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ALPA Wins Court Reinstatement of Pilot Terminated for Following FAA Rules on Rest Requirements
WASHINGTON, D.C.---A U.S. District Court has ordered Pan American Airways to reinstate with back pay a pilot whom it had terminated for refusing to violate FAA rules that mandate minimum rest requirements.
The ruling ends nearly two years of legal wrangling by the Portsmouth, New Hampshire-based airline to avoid reinstatement of the terminated pilot despite repeated rulings against it in grievance and court proceedings brought by the Air Line Pilots Association, which represents the pilot.
The dispute began on Jan. 3, 2001 when Pan Am management immediately terminated Capt. Don Simonds for refusing to take an assigned flight upon his belief that the assignment would cause him to violate a Federal Aviation Regulation (FAR 121.471(b), the "16-hour rule"), as interpreted by the FAA’s "Whitlow letter."
Because Capt. Simonds did not specifically claim to be fatigued – which is irrelevant to compliance with this rule – and because Pan Am disputed the FAA’s interpretation of the 16-hour rule set forth in the FAA’s November 20, 2000 "Whitlow letter," management claimed that Capt. Simonds was insubordinate for not following the company’s orders and the "fly now, grieve later" principle.
FAA rules require that before starting a flying assignment, a pilot must be able to determine that when he finishes that flight, he will have received eight hours rest in the previous 24 hours. The "Whitlow letter" refers to an interpretation issued by the FAA stating that the end of the 24-hour cycle must be calculated using the expected arrival time based on the flight segment as calculated at that moment ("actual time"). The industry had claimed that the arrival time should be the time as originally scheduled. The problem is that delays, a frequent occurrence in airline operations, could extend the pilot’s work time well past the originally scheduled arrival time, which means that when he finishes the last flight segment, he may not have gotten the required eight hours rest in the preceding 24 hours.
ALPA filed a grievance on Simonds’ behalf and the System Board awarded reinstatement with full back pay, finding Pan Am had no just cause to discharge Simonds.


hope u never get tired!!!!
 
D'Angelo said:
And why havent you answered my questions sir. Your perpetuating his campaign of fear lies and anger. So tell me why should unions be allowed to force people to pay dues or mx. fees?

Were you at Comair doing the strike? I bet if you were you didn't think twice about cashing those checks we sent ya to pay your bills and feed your family while you were out of work!
 
Boy it sure must be fun living your life in fear and paranoia thinking everyone is out to get you Mark ol Buddy. As far as the drug test goes you can get your own lawyer to see what happened. If there was neglience in the specimen sampling you will either get your job back or file lawsuit. If you file suit you will really be sitting pretty. If the company tries to force you to violate rest rules you simply call the FAA. The FAA doesnt take kindly to that and will glady help you get your job back. Unions love using fear tactics to make everyone think they are helpless without them.
 
the worst day in my life is better than the best day in yours..i guarantee that!!! i just know i am getting something for my money...fedex alpa has a disability plan that is 2nd to none...we are the only one that has it...and we have a little job protection...also a b-fund..those 3 things i pay for in my eyes....you have none of them...wait..u do pay dues...same old garbage out of your big mouth..and you still can't answer the questions...

such a hippacrit!!!

enjoy that little condo of yours...
 
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D'Angelo said:
As far as the drug test goes you can get your own lawyer to see what happened.

Yeah. And you can see what kind of bill he sends you. I bet it's a helluva lot more than that 2% you seem so worried about. But oh yeah, he didn't FORCE it on you.:laugh:
 
yeah...how will u afford the lawyer on your 20/hr wage....wait u r an ALPA member....u r such a bottom feeder....
 
CaptainMark said:
yeah...how will u afford the lawyer on your 20/hr wage....wait u r an ALPA member....u r such a bottom feeder....

More examples of lies. Have you looked up the comair pay scale? I am on 3rd year nearing 4th year pay. How bout you look it up for yourself. Unlike you I do not need money to reassure myself that everything is alright. BTW have you fools heard of prepaid legal? I bet not. You dont want people to realize you truly dont need the union. I pay the dues because I am forced to pay a mx fee so I might as well be able to vote on the issues. ALPO is too cowardly to make it an open shop with no required fees. They are hiding I wonder from what. Yes yo u can call the FAA if the company harasses you for following the FARs, they like to hear bout these things.

