DCI to lose 4000 hours by Spring

[PCL_128]

If true... Anderson strikes again!

Anderson didn't take NWA into bankruptcy. He left prior to the filing, and Lorenzo's golden-child Steenland took the company into bankruptcy.

 

[SkyNation]

Delta plans to cut the number of DCI carriers in half.

ASA-not going anywhere

Big Sky-?

Chautauqua-I doubt it

Comair-smaller maybe, but still part of DCI

ExpressJet-I'd put them in the potential group

Freedom-also potential

Pinnacle-I'd guess no

Shuttle America-maybe

SkyWest-I'd guess no


so just guessing, I only see 3 possibly going. Was he saying that is what 'needs' to happen or what WILL happen?

 

[TOOL CRIB]

Guys, 4000 block hours really isnt that much if you think about it. I;m assuming it means 4000 hrs/month. If one a/c flies avg 7-8 hours a day, that's about 220-240 hrs/month. That's approx 17 a/c worth of flying. As stated before, Comair is losing some CRJ-100s and CHQ is dropping their EMB-135s eventually. I am willing to bet that will be it. Probably some reduced flying for everybody else but I doubt ASA or SKYW will actually park planes.

 

[wmuflyguy]

What happened to the blurb in the last concessionary novation that stated Comair had to maintain 90% of it's current fleet as of the date of signing? Does the loss of these airplanes still honor that stipulation?

It is 90% of current fleet except for aircraft that the leases expire on. The leases on these 8 aircraft have reached the end of their terms and won't be renewed.

 

[wms]

ASA lost over 2000 hours from the summer to fall schedules.

 

[boknowsASA]

ASA-not going anywhere

Big Sky-?

Chautauqua-I doubt it

Comair-smaller maybe, but still part of DCI

ExpressJet-I'd put them in the potential group

Freedom-also potential

Pinnacle-I'd guess no

Shuttle America-maybe

SkyWest-I'd guess no


so just guessing, I only see 3 possibly going. Was he saying that is what 'needs' to happen or what WILL happen?

Just my guess

Big Sky- gone --------------Comair- Stay

Chautauqua- ---------------Pinnacle- stay for now.

ExpressJet- ----------------SkyWest- Stay

Freedom- ------------------ASA- stay

Shuttle America-


Of the other four one will stay which one I dont know

 

[Minimaniac]

ASA-not going anywhere

Big Sky-?

Chautauqua-I doubt it

Comair-smaller maybe, but still part of DCI

ExpressJet-I'd put them in the potential group

Freedom-also potential

Pinnacle-I'd guess no

Shuttle America-maybe

SkyWest-I'd guess no


so just guessing, I only see 3 possibly going. Was he saying that is what 'needs' to happen or what WILL happen?

Pretty accurate guess, though I would alter it to say:

Big Sky: Gone. Brought on only to help prevent US Airways takeover by showing too much overlap in Boston markets.

Comair: Only 8 aircraft smaller

CHQ: 15 aircraft scheduled to be removed from service in 2008 already... that accounts for a huge part of 4000 hours. The 145's are likely to stay

Shuttle America: New large RJ aircraft just ordered, so they are going to stay around for a while, even through another bankruptcy.

Xjet: Despite the good product and reduced rates, they are too new and fly too few aircraft to justify a permanent place in the smaller family

Lastly: Big talk is what management is for. In the end, far fewer hours will be cut and we will see more of a realignment of fleets. Delta will trim the fat, but they aren't going to cut any meat off the steak.

 

[Striptyler]

Big sky is serving EAS routes... doubt they'd just "be gone" unless you expect cape air to cover and buy out the bids...
Colgan isn't going to take the bigsky lines, and i doubt commute air would bid. Nobod seems to want the 1900's anymore

 

[General Lee]

Pretty accurate guess, though I would alter it to say:

Big Sky: Gone. Brought on only to help prevent US Airways takeover by showing too much overlap in Boston markets.

Comair: Only 8 aircraft smaller

CHQ: 15 aircraft scheduled to be removed from service in 2008 already... that accounts for a huge part of 4000 hours. The 145's are likely to stay

Shuttle America: New large RJ aircraft just ordered, so they are going to stay around for a while, even through another bankruptcy.

Xjet: Despite the good product and reduced rates, they are too new and fly too few aircraft to justify a permanent place in the smaller family

Lastly: Big talk is what management is for. In the end, far fewer hours will be cut and we will see more of a realignment of fleets. Delta will trim the fat, but they aren't going to cut any meat off the steak.

When are you guys going BK? If the Comair president said anything about Delta possibly going BK in the future, it was probably because we have too many RJs. That is why we are cutting back on 4000 block hours, to start with. Anderson hinted in his townhall meeting that we have too many and we need to build up mainline domestically. (he stated we will get 9 MD90s and 7 737-700s next year, besides the 4 777LRs) We have less debt than any other Legacy, and we are profitable for the year. A small operating loss MAY occur this quarter, but that is it. You need to educate yourself before making such statements. And, your E170s are being replaced one for one with E175s. United, who really is having problems (noted in the press) is getting the ex Delta E170s, and if they go away you will have major problems.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[wms]

Big sky is serving EAS routes... doubt they'd just "be gone" unless you expect cape air to cover and buy out the bids...
Colgan isn't going to take the bigsky lines, and i doubt commute air would bid. Nobod seems to want the 1900's anymore

ASA has pulled out of a few EAS routes. It just takes a 90 day notice.

