Dear D'angelo:

[D'Angelo]

Ability to swim and intelligence don't go hand in hand.


AF

It appears you will be voting for ALPO at skywest. If you do get the 50%+1 that you need its gonna be a helluva lot harder to get rid of them when your unhappy with them. I must warn you this however. Be very careful of what you sign. I believe all they need is 50%+1 cards to be signed and they can be brought onto property. Could be wrong just remember you also have the right to change your mind and tell the union beat it.

 

[five-alive]

so we get the same result without giving up 2%. color it however you want, but SkyWest has been, is, and will continue to be a desirable place to work. Otherwise, no one would come here, OR, they'd leave here for the 'golden palaces' of unionized airlines, using it as a stepping stone. this happens rarely, if ever, unless it's to a major. hell, even the loudest union flag wavers are leaving here for JetBlue-a non-ALPA airline!!!!!!!! we do get a ton of guys jump from ALPA ships to come here, however. hmmmmmmmm

As does xjet and other alpa carriers get tons of guys from non-union carriers.

They dont leave to flee the union, they want to live near Skywest bases and other commutability issues

As for the Skywest to Jetblue jump, what is so hard to figure out? You say yes to the first one that asks you to the dance. A choice between working for a non-union regional, or a non-union major.....its a no-brainer.

 

[EMB Skillz]

It appears you will be voting for ALPO at skywest. If you do get the 50%+1 that you need its gonna be a helluva lot harder to get rid of them when your unhappy with them. I must warn you this however. Be very careful of what you sign. I believe all they need is 50%+1 cards to be signed and they can be brought onto property. Could be wrong just remember you also have the right to change your mind and tell the union beat it.

SPY! Do not spread your anti-union propaganda here! All dissidents will be labeled as SCABS!

Your dues money will help shape many minds through the printing of magazines!

JOIN ALPA!

 

[D'Angelo]

One busted checkride, huh? Let me tell you a little story.

Guy goes in for a 135 6 month ride. Everything is going well, the next (and last) approach is a LOC to circling mins, then circle for landing in the opposite direction. He flys the approach just fine, circles, and begins his decent for landing abeam the numbers on the runway for landing. OOPS! According to the CP, he just busted the ride (the CP was an EAL Scab, by the way). But wait, says the pilot. I can decend with the runway in sight and in a normal position to make a landing. And C310's don't come down that fast. Guy gets fired, to make a long story short. CP badmouths him to pospective employers, saying he can't fly worth a dang.

Why a union? To help prevent things like this. Or the person who pull a bad EKG on a medical, because the machine malfunctioned.

Do unions get gredy sometimes? You bet! Do they do a disservice? Sometimes. But look at history. Unions built this country. And did it while helping to provide practical work rules and livable salaries.

You site JetBlue and SkyWest. Let me tell you something. If JetBlue begins to abuse their employees, they will have a union on the property FAST. SkyWest? Look at their history. Everytime they begin to rumble about bringing a union on the property, they (management) just matches what the nearest contract offers. But without any union shops out there, they would pay as little as they could, and abuse their employees as much as some little non-union 135 operator. Think about that with all of your 'Airline Experience' before you condemn what you obviously do not understand.

Peace

Rekks

PS. The guy in the story above does exist, I know him well. And the bust was his only one in nearly 20 years i this business.

Perhaps it could have happened I dunno. I know not all of the circumstances surrounding the gentlemans demise. One thing people forget to mention is how many unions priced their employee groups out of jobs. Just look at how many jobs have been outsourced because unions got too greedy. They refused to meet in the middle and paid the ultimate price. I personally know of no one at a 121 airline who has had this happen to them. Also as far as the EKG goes if it truly was malfunctional then you go back when able and get re tested. You may miss a bit of work but most companies offer some type of insurance. Once you realize the EKG was wrong you get back in no problem. The union couldnt do this much faster. If the union is getting faster service than the average line pilot at a non union airline then we need to start asking questions. Who are they bribing? Why is it not equal for all at union or non union airlines? This could absolutely be a way to run their campaign of terror. Striking terror into the hearts of all who dare suggest they are capable of doing things without a union.

 

[007]

oh dont be saying that now!! you wouldnt dare say that non union airlines are just as well off as union airlines are would you? Why that would be called blasphemy. Who knows maybe all dissenters will end up "out of commission" some how due to union thug tactics. I say keep up the good fight skywest. Youve done a fantastic job making your voices heard and remaining union free for all these years. It appears the very vocal minority is at it again. Dont let them ruin your company like the union has ruined most regionals. Ruined because ALPO doesnt give 2 $hits about regionals. That so called task force is way too little way too late. Perhaps if they had a regional alpa and a major alpa we would have been better off. ALPA is exactly the one to blame for this mess we are in. They started the every man for himself game now we the people will finish it. Give ALPA hell guys! Keep up the good fight! Throw em to the curb with egg on their faces.

