATTER whatever you endured to get the job. You made the CHOICE to endure all that to get a shot at the big times. Now your just mad because your union is leading your job into the shredder and you may have to start all over. If every job paid on personal hells people have to endure to get there would be a lot more millionaires in this world.

The company is leading my job into the shredder, not the union. My management knows that there are 1,000s of D'Angelo types out there. Also, I won't have to start all over because I'm getting out.

By the way, I never whined about PC's, medicals, or what I endured to get the job. My point was training, experience, skill, and responsibility.

Lastly, please don't call me your friend. As my profession goes, people like you are my enemy.

 

[D'Angelo]

Really? How many hours do you spend away from home per week?



The company is leading my job into the shredder, not the union. My management knows that there are 1,000s of D'Angelo types out there. Also, I won't have to start all over because I'm getting out.

By the way, I never whined about PC's, medicals, or what I endured to get the job. My point was training, experience, skill, and responsibility.

Lastly, please don't call me your friend. As my profession goes, people like you are my enemy.

TAFB varies however somewhere in the mid 200 range depending on open time etc. The thing is that most of that time is not spent working. A lot of it is spent on overnights. That is not work thats what we call livin it up. Exploring new places meeting new faces. We are also paid to go have a nice meal on the overnights. We all knew that coming in yes the TAFB can be high however the actual amount of WORK is low. We all knew that we have a high TAFB however we make up for that by having many days off usally 15-16 days off. If you trade things around it can be even more. The more senior you get the lower your TAFB gets unless you commute then it will stay higher always. The commuting part is optional. So basically the Arbys manager gets 8 full days off in a month, once in a while less if he has to cover for someone that quits. I get 16 full days off along with some partial days when my trips end early or in the afternoon and when they start a little later. The arbys man spends the rest of the month at work with some partial time at home. In other words it nearly evens out. Especially as senority grows.

 

[kmox29]

TAFB varies however somewhere in the mid 200 range depending on open time etc. The thing is that most of that time is not spent working. A lot of it is spent on overnights. That is not work thats what we call livin it up.

D'Angelo, thank you for making me laugh. I would try and explain to you how sad that is, but you'd probably start spewing some anti-union junk or give me some dream job scenario. Anyhow, I have to assume you are very new to Comair as all of those "new" places you get to "explore" will get very old after your 50th overnight there.

 

[D'Angelo]

D'Angelo, thank you for making me laugh. I would try and explain to you how sad that is, but you'd probably start spewing some anti-union junk or give me some dream job scenario. Anyhow, I have to assume you are very new to Comair as all of those "new" places you get to "explore" will get very old after your 50th overnight there.

New my friend? Fraid not coming up on year # 4 sometime soon. Theres always something new to explore on an overnight or someone new to meet. I take it your a slam clicker. Lets be real here sitting by the pool in the spring or summer is not WORK. Taking a bike ride or walk through town is not WORK. We all knew we do what we call overnights in the airline buisness. If you didnt wanna do overnights shouldve chose something different. Out of curiousity if you are leaving the buisness what are your future endeavors?

 

[D'Angelo]

Also on a side note lets take the arbys argument. They usually work about 50 hours a week. The hours vary however to get all the tasks they need to done they usually work 50 hours a week. Sometimes more sometimes less. So lets just say 50 hours a week, 4 weeks a month that equals 200 hours away from home. Only 8 full days at home per month. Now take our job some where around 250 hours away give or take. Some as high as the 300s some lower than 200. You get for the most part more pay, more days off and not much more time away. oh im sorry I was supposed to type the life of an arbys man is so much better than a pilots.

 

[kmox29]

New my friend?

Again, not your friend. So you know, using the term "my friend" they way you do is very condenscending. It does nothing but make you look foolish.

Theres always something new to explore on an overnight or someone new to meet. I take it your a slam clicker. Lets be real here sitting by the pool in the spring or summer is not WORK. Taking a bike ride or walk through town is not WORK. We all knew we do what we call overnights in the airline buisness. If you didnt wanna do overnights shouldve chose something different.

Why do you presume to know so much about me? Ask the people I work with if you think I'm a slam clicker. I'm sure your stereotype of me might change.

How can you be upset when people call you names or rearrange your screen name when you heap generalization upon generalization upon me?

Out of curiousity if you are leaving the buisness what are your future endeavors?

Much brighter than this industry. I'm taking no pay cut, I get every weekend, every holiday off, starting with 3 weeks vacation when I want (no F-ing cancellation either), working for a company that actually cares for its employees, etc. I will be very much involved in aviation, computers, and simulation.

Soooo, I ask you please use punctuation and grammer (your and you're) and most of all stop stereotyping me.

 

[Dodge]

This D'Angelo guy is great. Thanks, man for the entertainment. Whenever I get to feeling blue and thinking my life sucks.......I just read some this kind of dialogue for a real pick me up.