More example of your ANGER FEAR AND LIES agenda. Sorry im not buying it one bit. I know the entire world isnt out to get me. Maybe you need some help if your that paranoid. With the combined income me and the lady make near 5 figures. You just dont want to believe that someone does just fine on that type of salary. You need constant reassurance that you can show off your bling bling and many houses. Guess what people dont care. I assure you I am much happier in my life than you are. Just look at how angry you get about things and how you always have to reassure everyone that you make more money. I wonder what your compensating for.
 
flx757 said:
Yeah. And you can see what kind of bill he sends you. I bet it's a helluva lot more than that 2% you seem so worried about. But oh yeah, he didn't FORCE it on you.:laugh:

Ever heard of prepaid legal? Another example of union lies. Its a cheap alternative and gets you a lawyer in an emergency.
 
"Cheap" being the operative word here. When I need an attorney (or physican, etc...), "cheap" is not the way I want to go. But hey...it's your money, it's your life.

You're gonna think what you're gonna think, and so am I. What you say has no bearing on anyone but yourself...just as what I think has no bearing on anyone but me. If you would only realize this and do what you need to do for yourself and leave everyone else to their own devices. I don't want, and especially don't need, your input to live my life and make my choices. Nor does anyone else on this board. Believe it. Everyone gets on just fine in their lives without you, your ideas, your opinions and your anger. Keep it to yourself. I sure am not trying to push any of my beliefs on you.

So..with that, I'm outta here. Nothing else to see or say here.
 
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D'Angelo said:
Ever heard of prepaid legal? Another example of union lies. Its a cheap alternative and gets you a lawyer in an emergency.

Yeah, good luck on one of the pre-paid legal setups knowing something about aviation.
 
d'angelo is a fool....he is not the first or last..he will learn his lesson..he thinks he is smarter than all the airline pilots before him and all of us...he is just a simple fool...and i never get angry..i laugh at you along with all the others......what is there to be angry about...life is great...i am glad u enjoy your little life in your little condo...u have reached the pinnacle($35/hr..ouch)...bottomfeeder!!!!!
 
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John Pennekamp said:
You are well within your rights under ALPA's Constitution to resign your membership and stop paying dues. But under Fedaral Law (The Railway Labor Act), you may have to pay "Association Fees", according to your contract. If you don't like that, go whine to your US Senator, not us! (and be sure to demand the issue be put to a national vote).

Put your money where your mouth is... go ahead and resign from ALPA then scan the papersa in here for us to see.

I'm betting you're all talk.

D'Angelo, I'm still waiting for your response... talk, talk talk, no action.
 
SkyNation said:
so we get the same result without giving up 2%. color it however you want, but SkyWest has been, is, and will continue to be a desirable place to work. Otherwise, no one would come here, OR, they'd leave here for the 'golden palaces' of unionized airlines, using it as a stepping stone. this happens rarely, if ever, unless it's to a major.

Your SAPA still are putzes and sold you out agreeing to a 50-99 seat common pay scale for CA's and FO's! Sorry my friend but that feature isn't part of the golden halo you say SKW has. If you had a real MEC they wouldn't never even considered that large of a "TEMPORARY" common pay scale.

I met a fellow AWAC FO who had been fired from SKW for not responding to a RSV callout. He'd been mugged in the ORDland area on the bus and they stole his cellphone too. Domicile manage and CP didn't believe him. Now that's treating your employees right!
 
John Pennekamp said:
D'Angelo, I'm still waiting for your response... talk, talk talk, no action.

Im first waiting for ALPO to "grow a set" and waive the association fee. They are too cowardly to do so. ALso they should be letting ALL employees vote. if they are willing to do this I would be delighted to give up my membership.
 
Every member of this site should thank D'Angelo for his posts. They are always spot-on and contain the truth. There are many here that don't agree with him but that's their problem for ignoring the truth and reality of the industry.
 