Just curious, since you have strong Anti-union feelings, don't you think you would be happier at Skywest. Serious question. And don't start with that thugs union stuff. I just wanna know why you didn't got there?

 

[D'Angelo]

SPY! Do not spread your anti-union propaganda here! All dissidents will be labeled as SCABS!

Your dues money will help shape many minds through the printing of magazines!

JOIN ALPA!

Don't forget pretty signs and chants that ALPO spends a lot of hours and money on. I wonder how much of our dues they wasted coming up with NOT ONE MORE CENT and FULL PAY TIL THE LAST DAY. They also waste a lot of our money on crayons and graphics programs. I guess with 2% missing every month no one is truly getting full pay til the last day. That magazine also shows lots of neat pictures of pilots walking the streets being led by dr phil himself. Whats not to like about spending all that money every month? Tell you what alpa you let me cancel paying my dues without reprocussion and I will still subscribe to your magazine if i get a discount. I need something to get a fire going every month or in case im on the toilet with no TP and no one can "spare a square"

 

[D'Angelo]

Just curious, since you have strong Anti-union feelings, don't you think you would be happier at Skywest. Serious question. And don't start with that thugs union stuff. I just wanna know why you didn't got there?

I wouldnt have minded going to skywest however comair is who called me first. I also have roots in the east coast. Long island is my home so this allows me to be closer to home. Skywest is all west cost I believe for the most part. I wouldnt mind moving out west however I dont want to keep switching airlines. You make your choice better or worse and do whatever you can to keep the good fight going. I chose comair, if I jumped to skywest I have to start all over again. If they fail their next union drive however and things do start to go downhill here maybe I will consider it. For now im here at comair better or worse. Senority is the name of the game.

 

[EMB Skillz]

Be careful what you say, flx757 will report you to the moderators! SPY!

 

[flx757]

Be careful what you say, flx757 will report you to the moderators! SPY!

:laugh:

 

[D'Angelo]

Be careful what you say, flx757 will report you to the moderators! SPY!

hahaha thanks for the heads up man. Hey do you need any picket signs or old ALPO magazines? Summer is upon us and I know lots of people like to make bonfires. Let me know if you need some materials. Those materials are full of enough hot air to nearly spontaneously combust.

 

[DrewBlows]

I personally know of no one at a 121 airline who has had this happen to them.

I know a guy at your airline whose job was threatened by a chief pilot for not answering his phone while NOT on duty. The union stepped in and he was able to keep his job. He was completely within the bounds of the contract, company rules, and FAA regulation but was still threatened. It happens, you are either ignorent or naive.

I'm guessing you grew up in a family that hates unions, perhaps your father was a small business owner and had a bad experience with unions. I see people like you all the time that can't grasp that a union may be in your best interest. In our case (since we work at the same company) I believe that having a union is in our best interest.

Non-union employees in union dominated professions benefit from unions as well. Except on rare occasions, an employer is not going to spend more than the absolute mimimum on employees. If unions had never negotiated desirable work rules, compansation, and benefits, non-union positions would not get them either.

 

[D'Angelo]

Only problem is if open skies is ever allowed and unions try to price us right out of the market. Luckily for now it is not allowed but some day it very well could be and that would be the beginning of outsourcing our jobs. Just like union greed has lead to many jobs that people in the US once held to jobs being outsourced. Basically the unions tried to hold companies hostage so they said fine screw off then and showed them they can do it without the union labor. A sad but unfortunate reality.

 

[Troy208]

Wow..Can't believe it D' .Three pages just for you with no end in sight. Your popularity seems to be rivaling the ol' General Lee.

 

[D'Angelo]

Wow..Can't believe it D' .Three pages just for you with no end in sight. Your popularity seems to be rivaling the ol' General Lee.

Nice avatar. So what side of the fence do you sit on? Also while were at it what union or pilot group annoys you most?

 

[Troy208]

Nice avatar. So what side of the fence do you sit on? Also while were at it what union or pilot group annoys you most?

I have never worked for a non unionized CFR 121 airline, therefore I will not speak of, make non factual comments, or make judgements of other non union carriers.



I enjoy for the most part the debates and differences of opinions posted on the forums. However, if we continue to berate and bash our aviation brethren, to encourage pilot group against pilot group, then in my humble opinion there's only one victor.......Management.