Too bad he is so junior at Comair. He would of been the first in line to get hired there with a sack of 10,000 one dollar bills. Comair really missed the boat on this guy. Hopefully SWA and HP can profit off of him someday.

Keep up the good work!!!

 

[D'Angelo]

Again, not your friend. So you know, using the term "my friend" they way you do is very condenscending. It does nothing but make you look foolish.



Why do you presume to know so much about me? Ask the people I work with if you think I'm a slam clicker. I'm sure your stereotype of me might change.

How can you be upset when people call you names or rearrange your screen name when you heap generalization upon generalization upon me?



Much brighter than this industry. I'm taking no pay cut, I get every weekend, every holiday off, starting with 3 weeks vacation when I want (no F-ing cancellation either), working for a company that actually cares for its employees, etc. I will be very much involved in aviation, computers, and simulation.

Soooo, I ask you please use punctuation and grammer (your and you're) and most of all stop stereotyping me.

Hey thats great see the system really does work. You dont like the pay or lifestyle and you leave, get a better job and lifestyle that suits your needs. Everyones a winner in the end :beer: I said I take it you are a slam clicker I didnt say you were a slam clicker. Just guestimating but obviously i made a wrong guess. If enough people were unhappy more would be exiting the industy stage left and wages would have to go up. The best attrition to have is captain attrition then upgrade falls lower and you make the dollas quicker. Good luck to mesaba guys may they do what it takes to save their jobs and not follow the union off the cliff!!

 

[doh]

TAFB varies however somewhere in the mid 200 range depending on open time etc. The thing is that most of that time is not spent working. A lot of it is spent on overnights. That is not work thats what we call livin it up. Exploring new places meeting new faces. We are also paid to go have a nice meal on the overnights. We all knew that coming in yes the TAFB can be high however the actual amount of WORK is low. We all knew that we have a high TAFB however we make up for that by having many days off usally 15-16 days off. If you trade things around it can be even more. The more senior you get the lower your TAFB gets unless you commute then it will stay higher always. The commuting part is optional. So basically the Arbys manager gets 8 full days off in a month, once in a while less if he has to cover for someone that quits. I get 16 full days off along with some partial days when my trips end early or in the afternoon and when they start a little later. The arbys man spends the rest of the month at work with some partial time at home. In other words it nearly evens out. Especially as senority grows.

Now you are lying! Very, very FEW Comair pilots get 15 days a month off! You are engaged in the same type of lie management always tell. If one pilot gets paid $200,000, management says pilots make $200,000. Same with days off. The average days off at Comair is 12! D'oosch.

 

[John Pennekamp]

New my friend? Fraid not coming up on year # 4 sometime soon. Theres always something new to explore on an overnight or someone new to meet. I take it your a slam clicker. Lets be real here sitting by the pool in the spring or summer is not WORK. Taking a bike ride or walk through town is not WORK. We all knew we do what we call overnights in the airline buisness. If you didnt wanna do overnights shouldve chose something different. Out of curiousity if you are leaving the buisness what are your future endeavors?

Listen here, boy, 4 years 'aint horse crap. When you got 20 years in this industry, then you can act like you've got a clue!

When you gonna resign? Or will you just keep ignoring the argument you don't have a comeback to?

 

[737 Pylt]

Listen here, boy, 4 years 'aint horse crap. When you got 20 years in this industry, then you can act like you've got a clue!

When you gonna resign? Or will you just keep ignoring the argument you don't have a comeback to?

He's not gonna resign....He's working on his f/a skills, so when they walk, he can walk right in a scab their work, because that's all he is....A SCAB!!!!!!!!!!
737

 

[Dodge]

4 years of seniority. Yeah.......I'm not new. What a joke. You would be getting your furlough notice at Mesaba in about a week. Of course, that would be good news for you. One less union worker holding back a thriving airline.

 

[D'Angelo]

Now you are lying! Very, very FEW Comair pilots get 15 days a month off! You are engaged in the same type of lie management always tell. If one pilot gets paid $200,000, management says pilots make $200,000. Same with days off. The average days off at Comair is 12! D'oosch.

Ha lies fraid not. Ive been pulling 15 off lately. You can spew whatever lies you will however its been happening. Good bidding or sometimes creative trading etc. Its doable my friend. Its doable.

Hey John ive already answered your request. I told you im currently working on that. Im teaming up with the NRTW foundation and we are goign to begin a quest to rid the RLA of the forced fees part of it. Thats right let the games begin! Better run ALPO, its simply unconstitutional to force someone to pay for an organization who donates money to things you do not believe it. The days of forced dues are coming to an end. It will take time but if successful these will be exciting new times. Don't worry anyone who wants to remain a member will not be affected in the slighest. However anyone who wishes to give the union nothing will no longer be forced to!!!! If i am going to have to pay fees I might as well pay the dues and retain my voting rights. You would just love for a rational voter to quit though wouldnt you? One less person that will vote whats best for him not whats best for the unappricative vocal minority.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

This clown just posts the crap that he does to get all of you stirred up. Now he has a thread named after him. Why do you people like to feed the trolls?