Cincinnati, Ohio (May 16, 2006) – In a dramatic development in a protracted legal battle by a group of nonunion firefighters against International Association of Firefighters (IAFF) union officials, U.S. District Court Judge Walter Herbert Rice has issued a renewed temporary restraining order against the union and city officials to block the seizure of forced union dues from their paychecks.
The ruling stems from a complaint filed in U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Ohio by five local members of the Cincinnati African-American Firefighters Association. The firefighters have had ongoing disputes with the union hierarchy, including charges of discrimination that allege racist treatment of minority firefighters by union officials. The decision, handed down this week, notes that the nonunion firefighters – receiving free legal assistance from National Right to Work Foundation attorneys – are likely to win their case on the merits, and that the court will likely protect the constitutional rights of all of the approximately 100 nonunion firefighters in Cincinnati.
The firefighters alleged that IAFF Local 48 union officials acted in concert with the City of Cincinnati and seized compulsory union dues from nonmembers without first providing an adequate independent audit of the union’s expenditures and subjected workers challenging the fee to unlawful appeal procedures. The complaint, filed in summer 2004, also named then-Cincinnati Mayor Charlie Luken, among other top City officials, for signing the agreement with the union and enforcing the unconstitutional fee seizures.
The firefighters’ suit points out that IAFF Local 48 union officials intentionally seized the forced union dues without first providing the financial disclosure and procedures required by the Foundation-won U.S. Supreme Court Chicago Teachers Union v. Hudson ruling. Under Hudson, before collecting any forced dues, union officials must provide an audited disclosure of the union’s expenses. Such audits are intended to ensure that forced union dues seized from nonunion public employees do not fund union activities unrelated to collective bargaining.
After City and union officials renewed their contract again authorizing the unlawful forced union dues seizures without providing adequate notice and procedures, Foundation attorneys filed a renewed request for a temporary restraining order, prompting the Court to grant a restraining order in November 2005. And in the latest ruling, Judge Rice concluded that the new contract still lacks adequate procedures to protect nonmembers’ rights.
“IAFF union officials continue to trample the basic constitutional rights of the very firefighters whose interests they claim to represent,” said Stefan Gleason, Vice President of the National Right to Work Foundation. “So long as Ohio’s workers labor under a system of forced unionism, such abuses will inevitably continue."
The National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation is a nonprofit, charitable organization providing free legal aid to employees whose human or civil rights have been violated by compulsory unionism abuses. The Foundation, which can be contacted toll-free at 1-800-336-3600, is assisting over 250,000 employees in over 200 cases nationwide.

Sorry Mark unions are just as corrupt as management is. Their lust for power and greed is truly unending.
 
Illegally Fired Pilot Seeks More Than $500,000 From Union

Union Officials Violated Pilot's Constitutional Rights, Federal Law
FOR RELEASE: May 19, 1997


DENVER, Colo.-- In a trial starting this morning, the U.S. District Court for Colorado will determine the amount of damages that the Airline Pilots Association (ALPA) union and United Airlines must pay to former airline pilot Captain John L. Lancaster after union officials had him fired in July 1993. Captain Lancaster was fired for refusing to pay a strike assessment to the union, even though he had chosen not to join the union.
National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation attorneys, who are representing Captain Lancaster, appealed his case to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit, which declared that forcing employees who choose to refrain from union membership to pay the special assessment violated the Railway Labor Act and deprived them of their rights under the Constitution. The Court of Appeals remanded the case to the district court for a trial to determine how much the ALPA union and United must pay in damages. United reinstated Captain Lancaster in August of 1996.
"The vengeful attitude of ALPA's union bosses who trashed Captain Lancaster's career is reprehensible," stated Stefan Gleason, Director of Legal Information for the Foundation. "But Foundation attorneys have been working with Captain Lancaster since 1993 to force the union bosses to pay for their outrageous conduct."
The case arose when ALPA union officials demanded that several hundred pilots who refrained from union membership pay a mandatory assessment to support striking Eastern Airline pilots. The Eastern pilots walked off the job to show solidarity with the already-striking Machinists union. The ALPA union chiefs then threatened to have United Airlines pilots fired if they did not tender the unlawful assessment. Even after Captain Lancaster tendered the unlawful assessment, the union rejected his offer and prevailed on United Airlines to fire him.
"The ALPA union officials singled out Captain Lancaster and ruined his career just to make an example of him," said Gleason. "Now the federal district court will decide what penalty they should pay for maliciously causing an experienced, able pilot to be unemployed for three years," he added. The National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation is a nonprofit, charitable organization providing free legal aid to employees whose human or civil rights have been violated by compulsory unionism abuses. The Foundation, which can be reached toll-free at 1-800-336-3600, is assisting thousands of employees in over 400 cases nationwide.
 