Cheers

 

[flx757]

However, if we continue to berate and bash our aviation brethren, to encourage pilot group against pilot group, then in my humble opinion there's only one victor.......Management.


Cheers

I believe sir, that you have just hit on the main motivation of D'Angelo and his posts.

 

[D'Angelo]

I believe sir, that you have just hit on the main motivation of D'Angelo and his posts.

So whats your suggestion everyone think the same, chant the same, act the same? Maybe we can all have crayola coloring sessions to make some cool new signs. We can also call the super duper magazine the holy bible and anyone who dares doubt it will surely be punished. Im sure thats exactly what you want.

 

[flx757]

If you get all that from my post then it is YOU with the one track mind. But, that's obvious to everyone here anyway. So...go ahead and champion your cause. You just make yourself look more ridiculous with every post. Kind of like the management you represent.:laugh:

See ya. I'm off to more productive endeavors.

 

[Troy208]

So whats your suggestion everyone think the same, chant the same, act the same? Maybe we can all have crayola coloring sessions to make some cool new signs. We can also call the super duper magazine the holy bible and anyone who dares doubt it will surely be punished. Im sure thats exactly what you want.

Huh???

If you get all that from my post then it is YOU with the one track mind. But, that's obvious to everyone here anyway. So...go ahead and champion your cause. You just make yourself look more ridiculous with every post. Kind of like the management you represent.:laugh:

See ya. I'm off to more productive endeavors.

Sums it up nicely.

Nuff said..........This thread is done......

Cheers

 

[Going2Baja]

As outspoken is D' is I'm sure he has to be known at his company as a union-hater. Is every day at work a hard one for you? You say you have a CRJ 'Rating.' Does this mean you are a Capt? If so I have to apologize on behalf of the entire aviation community to your f/o's for having to listen to your nonsense each and every day!

I agree that it would be nice to not have to need Union protection - but in this world and Universe, management plays hard and we as pilots have to play harder! As stated before SKYW would go Union if SGU started to use the same tactics as other airlines.

What a trip - I can't even believe that I'm wasting time typing to your cause. Enjoy your RJ - it's the only a/c you'll every fly if you take your anti-union crap to a union interview,

Baja

 

[D'Angelo]

As outspoken is D' is I'm sure he has to be known at his company as a union-hater. Is every day at work a hard one for you? You say you have a CRJ 'Rating.' Does this mean you are a Capt? If so I have to apologize on behalf of the entire aviation community to your f/o's for having to listen to your nonsense each and every day!

I agree that it would be nice to not have to need Union protection - but in this world and Universe, management plays hard and we as pilots have to play harder! As stated before SKYW would go Union if SGU started to use the same tactics as other airlines.

What a trip - I can't even believe that I'm wasting time typing to your cause. Enjoy your RJ - it's the only a/c you'll every fly if you take your anti-union crap to a union interview,

Baja

im not shy about my opinion and everyone elses voices will be heard. The angry unions will either have to drop the anger bit or move out the way. No one has ever asked me about my feelings on unions in an interview. Quite frankly its none of their buisness. If they dont bring it up I wont bring it up.

 

[Bringupthebird]

I personally know of no one at a 121 airline who has had this happen to them.

Well if you haven't heard about it, it obvioously hasn'e happened. Why do you suppose this sort of thing hasn't been more prevalent? What's preventing it?

Also as far as the EKG goes if it truly was malfunctional then you go back when able and get re tested.

Not if you're summarily fired for losing your credentials and missing work.

You may miss a bit of work but most companies offer some type of insurance.

Really? Why would they do that? Did you demand insurance or you wouldn't fly at your current job? Do you suppose it was negotiated by somebody?

Once you realize the EKG was wrong you get back in no problem.

Not if your former position is filled. You might get re-hired as a new-hire.

Suppose you could have gone into your airline interview and negotiated your own pay independent of the rest of the pilots. Based solely on your qualifications alone, do you think you could have gotten more out of them than they ultimately offered you? Why?

 

[CaptainMark]

A New York 767ER First Officer had been fired and stripped of his pilot certificates after being accused of "substituting" his random urine sample. The drug test happened in July 1999 and ALPA immediately began work on the pilot's behalf. We chose to first pursue an Administrative Hearing, rather than the System Board, because the former allowed us to subpoena and depose information. Unfortunately, this process, offered to all pilots losing their license, takes awhile to complete. Eventually, ALPA's "discovery" leading to a hearing before an Administrative Law Judge of the NTSB, uncovered "egregious" behavior by the lab Delta management chose to analyze our urine samples. The bottom-line was that Lab One could only approximate findings, falsified maintenance records on testing equipment, ignored government directives, and promoted personnel in key positions holding bogus academic credentials.