 

[10nCLR]

It is 90% of current fleet except for aircraft that the leases expire on. The leases on these 8 aircraft have reached the end of their terms and won't be renewed.

Well, I guess SkyWest will get another batch of junky Comair a/c for their possible MidWest Connect expansion.

 

[V-1]

I think the average maturity of posters on this board is about age nine.

Many years ago, this used to be a quality place to get information...then the idiots arrived.

 

[Socalplt]

Rumor has it 4 Delta CRJ200s at SkyWest will be used for Midwest flying next year. I think there's an equal number of 900s coming to replace them however.

 

[Max Powers]

Guys, 4000 block hours really isnt that much if you think about it. I;m assuming it means 4000 hrs/month. If one a/c flies avg 7-8 hours a day, that's about 220-240 hrs/month. That's approx 17 a/c worth of flying. As stated before, Comair is losing some CRJ-100s and CHQ is dropping their EMB-135s eventually. I am willing to bet that will be it. Probably some reduced flying for everybody else but I doubt ASA or SKYW will actually park planes.

Probably true but I think it just may be the beginning of the pain with more to come.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I believe that the BK thing was stated at CMR, as being possible. It was stated in the same breath as being spun off from DAL. Look at where the new BK thing was posted. It was left vague, but look at the context of the statement. It had to do with CMR, doom and gloom along the lines of DAL getting rid of them.
DAL would merge/be sold before another BK filing. There is not much left for them to get out of filing again. You really cannot restructure this debt any better than they already have. If DAL to file, it would be six months before the doors would be closed. Both of those things are a long way off.

 

[Minimaniac]

When are you guys going BK? If the Comair president said anything about Delta possibly going BK in the future, it was probably because we have too many RJs. That is why we are cutting back on 4000 block hours, to start with. Anderson hinted in his townhall meeting that we have too many and we need to build up mainline domestically. (he stated we will get 9 MD90s and 7 737-700s next year, besides the 4 777LRs) We have less debt than any other Legacy, and we are profitable for the year. A small operating loss MAY occur this quarter, but that is it. You need to educate yourself before making such statements. And, your E170s are being replaced one for one with E175s. United, who really is having problems (noted in the press) is getting the ex Delta E170s, and if they go away you will have major problems.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Delta's relatively better financial position does not insulate it from the financial realities affecting everyone. USAirways may begin to falter at $98/barrel oil, and United may do so at $105/barrel oil, but Delta has a breaking point only a few dollars per barrel above that. You are foolish to think that relative position equates to any absolute success. It doesn't matter if you are in row 1 or row 25 when your plane hits a mountain.

Bankruptcy is not a far-fetched proposition for even Delta. It is a tool for restructuring. Restructuring may be necessary for any or all of employers if the dollar does not gain strength. Delta can do everything right, but if the dollar continues to weaken oil can continue to rocket up through 100, 110 and even 120 dollars a barrel without any disruption to supply. Pay attention, oh wise one. The skies are darkening for everyone.

I was not referring to a growth in aircraft fleet size for Shuttle America's delta operation, but rather citing that Delta has shown a recent continued interest in Shuttle America by asking them to purchase larger aircraft. Politics aside, a newer, larger aircraft at the request of Delta would seem to indicate that Delta has found a purpose and niche for those aircraft and the associated regional supplier.

There is no security for airline employees. Yes, my company could lose a codeshare, and yes that would be disruptive and potentially crippling. Yes, Delta can go back into bankruptcy. Yes, economic policy can cripple our industry and cause a major shift in the landscape. What I fail to see is why you think you are somehow above all of this.

 

[Minimaniac]

I believe that the BK thing was stated at CMR, as being possible. It was stated in the same breath as being spun off from DAL. Look at where the new BK thing was posted. It was left vague, but look at the context of the statement. It had to do with CMR, doom and gloom along the lines of DAL getting rid of them.
DAL would merge/be sold before another BK filing. There is not much left for them to get out of filing again. You really cannot restructure this debt any better than they already have. If DAL to file, it would be six months before the doors would be closed. Both of those things are a long way off.

The possibility of a Delta bankruptcy has been discussed at other carriers as well. Our CEO has worked with a number of DCI carriers to predict the financial viability of Delta (and all of the legacy carriers who we depend on, for that matter), and worked to calculate the financial breaking points of all the partners. I believe Delta had a $115/barrel break even point, which could be lower given certain realistic conditions. Regional airlines are concerned. Delta had the highest oil price tolerance of anyone, but the overall decline in the dollar makes that 115 figure dangerously close.

Sorry I cannot recite the details verbatim, but this came directly from our CEO, and I was party to this information.

 

[contrail67]

These are merger plans...bet on it. Trimming down to merge.

 

[www.]

Sorry I cannot recite the details verbatim, but this came directly from our CEO, and I was party to this information.

And I have never ever heard a CEO speak anything but the truth, so help me god.

Where would you like to start the list from.

Martha Stewart,
Frank Lorenzo,
Dennis Kozlowski,
Bernie Ebbers,
Kenneth Lay
and Johnny Boy from Mesa

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I think that you will see the first merger in the first quarter of 08. Probably DAL and NWA.