you better stop searching the web for bullcrap articles of management propanganda and get a second job...that huge salary of 35/hr will not cut it in NY...your kids are starving...i can get u a higher paying job here in mem being a cartboy at my C.C.....
 
WSurf said:
Were you at Comair doing the strike? I bet if you were you didn't think twice about cashing those checks we sent ya to pay your bills and feed your family while you were out of work!

In the unlikely event that it actually is a pilot, Comair didn't have any scabs so I'd guess that the answer would be "no."
 
D'Angelo said:
With the combined income me and the lady make near 5 figures. You just dont want to believe that someone does just fine on that type of salary.

So you're living the dream on less than $10,000 a year?
 
CaptainMark said:
you better stop searching the web for bullcrap articles of management propanganda and get a second job...that huge salary of 35/hr will not cut it in NY...your kids are starving...i can get u a higher paying job here in mem being a cartboy at my C.C.....

ha! more examples of lies. First of all I have no kids and second of all me and the lady eat quite well thank you. Lobster steak whatever our fancy is really. Boy you union guys must be trained well like a dog. Your trained to lie through your teeth to do anything you can to keep the union "Dream" alive.
My articles come from a non profit organization dedicated to keeping the good fight alive. The end of union garbage and forced unionism. Trust me the fight is gaining steam! HOLLA You still havent answered the articles. So are you saying unions are pure and uncorrupt? The fact is they are just as greedy and power hungry as you make management out to be. In the end unions are just that, another buisness.
 
DrewBlows said:
So you're living the dream on less than $10,000 a year?

my bad meant near 6 figures however a simple typo. Definately living the dream on a combined income of approx 95k/yr. People are in denial though. I guess we are all supposed to be at the poverty level unless we make at least over 100k/year by ourselves.
 
CaptainMark said:
now u r getting it...broke'angelo...

Mark must live in fantasy land. He is a byproduct of rampant, out of control union greed. Always remember greed is the downfall of man and great companies. Good thing the "old school" will be retiring sometime in the next 10-20 years. We can get all that hardcore union garbage out of this buisness and back into the mafia where it belongs. Now you may feel free to remind us what a superior life you have to everyone and how its impossible for anyone that makes less than you to be happy. I still have left over money every month after nice meals, all the bills and retirement funds are taken care of. I never have to worry where anything is coming from. Sorry to spoil your union LIES mark. Im far from broke.
 
D'Angelo said:
Im first waiting for ALPO to "grow a set" and waive the association fee. They are too cowardly to do so. ALso they should be letting ALL employees vote. if they are willing to do this I would be delighted to give up my membership.

That was a total cop out. YOU need to grow a set and not set conditions that you know will prevent you from having to take action. Either set a precedebt by resigning or quit whining about something you're FREELY ACCEPTING. You are CHOOSING to remain part of ALPA! YOU ARE ALL TALK!
 
D'Angelo said:
I guess we are all supposed to be at the poverty level unless we make at least over 100k/year by ourselves.

You are the only person I have ever met who doesn't want to make more money. Were you dropped on your head as a child?
 
Well done D' angelhoe. You have shown us all that you are in fact not a pilot and most likely a scumbag lawyer or management puke. You may have just barely rolled over the 50.75% of the weak minded Comair Pilots and now you think you are quite the man. Sorry to burst your bubble but everybody is wiseing up to the fact that management has gone to far and is abuseing the bankruptcy laws. The federal BK judges are in total agreement with this so go crawl back under your rock now dipsh1t.

Maybe it's time for another screen name to promote your drivel.

HS
 

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