Alpo got him his job back and certificates...another example for dorkangelo to ponder...hope all your tests are accurate!

 

[CaptainMark]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]O[/FONT]n July 6, a jury determined Lab-One acted negligently in its testing of Ishikawa when it said her 1999 drug test sample had been altered. All the while Yasuko insisted she never used drugs and did not alter her sample. Delta did not believe this loyal and honest flight attendant and fired her.
The Department of Health and Human Services found Lab One did not follow government standards for validity testing, based on evidence provided by ALPA and testimony from AFA. ALPA recognized the seriousness of this situation and used their resources to uncover information that questioned the science of the validity test. Yasuko was among 82 others whose test results were thrown out. Delta finally offered to reinstate the flight attendants who were wrongly fired and Yasuko has been back on the job since June 1.

i guess your "be honest" though goes right out the window...
alpo to the rescue for a non-member flight attendant...

d'angelo..you're are way out of touch with this industry..your immaturity shows

 

[paid4training]

No, you have only proven that you are an idiot. If you didn't have a union at CMR you would be making about 10/hour right now as an FO, then I'd like to see how much of a wet dream you'd be for the HR department. Amazing how you can benefit from what the unions do for you, all the while berating them and calling the people that have fought so hard for what you enjoy stupid.

The Union protects its members from managements morronic discisions and "who cares they are just a number" thinking, take it from someone who has worked for an airline but not part of union. Before I started to learn about this business I was somewhat against Unions and was nieve to think companies would never take advantage of you and I have since changed my outlook. As long as a Union does not hold a company for ransom and demand things that don't make overall economic sense, I think every employee of an airline should have a Union. I support them and believe they can help QOL for employees if a Union has good leadership and a sound strategy.

Just my.02

 

[paid4training]

Mark:
You're assuming this idiot will ever make it as a captain. His first busted ride he'll be knocking down the unions door because of unfair treatment, and unfortunately the union will have to defend this worthless prick!
737

No he's got the EOC for that one!!!

 

[John Pennekamp]

Angry? Ha hardly. You wanna talk angry take a look at your pilot group boi. They look like they are about to have a coronary. I am quite happy and content with my position and wages even after the pay cut. I simply will not stand for unionism and just accept it. You want the union fine just dont make me pay any part of it.

You are well within your rights under ALPA's Constitution to resign your membership and stop paying dues. But under Fedaral Law (The Railway Labor Act), you may have to pay "Association Fees", according to your contract. If you don't like that, go whine to your US Senator, not us! (and be sure to demand the issue be put to a national vote).

Put your money where your mouth is... go ahead and resign from ALPA then scan the papersa in here for us to see.

I'm betting you're all talk.

 

[John Pennekamp]

It appears you will be voting for ALPO at skywest. If you do get the 50%+1 that you need its gonna be a helluva lot harder to get rid of them when your unhappy with them. I must warn you this however. Be very careful of what you sign. I believe all they need is 50%+1 cards to be signed and they can be brought onto property. Could be wrong just remember you also have the right to change your mind and tell the union beat it.

You're wrong! Imagine that!

 

[uba757]

Why Do You Guys Waist Your Time Responding To This Idiot? If Everyone Here Would Just Block Him Then He Will Have To Just Go Away. Please For The Love Of Christ Just Ignore This Idiot !!!!!!!
Uba757

 

[John Pennekamp]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]O[/FONT]n July 6, a jury determined Lab-One acted negligently in its testing of Ishikawa when it said her 1999 drug test sample had been altered. All the while Yasuko insisted she never used drugs and did not alter her sample. Delta did not believe this loyal and honest flight attendant and fired her.
The Department of Health and Human Services found Lab One did not follow government standards for validity testing, based on evidence provided by ALPA and testimony from AFA. ALPA recognized the seriousness of this situation and used their resources to uncover information that questioned the science of the validity test. Yasuko was among 82 others whose test results were thrown out. Delta finally offered to reinstate the flight attendants who were wrongly fired and Yasuko has been back on the job since June 1.

i guess your "be honest" though goes right out the window...
alpo to the rescue for a non-member flight attendant...

d'angelo..you're are way out of touch with this industry..your immaturity shows

Mark, you failed to mention that she was the head of the last unionization drive at Delta. When it failed, she and all of her cronies "just happened" to get randomly tested and were fired. Yes, the unions got all of their jobs back, and heads rolled at the GO. The FAA was not impressed.