 

[doh]

Ha lies fraid not. Ive been pulling 15 off lately. You can spew whatever lies you will however its been happening. Good bidding or sometimes creative trading etc. Its doable my friend. Its doable.

I too, am not your friend. And for the vast majority, 12 days off is the MAXIMUM because your management butt buddies build 4 day trips worth 8 hours. Okay D'oosch, spin that as being the union's fault, because they build the trips, right? (In best Napoleon Dynamite voice) "Idiot"!uke:

 

[John Pennekamp]

Hey John ive already answered your request. I told you im currently working on that. Im teaming up with the NRTW foundation and we are goign to begin a quest to rid the RLA of the forced fees part of it. Thats right let the games begin! Better run ALPO, its simply unconstitutional to force someone to pay for an organization who donates money to things you do not believe it. The days of forced dues are coming to an end. It will take time but if successful these will be exciting new times. Don't worry anyone who wants to remain a member will not be affected in the slighest. However anyone who wishes to give the union nothing will no longer be forced to!!!! If i am going to have to pay fees I might as well pay the dues and retain my voting rights. You would just love for a rational voter to quit though wouldnt you? One less person that will vote whats best for him not whats best for the unappricative vocal minority.

Oh im sure youd just love that, you want as many logical voters gone as possible so you can push your union anger agenda. Sorry ive got a plan and im sticking to it. The forced dues issue will be brought to light some day. Im working with the NRTW and we agree forced fees are as bad as forced dues and therefore unconstitutional. Will a judge buy it? Only time will tell.

ALPA has been there, done that, and beaten bigger twirps than you. I think I saw you at my house yesterday... right before I flushed. Good bye D'Angelo.

 

[D'Angelo]

We will see what the future holds. We are definately starting to shift the momentum in favor of getting rid of the forced dues. Its just a matter of time. ALPO can run but they cant hide. If they really "had a set" they wouldnt charge the mx fee. If their union was so great they wouldnt need to force fees.

 

[D'Angelo]

Ha lies fraid not. Ive been pulling 15 off lately. You can spew whatever lies you will however its been happening. Good bidding or sometimes creative trading etc. Its doable my friend. Its doable.

I too, am not your friend. And for the vast majority, 12 days off is the MAXIMUM because your management butt buddies build 4 day trips worth 8 hours. Okay D'oosch, spin that as being the union's fault, because they build the trips, right? (In best Napoleon Dynamite voice) "Idiot"!uke:

Never said that was the unions fault. The pairings do suck because delta is always messing around with our schedule. Better to have more lineholders than a bunch of people sitting around doing nothing on reserve. When someone on reserve isnt working at all and getting paid guarantee anyway you might as well work em. If you think management is building 4day trips with 8 hours just to high five each other and say yeaaaaaaaaaaaargh! we got the pilots then you have a paranoia problem as well. No worries though your probably enjoying life after cmr by now. See the system works!!!! :beer:

 

[737 Pylt]

We will see what the future holds. We are definately starting to shift the momentum in favor of getting rid of the forced dues. Its just a matter of time. ALPO can run but they cant hide. If they really "had a set" they wouldnt charge the mx fee. If their union was so great they wouldnt need to force fees.

If brains were dynamite you wouldn't have enough to blow your nose!
You talk about running and hiding...Who's the one hiding behind an anonomyous internet web board spewing all their mindless drivel? You went to work for a carrier that happens to have a closed shop! Deal with it or quit! Nobody forced you to go there! Now get back to working on your f/a skills!
737

 

[CaptainMark]

since your wife makes more money than u do..i bet you hear "who's your daddy" a lot....steak and lobster in a CONDO...hahahahahaha...what a joke u r....you have no idea what the good life is....i am still laughing while typing this....u keep bragging about combined income of 95/yr...that is sad!....u r the ultimate loser...and the entire flightinfo board knows it...

 

[Bringupthebird]

If i am going to have to pay fees I might as well pay the dues and retain my voting rights.

That doesn't sound like a man of principle. Either you are in a union, with the expectation that you will support the union, or you quit the union. Anything else is being a traitor to the rest of the membership who assumes that you are a member out of choice, which you are. The Agency Shop provision requires that you pay an Agency Fee to be a non-member and remain employed. That's the rules.

So you want to retain your right to be a traitor and vote in opposition to the will of the pilots? What else are you reserving the right to vote on? A strike? If you quit the union, you are under no obligation to honor a picket line. But as a non-member you retain the right to representation and grievance processing.

No, I'd say for you, quitting the union would be a win-win.